question again, please help!

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to insist in my question, but I didn't receive any answers, so I'm

going to try once again.

My daughter had a well formed stool and after that she went back to the same

stools she has had for the last 2 years (she's 3), very soft, sandy and smelly.

I thought she was finally showing improvement in that matter... I've been

waiting for that to happen after 5 weeks in the diet. Anyway, my question is if

the soft stools are still die-off or what do they mean? The only new thing I'm

using is coconut oil and only to fry her foo. She still has a very limited menu

mostly chicken, ground beef, carrots, green beans, bananas, eggs, bacon and some

times bread made with nut butter. Occasionaly she eats pork rinds as a snack.

She's still having 1/4 tsp of goat yogurt per day.

Her behavior is very variable and I think there must be something she's eating

that is not quite right for her. Today I noticed also that the dark cicles

around her eyes returned. What else should I do?. am I doing something wrong?

Please help!!

Ximena

[Guest guest]

Ximena,

I actually thought I answered your post previously. If not, I apologise.

If you think the coconut oil may be causing the problem, please pull it out and

see if things improve.

I can tell you one thing that really pops out to me...... and that's the pork

rinds. I'm really sorry that these were ever listed as legal. I have never seen

an SCD child do well who was eating pork rinds. I always advise parents to pull

them out completely. They should be considered junk food! To ME, they are

illegal.... or at least they should be. PLEASE pull them! After a child has

been on SCD for quite a long time, and is doing VERY well, then I might suggest

they could get away with a few pork rinds on occasion. Hopefully, rarely.

Also.... bacon is not a food for beginners, in my opinion. I think if she has

only been on the diet 5 weeks and is not doing well, you should consider pulling

it.

Why are bananas the only fruit she is eating? Can she not have pears, apples,

peaches, mango?

What about butternut squash? Have you tried it at all? I find that most kids do

very well on it in the beginning.

Some children actually do not do well on carrots.... are you sure she is

tolerating them?

Is she taking any supplements at all?

These are just the few things that I see from this message. Please respond if I

have misinterpreted something.... or if you can give more information.

Patti

question again, please help!

I'm sorry to insist in my question, but I didn't receive any answers, so I'm

going to try once again.

My daughter had a well formed stool and after that she went back to the same

stools she has had for the last 2 years (she's 3), very soft, sandy and smelly.

I thought she was finally showing improvement in that matter... I've been

waiting for that to happen after 5 weeks in the diet. Anyway, my question is if

the soft stools are still die-off or what do they mean? The only new thing I'm

using is coconut oil and only to fry her foo. She still has a very limited menu

mostly chicken, ground beef, carrots, green beans, bananas, eggs, bacon and some

times bread made with nut butter. Occasionaly she eats pork rinds as a snack.

She's still having 1/4 tsp of goat yogurt per day.

Her behavior is very variable and I think there must be something she's eating

that is not quite right for her. Today I noticed also that the dark cicles

around her eyes returned. What else should I do?. am I doing something wrong?

Please help!!

Ximena

[Guest guest]

Cooked oil was something we were not successful with until about a

year on the diet.

No cooked oil is good and will even cause reaction now (5 years

later). We keep it only for special events like birthdays,

celebrations, etc. (Just because its 'legal' doesn't mean it's always

okay to use.)

Coconut is also a fairly advanced food.

Steam stuff with water instead.

Kind regards,

KimS (SCD 2003-2004)

>

> I'm sorry to insist in my question, but I didn't receive any

answers, so I'm going to try once again.

> My daughter had a well formed stool and after that she went back

to the same stools she has had for the last 2 years (she's 3), very

soft, sandy and smelly. I thought she was finally showing improvement

in that matter... I've been waiting for that to happen after 5 weeks

in the diet. Anyway, my question is if the soft stools are still

die-off or what do they mean? The only new thing I'm using is coconut

oil and only to fry her foo. She still has a very limited menu mostly

chicken, ground beef, carrots, green beans, bananas, eggs, bacon and

some times bread made with nut butter. Occasionaly she eats pork rinds

as a snack. She's still having 1/4 tsp of goat yogurt per day.

>

> Her behavior is very variable and I think there must be something

she's eating that is not quite right for her. Today I noticed also

that the dark cicles around her eyes returned. What else should I do?.

am I doing something wrong?

>

> Please help!!

>

> Ximena

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Patti, thank you for your answer.

I'm not giving her coconut oil as an antifungal, i'm just using it to fry the

pancakes, eggs and carrot curls, instead of using butter.

I had NO IDEA about the pork rinds, a friend told me they were just protein

and in the book they appear as legal, but I think a little one shouldn't have to

much of it anyway, so I'm pulling them out.

About the bacon, she enjoys it so much... I was giving it to her 2 or 3 times

a week, very crispy as it is described in the book, but again, if you think she

is not ready, I won't use it anymore.

She is eating bananas without any problem, but she has textures problems, so

she won't eat anything that is soft, she literally hates cooked fruit, so it's

very hard to make her eat any other fruit, If I give her the applesauce or the

pearsauce, she will spit it. Baked fruit won't work either because is also too

soft. Sometimes she eats frozen fruits but she has to be in the " mood " for it.

I tried the butternut squash and she didn't like it. She eats some when I make

the " fries " but won't eat it in any other way.

About the carrots, I notice that her poop is very orange but I haven't seen

any pieces of them and she likes them, I don't know what else to look for to see

if she doesn't tolerate them. I give her very well cooked carrots usually as

part of the chicken soup which she has at least 3 times a week.I forgot to tell

you that she's eating avocado, say, once or twice a week.

She's not having any supplements yet. We just ordered the CLO but haven't get

it yet.

I plan to start the epsom salt baths and the lotion this weekend and the

multivitamins in a couple weeks. She was not dairy free before the diet, do you

think I could give her more goat yogurt, she has had 1/4 tsp per day for the

last 3 weeks.

Another thing is that she seems to be hungry all the time and I don't know

what to give her at snack time. I'm not giving her any bread or cookies or

anything made with nutbutter because I suspect she has trouble digesting that.

She's always been a very good eater and now I have to say NO to everything she

likes, that's what makes this very hard for me, I run out of ideas easily about

the food I should give her specially to take to school.

If I can not give her bacon or pork rinds her menu is even more limited. Do

you thing she's ready for zuccini or other kind of vegetable? Something else I

should try? and about the mango, we are Latinos so we love mango, but I have

never had it cooked. Could I give her just the juice without cooking it?

Thank you sooooooo much for your guidance, I really appreciate your help.

Ximena.

's mom, 3yo, PDD-NOS, SCD since Feb11

Patti wrote:

Ximena,

I actually thought I answered your post previously. If not, I apologise.

If you think the coconut oil may be causing the problem, please pull it out and

see if things improve.

I can tell you one thing that really pops out to me...... and that's the pork

rinds. I'm really sorry that these were ever listed as legal. I have never seen

an SCD child do well who was eating pork rinds. I always advise parents to pull

them out completely. They should be considered junk food! To ME, they are

illegal.... or at least they should be. PLEASE pull them! After a child has been

on SCD for quite a long time, and is doing VERY well, then I might suggest they

could get away with a few pork rinds on occasion. Hopefully, rarely.

Also.... bacon is not a food for beginners, in my opinion. I think if she has

only been on the diet 5 weeks and is not doing well, you should consider pulling

it.

Why are bananas the only fruit she is eating? Can she not have pears, apples,

peaches, mango?

What about butternut squash? Have you tried it at all? I find that most kids do

very well on it in the beginning.

Some children actually do not do well on carrots.... are you sure she is

tolerating them?

Is she taking any supplements at all?

These are just the few things that I see from this message. Please respond if I

have misinterpreted something.... or if you can give more information.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Ximena,

<<I'm not giving her coconut oil as an antifungal, i'm just using it to fry the

pancakes, eggs and carrot curls, instead of using butter.>>

This is okay.... if you're just coating the pan so that pancakes and eggs won't

stick. Frying the carrot curls might make the carrots a bit more difficult to

digest than they would be if they were boiled or steamed or baked until soft.

Do you see what I mean? A small amount of coconut oil should be okay.

<<I had NO IDEA about the pork rinds, a friend told me they were just protein

and in the book they appear as legal, but I think a little one shouldn't have to

much of it anyway, so I'm pulling them out.>>

Pork rinds are basically pure FAT..... deep-fried FAT. They have little

nutritional value and if the book or website say they're legal, then they may be

legal. BUT, in MY book..... I say they oughtta be illegal.... at least for

kids! As I said before, I have never seen a kid who was regularly eating pork

rinds do well on SCD. We once had a parent here on this list who's child

basically wouldn't eat ANYthing but chicken, pears and pork rinds. He ate the

pork rinds every day..... LOTS of them..... and he did very poorly on SCD. They

eventually quit the diet, rather than take away his favorite snack. I tried to

tell her he was self-limiting because the pork rinds were KEEPING him from

healing on the diet, but she just got frustrated and overwhelmed.... and quit.

<<About the bacon, she enjoys it so much... I was giving it to her 2 or 3 times

a week, very crispy as it is described in the book, but again, if you think she

is not ready, I won't use it anymore.>>

Do remember that the book was basically written for adults. If you are using a

sugar free bacon, it might be okay to use it, once she is doing a little better.

But, if this is regular bacon, please note that the book, BTVC, says you can use

crisply fried bacon ONCE a week. The only real way to tell if the bacon is

causing any problem is to remove it..... see how she does.... and if she

improves then you may still not know (if you took out both bacon AND pork

rinds), so you'd have to add it back in and not make ANY other changes at the

same time. Then observe how she does.

<<She is eating bananas without any problem, but she has textures problems, so

she won't eat anything that is soft, she literally hates cooked fruit, so it's

very hard to make her eat any other fruit, If I give her the applesauce or the

pearsauce, she will spit it. Baked fruit won't work either because is also too

soft. Sometimes she eats frozen fruits but she has to be in the " mood " for it.

>>

How about popsicles? You can freeze cooked, pureed fruit in popsicle molds.

<<I tried the butternut squash and she didn't like it. She eats some when I make

the " fries " but won't eat it in any other way.>>

Have you tried the " Squash Buttons " recipe? Sort of like a cross between a very

small muffin and a soft cookie. Sort of bread-like.

<<About the carrots, I notice that her poop is very orange but I haven't seen

any pieces of them and she likes them, I don't know what else to look for to see

if she doesn't tolerate them. I give her very well cooked carrots usually as

part of the chicken soup which she has at least 3 times a week>>

I think they're probably okay.

<<I forgot to tell you that she's eating avocado, say, once or twice a week. >>

I like avocado for kids.... as long as it's really nice and ripe.

<<She was not dairy free before the diet, do you think I could give her more

goat yogurt, she has had 1/4 tsp per day for the last 3 weeks. >>

Yes, you can increase the dose. I would double it. Wait a week... then double it

again. See how she does.

<<Another thing is that she seems to be hungry all the time and I don't know

what to give her at snack time. I'm not giving her any bread or cookies or

anything made with nutbutter because I suspect she has trouble digesting that.

>>

HUNGRY ALL THE TIME is very, very common in the beginning. Try the squash

buttons for a snack.

<<I have to say NO to everything she likes, that's what makes this very hard for

me,>>

We need to print up bumper stickers and T-shirts with this sentence on them.

Every mother here would buy one. We all know how you feel. This should get

better with time. As she heals, she will begin to accept more and more new

foods. I will not be surprised if you see a " magical turnaround " in this child

after you take out the pork rinds.

<<Do you thing she's ready for zuccini or other kind of vegetable?>>

Yes, absolutely..... zucchini, green beans, spinich, asparagus.

<<and about the mango, we are Latinos so we love mango, but I have never had it

cooked. Could I give her just the juice without cooking it?>>

If you juice the mango in a home-juicer that strains out all the pulp, you won't

need to cook it first. Do remember to dilute half and half with water. Try

cooking it and see how that goes..... maybe try freezing small cooked pieces. I

know she may not like that, as you said.

Patti