Re: vitamin c, behavior reply, thanks, Patti

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Ther-biotic Complete is not SCD-legal. It contains

polysaccharides (inulin), so that could be the

problem.

--- dorothy smith wrote:

> Probiotics: We were giving our son Kirkman's

> lactobacillis acidophilus in capsules and did switch

> recently to Klaire Labs Ther-biotic complete powder.

> We've slowly increased his dosage from 1/4 t. per

> day to 1/2 t. daily. Do probiotics have a

> sleeplessness effect?

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Dorothy,

I found the comment that Tamaro sent to me about magnesium citrate.

Now, keep in mind that this is in the context of the whole vitamin K protocol,

which she has outlined on her Vitamin K list as a way of getting rid of oxalate

crystals in kids with autism. Briefly, her approach is based on her research

that led her to believe that all these kids have excess calcium.... floating

around in the body unmanaged. Their body's are unable to put the calcium into

the bones and teeth where it belongs because, believes, their levels

of the fat soluable vitamins A, D & K are deficient. That leaves the individual

with a real problem, as calcium can be very irritating to the brain, and causes

other problems in the body if it's unmanaged, that I can't even begin to explain

her.... but does a right good job of it in her research paper on

Vitamin K ( http://gutresearch.com/v1.html ).

ANYway, in order to bind the calcium up and resolve the most urgent crisis of

free-floating calcium, says the body will bind the calcium together

with oxalate, into a crystal.... which is then stored wherever.... in the muscle

tissues, in the brain, and in the kidneys in particular, for some reason. They

cause pain and irritation to the surrounding tissues, and it's thought that

these crystals are a big piece of the autism picture... and therefore it's a

good thing to try to get rid of them.... dissolve the crystals (vitamin K does

that... but probiotics do, too.... and magnesium, and probably other things that

I'm not aware of) and get the A, D levels up so that the calcium that's being

pulled out can be " managed " properly and laid back down in the bones and teeth.

You'll have to read more about that in her paper. But, anyway.... here's her

comment on magnesium citrate, which she sent to me after I complained of

insomnia resulting from taking mag citrate right before bed:

<<Yes you should try a different kind of magnesium. The citrate will pull

calcium out of CaOx crystals and then dump it into circulation which could

be making the insommnia worse.>>

Now, to answer one of your other questions, according to , probiotics

CAN cause irritability and sleeplessness.... IF they are acting to dissolve

calcium oxalate crystals, resulting in calcium flooding into the system.

By the way, you do realise that the Klaire Labs Ther-Biotic is not legal on SCD,

right? It has several bifidus strains in it, as well as inulin.

More info on the K protocol at 's list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK/

Patti

vitamin c, behavior reply, thanks, Patti

Thanks for your response, Patti.

Vitamin C: We haven't increased the dose of vitamin C. He's been on between

1500-2000 for a long while.

I hadn't heard the mg citrate could cause sleeplessness in some people. Does

anyone else have sleep issues with mg citrate?

We use magnesium in citrate form for our son's constipation.He was on mg

glycinate. Thanks so much for that information. I'll do some research as well.

Although, our son's been on mg citrate for over 4 weeks and we're just now

seeing the sleeplessness. Wonder if that is it? He'll go to sleep and now sleeps

about 5-6 hours but then all bets for more sleep are usually off.

Probiotics: We were giving our son Kirkman's lactobacillis acidophilus in

capsules and did switch recently to Klaire Labs Ther-biotic complete powder.

We've slowly increased his dosage from 1/4 t. per day to 1/2 t. daily. Do

probiotics have a sleeplessness effect?

We haven't tried the SCD yogurt. Yet.

I really don't think this is (another) die-off. Heck, we're not sure if the

first die-off was really a die-off. About 5-7 days after beginning the diet, our

son came down with a intense cold - green (yuck!) runny nose. For days on end.

Something we haven't seen in him in many, many years. In retrospect, it appeared

like it could have been a die-off in some way.

We've been giving our son epsom salt baths on and off for years. Really

haven't seen any effect in any way from them. But when we was younger, like many

kids, he loved the bath so i thought why not add it and see if there's any

benefit. He recently took a few baths with epsom salts but again, no change

positive or negative.

We're sticking with the diet for some time to come, Just disappointing to

think he had sleep

as a positive effect of the diet and then it turned back around.

I'll search for the magnesium message as well. Thanks again.

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I honestly don't know if the vitamin C could be causing this. Did you increase

that dose recently? Or has he taken the same dose for a long time?

I know that magnesium citrate might be the most helpful form of mag for

helping with constipation, but it may contribute to sleeplessness for some. I

know it does that to me... if I take it before bedtime. Tamaro

actually clued me in that the mag citrate might be the culprit, and suggested I

switch to magnesium glycinate. I will have to go back and search for the message

she sent me, explaining why.... and I'll send it to you off list. The glycinate

form doesn't have the same laxative effect, though.

Are you using probiotics? SCD yogurt?

You *could* just be seeing another round of die-off at this point.... it's

hard to know. Some kids cycle through that numerous times. Sounds like your

instincts are telling you that it's not... so I'm not sure. Did baths with epsom

salts help him before with die-off symptoms?

I will go search for that message on the magnesium.

Patti

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It's the citrate that's probably the culprit. Citrate can pull

calcium out of calcium oxalate crystals, thereby adding to

circulating calcium which can cause insommnia. Caffeine keeps people

awake by influencing calcium balance also. Using another form of

magnesium should help.

>

> Thanks for your response, Patti.

> Vitamin C: We haven't increased the dose of vitamin C. He's been

on between 1500-2000 for a long while.

>

> I hadn't heard the mg citrate could cause sleeplessness in some

people. Does anyone else have sleep issues with mg citrate?

>

> We use magnesium in citrate form for our son's constipation.He

was on mg glycinate. Thanks so much for that information. I'll do

some research as well. Although, our son's been on mg citrate for

over 4 weeks and we're just now seeing the sleeplessness. Wonder if

that is it? He'll go to sleep and now sleeps about 5-6 hours but then

all bets for more sleep are usually off.

>

> Probiotics: We were giving our son Kirkman's lactobacillis

acidophilus in capsules and did switch recently to Klaire Labs Ther-

biotic complete powder. We've slowly increased his dosage from 1/4 t.

per day to 1/2 t. daily. Do probiotics have a sleeplessness effect?

>

> We haven't tried the SCD yogurt. Yet.

>

> I really don't think this is (another) die-off. Heck, we're not

sure if the first die-off was really a die-off. About 5-7 days after

beginning the diet, our son came down with a intense cold - green

(yuck!) runny nose. For days on end. Something we haven't seen in him

in many, many years. In retrospect, it appeared like it could have

been a die-off in some way.

>

> We've been giving our son epsom salt baths on and off for years.

Really haven't seen any effect in any way from them. But when we was

younger, like many kids, he loved the bath so i thought why not add

it and see if there's any benefit. He recently took a few baths with

epsom salts but again, no change positive or negative.

>

> We're sticking with the diet for some time to come, Just

disappointing to think he had sleep

> as a positive effect of the diet and then it turned back around.

>

> I'll search for the magnesium message as well. Thanks again.

> -----------------------------------------------------------

>

>

> I honestly don't know if the vitamin C could be causing this. Did

you increase that dose recently? Or has he taken the same dose for a

long time?

>

> I know that magnesium citrate might be the most helpful form of mag

for helping with constipation, but it may contribute to sleeplessness

for some. I know it does that to me... if I take it before bedtime.

Tamaro actually clued me in that the mag citrate might be

the culprit, and suggested I switch to magnesium glycinate. I will

have to go back and search for the message she sent me, explaining

why.... and I'll send it to you off list. The glycinate form doesn't

have the same laxative effect, though.

>

> Are you using probiotics? SCD yogurt?

>

> You *could* just be seeing another round of die-off at this

point.... it's hard to know. Some kids cycle through that numerous

times. Sounds like your instincts are telling you that it's not... so

I'm not sure. Did baths with epsom salts help him before with die-off

symptoms?

>

> I will go search for that message on the magnesium.

>

> Patti

>

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