Sleep problems

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I personally recommend Valerian.

Art

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>

> what do ppl here with sleep problems on ldn advise? melatonin?

sleep

> meds? this is my 2nd attempt at taking ldn. i had to stop after 2

weeks

> the 1st attempt due to some bad symptoms which i hope i've

resolved. am

> now taking 1/4 dose at 9 pm and last 2 nites have not gone into

deep

> sleep at all even on this dose. i'd like to try it at nite for 2

weeks

> to see if this resolves. even at 1.15 mg it still is noticeably

helping

> the RA. amazing but man i miss sleep. am not a good sleeper to

begin

> with since i got sick. i have adrenal fatigue i know.

>

> thanks

> monique

>

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Good. I am already taking it on occasions. I always have a bottle at home. Vera Velmerig

Cincinnati, Ohio/USAFrom: Art <rtee54@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: sleep problemslow dose naltrexone Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 7:32 PM

I personally recommend Valerian.

Art

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>

> what do ppl here with sleep problems on ldn advise? melatonin?

sleep

> meds? this is my 2nd attempt at taking ldn. i had to stop after 2

weeks

> the 1st attempt due to some bad symptoms which i hope i've

resolved. am

> now taking 1/4 dose at 9 pm and last 2 nites have not gone into

deep

> sleep at all even on this dose. i'd like to try it at nite for 2

weeks

> to see if this resolves. even at 1.15 mg it still is noticeably

helping

> the RA. amazing but man i miss sleep. am not a good sleeper to

begin

> with since i got sick. i have adrenal fatigue i know.

>

> thanks

> monique

>

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Hi ,

I also had sleep issues with taking LDN -- at night....which is why I

switched to day-time dosing. I take my LDN between 8-9am every day

now and I am sleeping just fine now.

I have autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashi's) -- and probably because

thyroid folk have metabolic issues...we just seem to do better with

day time dosing. The MS folk here seem to have a different experience

than us thyroid folk and do better with night-time dosing.

The first 6wks I took LDN at night I became so sleep deprived that I

felt dangerous to drive. In fact I took an adrenal (saliva) test

right at the 6wk mark of LDN night-time dosing. My test results came

back where at every test time (which is 4 times throughout the day) I

was EXTREMELY low in cortisol. So if you already have adrenal fatigue

I know your adrenals must be even worse shape now that you're not

getting the sleep you need.

The day after that first adrenal test, I switched to day-time LDN

dosing and then had my adrenals retested again 6wks later. All my

cortisol levels tested well within normal limits -- probably not

optimal, but certainly NOT anything like they were with the previous

test.

So...I guess you could try LDN day-time dosing and see how you do. ??

I may at some later date try the night-time dosing again...just to

see if it's still a problem for me. I'm doing so well now, I don't

want to mess up a good thing so I'll wait till later on in the year to

try that experiment.

Good luck...

Jann

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Go to www.ldninfo.org the LDN Website

Because of the rhythms of the body's production of master hormones, LDN is best taken between 9pm and 3am. Most patients take it at bedtime.

Notable exceptions:

People who have multiple sclerosis that has led to muscle spasms are advised to use only 3mg daily and to maintain that dosage.

For intial dosage of LDN in those patients who have Hashimoto¢s thyroiditis with hypothyroidism and who are taking thyroid hormone replacement medication, please read Cautionary Warnings, below.

The therapeutic dosage range for LDN is from 1.75mg to 4.5mg every night. Dosages below this range are likely to have no effect at all, and dosages above this range are likely to block endorphins for too long a period of time and interfere with its effectiveness.

Hugs & Blessings,

Crystal

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[low dose naltrexone] Re: sleep problems

Hi ,I also had sleep issues with taking LDN -- at night....which is why Iswitched to day-time dosing. I take my LDN between 8-9am every daynow and I am sleeping just fine now. I have autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashi's) -- and probably becausethyroid folk have metabolic issues...we just seem to do better withday time dosing. The MS folk here seem to have a different experiencethan us thyroid folk and do better with night-time dosing. The first 6wks I took LDN at night I became so sleep deprived that Ifelt dangerous to drive. In fact I took an adrenal (saliva) testright at the 6wk mark of LDN night-time dosing. My test results cameback where at every test time (which is 4 times throughout the day) Iwas EXTREMELY low in cortisol. So if you already have adrenal fatigueI know your adrenals must be even worse shape now that you're notgetting the sleep you need. The day after

that first adrenal test, I switched to day-time LDNdosing and then had my adrenals retested again 6wks later. All mycortisol levels tested well within normal limits -- probably notoptimal, but certainly NOT anything like they were with the previoustest. So...I guess you could try LDN day-time dosing and see how you do. ??I may at some later date try the night-time dosing again...just tosee if it's still a problem for me. I'm doing so well now, I don'twant to mess up a good thing so I'll wait till later on in the year totry that experiment. Good luck...Jann

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Hi Jaanz2,

Your post was most enlightning. I have been on LDN for about 3-4

months and my sleep has been horrendous. I wake up at 3:00 am and can

hardly fall asleep and stay asleep thereafter. I too have thyroid

issues (not sure if I have hashi's or not, but am hypo). I am going

to give the morning dose a try as I cannot go any longer with this

lack of sleep. Other than the sleep issue, LDN has worked marvelously

on my lupus and I have been in remission since getting leveled off on

the LDN. I will never stop taking it, but will experiment to get the

best results for my body.

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hi jann

thanks for the info. switched to day dosing today. took melat last nite

and no ldn and did sleep better for sure. hope they daytime dosing works.

monique

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Hi ,

I had bad sleep problems at first and cut back to 1.5 for as long as it took for me to feel like I was sleeping well. I tried 5htp (got sleep but other symptoms too which I did not like), melatonin (didn’t work for me and made me groggy), and finally just decided to stick it out with nothing. One thing I did, though, was stay up very late and take it right before getting into bed. Even now, I often take it at 1am because that’s how my internal clock works. At that hour I can fall asleep easily because I’m so tired already, and then if the LDN wakes me up at 3am, I fall back asleep pretty quickly. Some people need to adjust the time they take it. Earlier in the evening may be wrong for you.

I’ve seen some people here post that they are taking it during the day. That would be another thing to try. Even if you didn’t get good results with your RA during the day, your body would be adjusting to the LDN and you would still be able to sleep at night. Then, after a while, once your body has gotten used to it, try taking it at night.

Judy

sleep problems

Posted by: " Sauve " moniquesauve@... moniquesauve

Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:24 pm (PDT)

what do ppl here with sleep problems on ldn advise? melatonin? sleep

meds? this is my 2nd attempt at taking ldn. i had to stop after 2 weeks

the 1st attempt due to some bad symptoms which i hope i've resolved. am

now taking 1/4 dose at 9 pm and last 2 nites have not gone into deep

sleep at all even on this dose. i'd like to try it at nite for 2 weeks

to see if this resolves. even at 1.15 mg it still is noticeably helping

the RA. amazing but man i miss sleep. am not a good sleeper to begin

with since i got sick. i have adrenal fatigue i know.

thanks

monique

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Lyme AidYes, Provigil is a good option for increasing alertness, but it isn't

always better than adderall & the other stimulants. It's approved for

narcolepsy. Many prescription plans will approve it only for that diagnosis or

if you have been unsuccessful with the other drugs. But, it doesn't always work

better. Many people with narcolepsy still have better luck with adderall. It

is a very individual thing.

If sleep problems are an ongoing issue, consider a sleep study & diagnosis.

Unlike Lyme, insurance and 'regular' doctors will recognize the need for that.

Lyme can look like narcolepsy or actually trigger narcolepsy... it is a disease

that has a genetic component & needs something to trigger it. Improving your

sleep is key to fighting the Lyme, so being treated for a sleep disorder (even

if the doctor doesn't see it as a Lyme issue) can make a big difference in daily

functioning & recovery. . If you visit a sleep specialist, I'd encourage you

to find one that has some experience beyond classic apnea.

Sue

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Hi - answers between your questions:

thanks for answering my plea ! What is '2 stage' melatonin please and did ya get it from your gp or privately ?

V: I get it from iherb.com http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=702

Also,is it a natural product, are there any side effects I should be aware of.

V: Well it is something your body does produce itself, I just give it a little help.

I will get some mimosa tea, my nutritionist mentioned it too.

V: I get it from http://www.paris-lotus.com/index.php?page=search & langue_id=1 & mot=mimosa & x=16 & y=9 If you find a good source closer to hime, perhaps you can let me know.

Do you know what it was that was causing your sleep probs.... was it cortisol ?

V: I am on hc. I guess it was probably stress reasons stopping me sleeping without help.Val

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Hi

Did you ever do the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile. If you

did, I bet you had high cortisol at night. Your cortisol should be at its

lowest in the reference range at night to enable you to sleep peacefully.

Please read also Dr Lam's web site on adrenals and note his recommendations

that you need to be in bed at 10.00p.m. and the reasons why. http://adrenalfatigue.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/adrenal-fatigue-by-dr-michael-lam/

I find all of his web site quite fascinating.

luv - Sheila

To answer your question Mo,

basically I could fall asleep easily by 9.30pm, but because of my son,who is

NEVER asleep before 10 - 11pm, I never go to bed before then.... and

at about 10pm I can literally feel a big surge of " ok we need to keep her

awake " flowing through me. I go to bed about 11.30-midnight and fall

immediately off to sleep and then DING-DING it's like a boxing ring bell wakes

me up at 2.30-3.00am and that's it,

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Hi julia,

Thanks, but I have got loads at the moment still. If you find it cheaper can you get the name of the shop & whether or not they have a website though please.

Val

I'm pretty sure I saw some mimosa tea when I was last in Brighton..... I have to go there again this Saturday so I'll check it out and let you know (if it's cheaper than you pay now, I can grab you some and send it if you like).julia

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I'm asking for a friend who is taking LDN . . .

He is having difficulty sleeping when taking at 9:00 P.M.  Could he take it in

the morning for a few weeks until his body adjusts to it, and then move it

gradually back to the evening?  Would this work? By the time he moved it back to

evening, maybe it wouldn't bother his sleep then? 

[Guest guest]

he can do that ,but best is to take melatonine or other supplement like magnesium,5HTP that will help him to sleep

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Along with taking melatonin, he might also try moving the timing later, closer

to bedtime. I find I have less sleep disturbance when I take my LDN closer to

11 p.m. or midnite, than when I tried taking it at 9 p.m.

Best,

Connie

Star Kohler wrote:

>>I'm asking for a friend who is taking LDN . . .

>>He is having difficulty sleeping when taking at 9:00 P.M. Could he take it in

the morning for a few weeks until his body adjusts to it, and then move it

gradually back to the evening? Would this work? By the time he moved it back to

evening, maybe it wouldn't bother his sleep then?

[Guest guest]

I find the same thing. I now take my LDN just before going to bed - rarely after 11 pm but whenever. It does seem to make a difference. Presumably I'm asleep before it kicks in.I tried melatonine but it made things worse for me - and pn the pot of it (Source Naturel) I have it says not to take it if you have auto immune though apparently it works for many people.MargaretFrom: Connie <chillyconconnie@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 5:51:25 PMSubject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Sleep problems

Along with taking melatonin, he might also try moving the timing later, closer to bedtime. I find I have less sleep disturbance when I take my LDN closer to 11 p.m. or midnite, than when I tried taking it at 9 p.m.

Best,

Connie

Star Kohler wrote:

>>I'm asking for a friend who is taking LDN . . .

>>He is having difficulty sleeping when taking at 9:00 P.M. Could he take it in the morning for a few weeks until his body adjusts to it, and then move it gradually back to the evening? Would this work? By the time he moved it back to evening, maybe it wouldn't bother his sleep then?

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I realize the ideal time to take LDN is 10 p.m. or later, and many of you (including you, Connie) have mentioned taking your LDN very late at night.  Do you actually go to bed this late, or do you set an alarm and then get up and take it?  We go to bed early -- by 9 p.m., and are up at 4:30 a.m..  Do you feel the later dosing (setting an alarm for 10 or 11 p.m.) is important? 

Thanks for any advice.WisconsinOn 19 February 2010 10:51, Connie <chillyconconnie@...> wrote:

 

Along with taking melatonin, he might also try moving the timing later, closer to bedtime. I find I have less sleep disturbance when I take my LDN closer to 11 p.m. or midnite, than when I tried taking it at 9 p.m.

Best,

Connie

Star Kohler wrote:

>>I'm asking for a friend who is taking LDN . . .

>>He is having difficulty sleeping when taking at 9:00 P.M. Could he take it in the morning for a few weeks until his body adjusts to it, and then move it gradually back to the evening? Would this work? By the time he moved it back to evening, maybe it wouldn't bother his sleep then?

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Some melatonin products include Vitamin B-6. The B-6 component

can stimulate dreaming, so if taken with LDN which also may

do the same for you, together they may be cause of sleep disturbance.

Margaret Schooling wrote:

>

> I find the same thing. I now take my LDN just before going to bed -

> rarely after 11 pm but whenever. It does seem to make a difference.

> Presumably I'm asleep before it kicks in.

>

> I tried melatonine but it made things worse for me - and pn the pot of

> it (Source Naturel) I have it says not to take it if you have auto

> immune though apparently it works for many people.

> Margaret

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> *From:* Connie <chillyconconnie@...>

> *To:* low dose naltrexone

> *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 5:51:25 PM

> *Subject:* [low dose naltrexone] Re: Sleep problems

>

>

>

> Along with taking melatonin, he might also try moving the timing

> later, closer to bedtime. I find I have less sleep disturbance when I

> take my LDN closer to 11 p.m. or midnite, than when I tried taking it

> at 9 p.m.

>

> Best,

>

> Connie

>

> Star Kohler wrote:

>

> >>I'm asking for a friend who is taking LDN . . .

>

> >>He is having difficulty sleeping when taking at 9:00 P.M. Could he

> take it in the morning for a few weeks until his body adjusts to it,

> and then move it gradually back to the evening? Would this work? By

> the time he moved it back to evening, maybe it wouldn't bother his

> sleep then?

>

>

>

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The only other ingredient in this one is calcium. And I've never been troubled by dreams on LDN - good or bad - they're no different to what they were in the past. The major culprit in my case is restless legs.MargaretFrom: Sturr <esturr@...>Margaret Schooling <mschooling@...>Cc: low dose naltrexone Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 6:45:31 PMSubject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Sleep problems

Some melatonin products include Vitamin B-6. The B-6 componentcan stimulate dreaming, so if taken with LDN which also maydo the same for you, together they may be cause of sleep disturbance.Margaret Schooling wrote:> I find the same thing. I now take my LDN just before going to bed - rarely after 11 pm but whenever. It does seem to make a difference. Presumably I'm asleep before it kicks in.> > I tried melatonine but it made things worse for me - and pn the pot of it (Source Naturel) I have it says not to take it if you have auto immune though apparently it works for many people.> Margaret

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Hi everyone,

My son just got his helmet last Tuesday and is fine with it during the day but

then screams when we try to lay him down when he sleeps. This is a baby who has

always slept great and never cries! Did anyone else out there have any sleep

problems with the helmet. I feel so bad and I just don't know what to do for

him. We broke down the last two nights and took it off. I know I shouldn't do

that but he wouldn't stop crying. We go in today for a fitting and I'm hoping

that its just not fitting right. Any similar problems or suggestions for a

tired mom and little boy.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Yes,

and the first step towards finding the answer is to get the 24 hour salivary

adrenal profile done Gill to check where your levels of cortisol and DHEA lie

at four specific times during the day.

Luv -

Sheila

Does anyone have any advice re getting a

nights sleep?

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[Guest guest]

have you heard of, or tried, 5-htp for sleep problems?

Chris