Re: Re: SCD for CD w/constipation?/Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila:

I know it happens when my son has yeast and when he doesn't that he does get

constipated, sometimes when he has a BM it looks like a little hard meatball and

I see a little blood on one of the hard meatball feces. Is this from pushing to

hard from being constipated or is it something else? What can I give him to

help with the constipation, I do increase milk thistle, Vit C and Magnesium but

sometimes it doesn't help, any thoughts?

Thanks

Jeanne

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Hi

<< Thanks for your reply. No, I did not notice symptom improvement

the first time I was on the diet. The constipation, in particular,

> worsened. I suspect I have a candida problem in addition to

Crohn's Disease, because I don't tolerate fruit unless I eat it

blended first thing in the morning in a smoothie. >>

It is not uncommon to have constipation problems with yeast

overgrowth.

> I can have small amounts of

> honey, but nothing the amounts in the muffins and other SCD baked

> goods. That's why I had such trouble with this diet...

Do you have any other symptoms of yeast: thrush (white spots in

mouth/white coating on tongue), itchy anus, " rolling " gas in the

intestines, cravings for sweet foods (legal or illegal cravings).

You may find the file " Yeast and SCD " helpful. It is located at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

<< I can't digest meat (other than chicken) and nuts, fruit and dairy

cause gas and bloating, and many high fiber and sulfurous vegetables

(leafy greens, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, onion, etc) cause

cramping and pain. >>

Many of these are what we call 'advanced foods' - that are known to

cause GI problems if you aren't healed sufficiently to digest them.

If you eat any food you aren't ready for you'll likely experience

diarrhea/constipation, gas etc..

Constipation may be caused by the yeast fermenting the food you are

unable to digest. As the yeast go through their life cycle since you

aren't able to digest the foods they multiply more than they should

and you end up with yeast overgrowth. Their metabolites, (by-

products) irritate the GI tract and you end up with constipation. I

went through this about a year and a half ago (ended up in the ER

with a blockage). If you stick with foods that your body can digest

and starve out the harmful bacteria and yeast to acheive a better

balance of good microflora you'll likely alleviate your

constipation. At the beginning you'll have to stick to easy to

digest foods. This means peeled and cooked vegetables and fruits,

along with whichever meats you are able to digest. As you heal you

slowly add in more complex foods. It is pretty important to go slow

enough that you'll be able to determine if you aren't ready yet for a

specific food. You'll find more info on this/ and constipation:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

Go to the " Knowledge Base " and then to

1. " Constipation " and

2. " Constipation continued "

Did you start with the intro and then gradually add foods in?

If not that may help. It will give you a baseline to " jump off "

from. The intro is in BTVC (p69, 10th edition), also at

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/the_intro_diet

2.htm

a dairy free version at http://pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#intro

You'd probably only need 2-3 days on the intro since you suffer with

constipation.

After the intro and you are ready to add more complex foods you may

find this chart helpful:

http://pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond

> So what's left to eat for a guy whose normal weight is 185 and who

> currently weighs 170? I need about 2500 calories just to maintain

my

> current weight... a meal of chicken and zucchini is about 300

> calories. Would have to eat 8 of those meals in a day to prevent

> further weight loss! So this is my dilemma. Perhaps the SCD is

not

> right for me.

I was recently in your shoes 15 pounds underweight. It took a while

to stabilize my symptoms and the weight loss before I started to put

the weight back on. I had to redo the intro and when the bowels

finally settled down I added in good oils, lots of food (whatever I

tolerated) between meals and then I slowly re-introduced yogurt made

from 10%mf cream. It's taken about 1 month to put 10-12 of the

pounds back on.

Sheila, SCD Feb, UC 22yrs

mom of and

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila:

I'm saying once in a great while he'll get constipated, but doesn't have

yeast. But he does get constipated when he does have yeast and I don't know

whether it's the Nystatin that makes him constipated.

Jeanne

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Hi Jeanne,

I'm not sure what you mean: Do you mean that your son isn't

constipated when he doesn't have yeast? What happens to his bm's

when he has yeast?

Sheila, SCD Feb, UC 22yrs

mom of and

<< I know it happens when my son has yeast and when he doesn't that

he does get constipated

.... sometimes when he has a BM it looks like a little hard meatball

and I see a little blood on one of the hard meatball feces. Is this

from pushing to hard from being constipated or is it something else?

What can I give him to help with the constipation, I do increase milk

thistle, Vit C and Magnesium but sometimes it doesn't help, any

thoughts? >>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your help Sheila

Sheila Trenholm wrote: Hi Jeanne,

<< I'm saying once in a great while he'll get constipated, but doesn't

have yeast. But he does get constipated when he does have yeast and I

don't know whether it's the Nystatin that makes him constipated. >>

When he has yeast they can contribute to the constipation - from the

release of their metabolites during their natural life cycle. If you

are treating with Nystatin this can get worse especially when starting

it because so many of the yeast are dying you are flooding the body

with their metabolites (by-products). Epsom salt treatments (baths,

creams etc..) and/or activated charcoal may help remove the metabolites

which are toxins.

<<... sometimes when he has a BM it looks like a little hard meatball

> and I see a little blood on one of the hard meatball feces. Is this

from pushing to hard from being constipated or is it something else? >>

It may be from straining, it may be from irritation of the bowel wall

(irritated by the metabolites).

<< What can I give him to help with the constipation, I do increase

milk thistle, Vit C and Magnesium but sometimes it doesn't help, any

> thoughts? >>

What is he eating at those times?

Milk thistle isn't tecnically illegal or legal. On Lyris, Elaine

wrote " I cannot say it is illegal because it just might hasten up the

process of detoxification of the liver. If you have been using it and

there has been no diarrhea and you can see results, then use it. "

Have you tried the constipation protocol at the main site:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

When he is yeasty and constipated you'd probably want to stay with the

nut goods (ansd less of the prune mix) to see if that helped move

things. Some have said the electrolyte mix at

http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html (Drinks section) got things moving.

Sheila, SCD Feb, UC 22yrs

mom of and

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com