Re: Intro Diet questions and my story - please help!

[Guest guest]

If she was eating all kinds of illegals.... green bananas, etc.... then she

really did not do SCD properly. Yes, she should go back and do the intro diet

and begin with all easy-to-digest foods.... peeled and cooked fruits and

veggies.

I am concerned about this statement you made:

<<She is feeling totally zapped since the diet deprives you of all carbs and

she has no energy>>

SCD does NOT deprive you of all carbs..... on the contrary, there are plenty of

good carbohydrates included on this diet. If she is not eating any carbs, she is

not doing SCD correctly. Some good carbs for beginners are.... ripe bananas,

cooked carrots, cooked yellow squashes, cooked pears and apples, etc, etc.

If she is feeling really awful and low-energy, yes... it *could* be due to

die-off. Die-off would not normally last for two whole months, though it can go

on for a few weeks, if there was really an imbalance of bad bacteria in the gut.

Is she taking epsom salts baths? Activated charcoal supplements? Those can help

with detoxing from die-off.

We would need to know exactly what she's eating (including any supplements) and

how it's prepared to help her further.

Patti

Intro Diet questions and my story - please help!

Hi all

please allow me to share my story real quickly since I am new to this

group. I am not on the diet and I dont have IBD, but my girlfriend is

on the SCD for her crohns that she's had for 20 years. she is on the

Long Island listserve and I thought I'd join this group for my own

support network.

she's done the diet for 2 years now, but never did the intro, and

jumped right in to almost all foods, without peeling veggies, seeding

veggies, and she ate " green " bananas - lots of illegal things. She

quit the green bananas about 2 months ago, and she's been having a

flare for nearly 2 months now. we're not sure if its a flare, or just

die-off. is a 2 month die-off period too long? She's very scared and

is now doing the Intro Diet for 3 days, which she never did. She is

feeling totally zapped since the diet deprives you of all carbs and

she has no energy.

So my questions are:

1-is this normal to have die off for 2 months after 2 years on the

diet or should she be worried about her health? she thinks its bad

news and might need to take more serious measures and

2-is the intro diet really that zapping? She just feels awful and can

barely leave the house

thanks - i look forward to meeting some of you and hearing your input

and your stories too.

cheers

tim

[Guest guest]

She is

> feeling totally zapped since the diet deprives you of all carbs and

> she has no energy.

>

> So my questions are:

> 1-is this normal to have die off for 2 months after 2 years on the

> diet or should she be worried about her health? she thinks its bad

> news and might need to take more serious measures and

>

> 2-is the intro diet really that zapping? She just feels awful and can

> barely leave the house

>

> thanks - i look forward to meeting some of you and hearing your input

> and your stories too.

>

> cheers

> tim

>

This is NOT a low carb diet. It is about consuming the type of carbohydrates

that are easy

to digest. I think your friend should be getting answers on the LI List or

should join here

and not get info via a 3rd party even though you are well meaning in being

supportive.

There are many days when my carb intake is higher percentage than protein or

fat. Please

have her submit her food journal for three days in a row as it sounds like she

is not

following the diet proprerly. Starting off with the green bananas was a mistake

and she

may be making others. durint he past two years. We will do our best to help her

follow the

diet cxorrectly.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

I can't answer your question about the two month die off. I can tell you that

what she is feeling right now while doing intro very likely could be severe die

off. Yes, many people are completely floored when first starting SCD...which I

would say is what she is doing since you've already acknowledged that she didn't

implement it properly to begin with. Many experience vomitting, complete

exhaustion, flu like symptoms, ect.

Meleah

Intro Diet questions and my story - please help!

Hi all

please allow me to share my story real quickly since I am new to this

group. I am not on the diet and I dont have IBD, but my girlfriend is

on the SCD for her crohns that she's had for 20 years. she is on the

Long Island listserve and I thought I'd join this group for my own

support network.

she's done the diet for 2 years now, but never did the intro, and

jumped right in to almost all foods, without peeling veggies, seeding

veggies, and she ate " green " bananas - lots of illegal things. She

quit the green bananas about 2 months ago, and she's been having a

flare for nearly 2 months now. we're not sure if its a flare, or just

die-off. is a 2 month die-off period too long? She's very scared and

is now doing the Intro Diet for 3 days, which she never did. She is

feeling totally zapped since the diet deprives you of all carbs and

she has no energy.

So my questions are:

1-is this normal to have die off for 2 months after 2 years on the

diet or should she be worried about her health? she thinks its bad

news and might need to take more serious measures and

2-is the intro diet really that zapping? She just feels awful and can

barely leave the house

thanks - i look forward to meeting some of you and hearing your input

and your stories too.

cheers

tim

[Guest guest]

thanks everyone! I want to clarify that we totally

understand this isnt a low carb diet. I meant that

the Intro part of the diet is somewhat low carb since

she's only eating the gelatin w/ a bit of pineapple

juice for carbs and a bit of carrots. She has a very

good understanding of the diet as she has support from

various sources (people, LI, books, phone support).

She did make the green banana mistake, as well as

never doing the Intro diet, however!

But what we're truly looking for is why there would be

2 months of significant symptoms after being on the

diet for 2 years already. Would the green bananas

have that much of an effect? Hopefully starting over

w/ the Intro diet and following the ramp up to a " T "

will help her out.

The other concerning thing is that she has suffered

from serious fatique and is generally worn out at the

end of most days. She hasnt been able to hold a job

because that stress and activity would make her feel

awful, low energy, dizzy. Is this normal that after 2

years on the diet she'd still feel so zapped and tired

out?

Here are the foods she eats on a normal day:

b-fast:

soft boiled eggs

Dry Curd Cottage Cheese and homemade Yogurt and Banana

zucchini and yellow pepper sauteed (not peeled)

almond flour nut muffin

lunch:

Turkey burger

spagetti squash and acorn squash

DCCC/Yogurt/Banana

Dinner:

some kind of meat (chicken, beef, fish)

broccoli, green beans

spagetti and acorn squash

DCCC/yogurt/Banana

almond flour nut muffin

Snacks (2 per day)

almond butter

apple

walnuts

Thanks all

Tim

--- robin wrote:

> I can't answer your question about the two month die

> off. I can tell you that what she is feeling right

> now while doing intro very likely could be severe

> die off. Yes, many people are completely floored

> when first starting SCD...which I would say is what

> she is doing since you've already acknowledged that

> she didn't implement it properly to begin with.

> Many experience vomitting, complete exhaustion, flu

> like symptoms, ect.

> Meleah

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tim,

I'd like to start by saying I thinking it is fantastic what you are

doing this for your girlfriend - this kind of support is

immeasurable

<<But what we're truly looking for is why there would be

> 2 months of significant symptoms after being on the

> diet for 2 years already. Would the green bananas

> have that much of an effect? >>

Unfortunately yes, having illegals even if they are only green

bananas can have that much of an effect. Sometimes what will happen

is that the easiest to kill microbes die off first and what you are

left with are the strongest nastiest microbes.

<< Hopefully starting over

> w/ the Intro diet and following the ramp up to a " T " will help her

out. >>

Absolutely!

<< The other concerning thing is that she has suffered

> from serious fatique and is generally worn out at the

> end of most days. She hasnt been able to hold a job

> because that stress and activity would make her feel

> awful, low energy, dizzy. Is this normal that after 2

> years on the diet she'd still feel so zapped and tired

> out? >>

What kind of bowel symptoms does she suffer from? Is she having a

lot of diarrhea? Bloody stools constipation? Number of

bm's/day/week? Any other symptoms you can think of (rashes etc..)

Your answers to these questions will help us guide the answers we

give you.

Is she taking any meds for the Crohn's? Any supplements?

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and