mark...thanks

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You know now that you mentioned that ...I think that it is the

trazodone because when they were giving her just the pain medication

she wasn't out of it. And we did tell the dr. that we think the

med.s were too much and he said he didn't think so. But as soon as

he put her on the antidepressant and the anxiety pill she started

acting this way. And she really hasn't said much about the pain

unless she presses in the pancreas area and she said its still

tender .Other than the surgery pain and i think that is getting

better and better. Do you think that maybe I shouldn't give her the

trazodone and see if that helps any ?? I honestly think that the

antidepressant and the anxiety pill can go . She told the dr. that

she didn't think she was depressed but he said he thought she was

hiding it from herself. She doesn't cry all the time .She does get

frustrated when she gets her attacks so frequently because she can't

do the things she wants.But she seems to be a happy young lady when

she isn't bothered with all this. She does get her feelings hurt

easily but she always did since she was a small child. She told the

dr. that it makes her sad when the drs. don't believe her when she

tells them that she hurts so bad. Or if the drs. think she just

wants the drug.Because she has never had anyone accuse her of

that.She is probably the straightest person in our town! Which we

had drs. do both of those things. Up until now ..They seem to

believe us now. Her pancreas dr. thinks she needs to deal with the

pain but she doesn't know how because she feels that she does deal

with the pain to a certain extent.But that is why he sent her to a

physiciatrist and pain management .The physiciatrist put her on

these 2 meds. The pain management dr. is doin the celiac nerve block

to see if that will help. Which I cross my fingers on! The surgeon

that went in on her last surgery said it was clearly that she was

having several bouts of pancreatitis. And it was still swollen. But

her dr. that put her stent in said he didn't think her pancreas is

acting up this time. I don't know who to believe anymore . If her

pancreas isn't acting up then why would it be swollen and hurting so

bad in that area.Her pancreas dr. wants to blame it on endometriosis

but her gyn that did that surgery last wed. said that it was minimal

and she removed it all. and she and another surgeon said it is the

pancreas dealing all the problems.so who do I believe . My daughter

doesn't seem to have a lot of pain right now but I don't know if it

is being masked right now with the meds. Thanks for replying to my

questions this sight is the only thing that is keeping my sanity.

thanks again deedee

[Guest guest]

Do you remember what her tryglyceride levels were? Even slightly elevated

tryglycerides can cause your pancreas to flare up.....My tryglycerides were in

the 300's and would cause my pancreas to flare up more often than

not...something to consider anyway......Very easy to lower them with a lipid

lowering drug.

Visceral Manipulation has its origins in osteopathy. When a person's well-being

and functioning are compromised by such events as physical injury, disease, or

infection and psychological trauma such as severe stress, the body is shocked

into responsive processes that produce deep tensions in the connective tissue

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tensions and by gentle, non-invasive physical therapy to unlock the body's

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within the fluidity of the connective tissue system. Each organ rotates on a

internal physiological axis. Any disruption of this axis of movement can result

in deep structural changes within the person's individual biomechanics,

affecting the nervous system and putting pressure on various functions causing

painful symptoms.

Our biography really does become our biology. Our history is stored in our

body tissues, and nothing is forgotten. A new injury can wake up old tension

patterns in the body that can be causative in the development of painful

symptoms. Often we seek treatment for symptoms, overlooking the need to treat

the more subtle aspects of the injury. Visceral manipulation works with the

subtle effects of trauma/stress to help maximize, or restore health and provides

unique benefits that regular stretching and localized muscle therapy does not

offer.

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body. It is based on the specific placement of soft manual forces to encourage

the normal mobility, tone and motion of the viscera and their connective

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integrity of the entire body. This work dissipates the negative effects of

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Unique Benefits in the treatment of:

Chronic Pain

Fractures or Broken Bones

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Sensory changes, tingling, numbness, nerve pain, sciatica, spinal cord

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Migraines, Headaches

Post Partum Conditions and Difficult Deliveries

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Unique Benefits in providing assistance with childhood conditions such as:

Birth Trauma (Moms can benefit too)

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Seizure Activity

Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity

Poor Sleep Patterns

Learning Disabilities

Digestive Difficulties and Colic

What is TENS?

Your doctor or physiotherapist may have recommended a TENS machine for

your pain.

TENS is battery-powered unit which sends electrical impulses through

electrodes placed on or near the painful site. This causes a tingling sensation

that reduces pain, even pain that hasn't responded to other treatments. Usually

though, TENS is used with other treatments prescribed by your doctor, and may

help reduce the amount of pain killers required.

One theory on how TENS works is that it blocks pain in the spinal cord.

Another is that stimulation with TENS causes natural pain relieving substances

to be released, thereby reducing pain.

Will TENS help my Pain?

In clinical trials, TENS has been shown to be an effective and safe method

for the treatment of acute and chronic pain.

Some conditions for which TENS may help include:

a.. Chronic Pain: Neck and Back pain, Headache, migraine, Arthritis,

Post-herpetic neuralgia, Sciatica, Lumbago

b.. Acute Pain: Childbirth, Post-operative pain, Fractures, Tennis

elbow, Muscular Strains

Are there any side-effects?

Unlike drugs, TENS does not cause nausea, drowsiness, limited activity,

personality changes or addiction. TENS may sometimes cause skin irritation or

redness. Usually this disappears quickly or can be prevented by using

alternative gels or electrodes.

Contraindications

Except in the case of certain individuals using pacemakers, there are no

known contraindications for TENS. The use of a TENS with a pacemaker may prevent

the pacemaker from working. If you have a pacemaker, you must get a clearance

from your consultant cardiologist that it is O.K. for you to use a TENS machine.

Precautions:

1. TENS devices should be used with caution where the cause of the pain

has not been established.

2. TENS stimulation is of no curative value. That is, TENS does not do

anything to the underlying cause of the pain.

3. Treatment outcome (with TENS ) will be influenced by the cause of the

pain, the patient's psychological state and use of medication.

4. TENS should be kept out of the reach of children.

5. Electrical stimulation over the carotid sinus, i.e. anywhere over the

front of the neck, may be hazardous.

6. The safety of TENS during pregnancy has not been established.

How do I get a TENS?

All you need is a referral from your doctor or physiotherapist. It is

important to seek professional advice from your doctor or physiotherapist, you

may have a medical condition causing your pain best treated another way.

I know that massage therapy and accupuncture have worked for some people

on this group. Nothing works for everyone across the board...it is a trial and

error type of things. I think she should be back on her enzymes.

Enzyme Replacement: Oral intake of exocrine pancreatic enzymes are of key

importance in the treatment of mal-digestion in chronic pancreatitis with

pancreatic insufficiency. It has been studied for the therapeutic effectiveness

of a conventional and an acid-protected enzyme preparation, and an acid-stable

fungal enzyme preparation in the treatment of severe pancreatogenic steatorrhea.

The results showed that a supplemental enzyme preparation is best for patients

with chronic pancreatitis and those who underwent Whipple's procedure (a

surgical procedure performed on pancreatic cancer patients), while patients with

an intact upper gastrointestinal tract fare best with an acid-protected porcine

pancreatic enzyme preparation.

Pancreatin is secreted from the pancreas and provides potent

concentrations of the digestive enzymes protease, amylase, and lipase.

Pancreatin is sold as a drug to treat those with pancreatic insufficiency.

Pancreatin efficacy was demonstrated in a study conducted on patients who took

pancreatin to maintain postoperative digestion. The effects of supplementation

were determined by measuring the postoperative intestinal absorption and

nutritional status in a randomized trial with patients receiving pancreatin or

placebo. Before the trial, patients showed abnormal digestion of fats and

protein, and total energy was low at baseline and 3 weeks after surgery.

Pancreatin supplementation improved fat and protein absorption as well as

improving nitrogen balance. However, those patients taking a placebo had

worsened absorption after the surgery. The data suggest that long-term

postoperative pancreatic enzyme supplementation is both efficacious and

necessary in surgery patients who suffered from pancreatitis.

Nutrition

As explained, low levels of antioxidants in the blood may make an

individual more prone to develop pancreatitis; at the same time, someone who

already has pancreatitis is more likely to develop deficiencies of the following

nutrients:

a.. Magnesium - particularly in the case of chronic alcoholism

b.. Methionine

c.. Selenium

d.. Vitamin A

e.. Vitamin C

f.. Vitamin E

Some studies do suggest that taking these nutrients mentioned,

particularly the latter five each of which has antioxidant properties, can

reduce the pain from which people with pancreatitis suffer and recover more

readily from the condition. Other potentially valuable supplements to take

include:

a.. Vitamin B12; levels may be low with pancreatitis; works best

in this case if given by injection.

b.. Soybeans; extracts of soybeans known as polyunsaturated

phosphatidylcholines (PCs) work as antioxidants and have demonstrated prevention

of damage to the pancreas in animal studies.

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Herbs

a.. Emblica officinalis (Indian gooseberry) is a traditional

Ayurvedic medicinal plant used to treat pancreatic disorders. It is the richest

natural source of vitamin C. Animal studies further suggest that this herb can

be used to prevent development of pancreatitis.

Individual case reports suggest that traditional Chinese medicines

are effective for the prevention and treatment of pancreatitis including the

following which are also used commonly as both Western and Ayurvedic treatments

of gastrointestinal disorders:

a.. Licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra)

b.. Ginger root (Zingiber officinale)

c.. Asian ginseng (Panax ginseng),

d.. Peony root(Paeonia officinalis)

e.. Cinnamon Chinese bark (Cinnamomum verum)

Animal studies further suggest the value of using these herbs in

combination along with the following herbs:

a.. Bupleurum (Bupleri falcatum L)

b.. Pinelliae tuber (Pinelliae ternata)

c.. Chinese skullcap (Scutellariae baicalensis)

d.. Jujube (Zizyphi jujuba)

To determine the regimen for each individual, it is best to see a

skilled herbalist or licensed and certified practitioner of traditional Chinese

medicine, particularly because these herbs often work best in combination

Also Deedee..Please check out my website at www.top5plus5.com Many

of these topics are covered on that site...

I hope this finds you and yours well

Mark