Constipation no more thanks to nutrtitionist

August 12, 2010

At 10:39 PM 8/12/2010, you wrote:

I eat a specific amount of

beans, nuts, 5 veggies, 3 proteins, 1fruit, 64 oz of water, no sugar at

all, nothing scented, and no dairy (I miss the yogurt). But I go to the

bathroom every day. The kind I've only dreamed of. I feel like an

infomercial. I know everyone is different but if you'd like the info to

this nutritionist, just let me know.

,

As I said when you posted this a couple of weeks ago, I'm really glad

things are going better for you.

If you think about it, what the nutritionist told you is implicit in the

parameters of SCD.

Elaine's constipation protocol includes prune nectar (a fruit) and SCD

muffins (made with nut flour) and a regular diet of SCD-legal foods,

including cooked and peeled vegetables.

Also, although beans are typically called " advanced, " some

people do well with them, which is why, although things like the

Pecanbread stages can be helpful, they are not a Rule. Clearly, you're a

person who does well with properly prepared beans.

What was necessary was to find the combination of foods which works for

YOUR gut. That's why Elaine never put menus or lists of what to eat

when in BTVC. Because everyone is different.

That's the beauty of SCD -- it's infinitely customizable.

That's also the frustration of SCD, doing all the careful testing to

figure out what works for you.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

August 13, 2010

Hi ,

Do you still follow the legal/illegal list?

Thanks,

SCD 2 months

August 13, 2010

That's so true about finding what works. I wasn't eating any beans. But she did mention that nut flour should include the oils to be effective. A while back I talked with Lucy and she voiced her frustration with the stages on the pecan site. She told me to ignore them and wished that we didn't talk about them on the forum. I didn't know how to say that properly. She felt that people should just try foods slowly. She couldn't believe I was peeling and pureeing all my foods. So I stopped. I know that a lot of people have to but it wasn't helping the constipation at all. UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)On Aug 13, 2010, at 12:00 AM, "Wizop Marilyn L. Alm"

wrote:

At 10:39 PM 8/12/2010, you wrote:

I eat a specific amount of

beans, nuts, 5 veggies, 3 proteins, 1fruit, 64 oz of water, no sugar at

all, nothing scented, and no dairy (I miss the yogurt). But I go to the

bathroom every day. The kind I've only dreamed of. I feel like an

infomercial. I know everyone is different but if you'd like the info to

this nutritionist, just let me know.

,

As I said when you posted this a couple of weeks ago, I'm really glad

things are going better for you.

If you think about it, what the nutritionist told you is implicit in the

parameters of SCD.

Elaine's constipation protocol includes prune nectar (a fruit) and SCD

muffins (made with nut flour) and a regular diet of SCD-legal foods,

including cooked and peeled vegetables.

Also, although beans are typically called "advanced," some

people do well with them, which is why, although things like the

Pecanbread stages can be helpful, they are not a Rule. Clearly, you're a

person who does well with properly prepared beans.

What was necessary was to find the combination of foods which works for

YOUR gut. That's why Elaine never put menus or lists of what to eat

when in BTVC. Because everyone is different.

That's the beauty of SCD -- it's infinitely customizable.

That's also the frustration of SCD, doing all the careful testing to

figure out what works for you.

â€”

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

August 13, 2010

,I I checked out Hurd's web site. Thanks for providing. Her initial "White Diet" for UC is totally opposite of the SCD diet, but it makes sense. And now I am totally confused. I too am suffering from bloating and constipation.I am quitting all dairy products today to see if that helps. I know you said she was okay with no grain, so did she suggest a beginning diet at all or did she just put you directly on the diet you mentioned? My bleeding has pretty muchcleared up, but I am worried about what she says about bile and proteins. So much conflicting information out there ....Thanks,UC - for yearsSCD - two weeksNo medsAlyssa, I should have just put her info in my email. Her info is www.karenhurd.com. My last name is Veillette. Tell her I told you about her. Just make sure to tell her you're doing scd and won't eat grains. She was ok with that. She really believes the essential fatty acids from the nuts help lube the intestines and the beans bind with the waste. Of course I came at her from the constipated side of life. She'll have you fill out a questionnaire ahead of time. Let me know if you ever talk with her. Be well!!!UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-) I know everyone is different but if you'd like the info to this nutritionist, just let me know. , she sounds amazing! I'm so happy you finally got results! You're right, the standard progression of SCD isn't for everyone, and your nutritionist sounds like she knows how to tweak the diet for different people. I'd love her info! Maybe I could call her or something.Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

August 13, 2010

Hey ,

Would you please share how many nuts and beans- and how you prepare them? I know

we are all different, but I would like to know.

Thanks,

PJ

>

> Hi Joanna,

> No, you weren't misleading. Maybe I was. What I meant was, it doesn't really

seem to make much difference in this case whether the eggs are grocery story or

organic or what. We should still wash the shells well. And that will probably

take care of the problem in almost all cases. I think Marilyn may have a point,

too, about companies and their slanted advertising.

>

> Hey ! I hope I wasn't misleading- my point was that no matter where your

eggs come from there is always a risk with the shell- whether it be salmonella

or chemicals. So whether you do local, organic, or factory farmed eggs, if you

are worried, just wash the shells really good! I have eaten eggs raw from all

kinds of sources and never have gotten sick. I think Marilyn may be on to

something about companies wanting you to " buy theirs and not make your own " !

> -Joanna

>

August 13, 2010

Hi PJ,I eat 1 1/2 c nuts that I soak and sometimes dehydrate. I eat 1/2 c beans at each meal. I soak the beans for 24 hours and them cook them for a couple hours. I make big batches and then freeze them. I desperately want a vitamix so I can make my own bean flours. Someday. The nuts and beans along with the other things has been a Godsend to me. I can't tell you how amazing this little change has been. Hope it helps you. UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)

Hey ,

Would you please share how many nuts and beans- and how you prepare them? I know we are all different, but I would like to know.

Thanks,

PJ

>

> Hi Joanna,

> No, you weren't misleading. Maybe I was. What I meant was, it doesn't really seem to make much difference in this case whether the eggs are grocery story or organic or what. We should still wash the shells well. And that will probably take care of the problem in almost all cases. I think Marilyn may have a point, too, about companies and their slanted advertising.

>

> Hey ! I hope I wasn't misleading- my point was that no matter where your eggs come from there is always a risk with the shell- whether it be salmonella or chemicals. So whether you do local, organic, or factory farmed eggs, if you are worried, just wash the shells really good! I have eaten eggs raw from all kinds of sources and never have gotten sick. I think Marilyn may be on to something about companies wanting you to "buy theirs and not make your own"!

> -Joanna

>

August 13, 2010

Thanks ,

I haven't tried beans yet- but I am thinking about it!

PJ

> >

> > Hi Joanna,

> > No, you weren't misleading. Maybe I was. What I meant was, it doesn't really

seem to make much difference in this case whether the eggs are grocery story or

organic or what. We should still wash the shells well. And that will probably

take care of the problem in almost all cases. I think Marilyn may have a point,

too, about companies and their slanted advertising.

> >

> > Hey ! I hope I wasn't misleading- my point was that no matter where your

eggs come from there is always a risk with the shell- whether it be salmonella

or chemicals. So whether you do local, organic, or factory farmed eggs, if you

are worried, just wash the shells really good! I have eaten eggs raw from all

kinds of sources and never have gotten sick. I think Marilyn may be on to

something about companies wanting you to " buy theirs and not make your own " !

> > -Joanna

> >

>

August 13, 2010

Hi ,There was no beginning diet. Just follow her guidelines. I should have said that she is ok with people eating grains but she was also ok with me not eating any. I went from eating so few foods to eating much more but carefully adding one atA time. My stress has been heavy for 7 months because in addition to peeling and pureeing everything I only ate carrots, meat, yogurt, eggs, avocado, zucchini, broth. Was that it?? Not much. And i had no positive results. But in my core i know scd will get me through Now I just eat what she tells me and a lot of raw veggies. I have never gone to the bathroom so well ever from as long as I can remember. I also have/had ulcers but she's convinced they're gone. One interesting thing she told me was that your waste should slip out. I didn't believe her before but now I do. That's

from the nuts. UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)

,I I checked out Hurd's web site. Thanks for providing. Her initial "White Diet" for UC is totally opposite of the SCD diet, but it makes sense. And now I am totally confused. I too am suffering from bloating and constipation.I am quitting all dairy products today to see if that helps. I know you said she was okay with no grain, so did she suggest a beginning diet at all or did she just put you directly on the diet you mentioned? My bleeding has pretty muchcleared up, but I am worried about what she says about bile and proteins. So much conflicting information out there ....Thanks,UC - for yearsSCD - two weeksNo medsAlyssa, I should have just put her info in my email. Her info is www.karenhurd.com. My last name is Veillette. Tell her I told you about her. Just make sure to tell her you're doing scd and won't eat grains. She was ok with that. She really believes the essential fatty acids from the nuts help lube the intestines and the beans bind with the

waste. Of course I came at her from the constipated side of life. She'll have you fill out a questionnaire ahead of time. Let me know if you ever talk with her. Be well!!!UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-) I know everyone is different but if you'd like the info to this nutritionist, just let me know. , she sounds amazing! I'm so happy you finally got results! You're right, the standard progression of SCD isn't for everyone, and your nutritionist sounds like she knows how to tweak the diet for different people. I'd love her info! Maybe I could call her or something.Cheers!Alyssa 16

yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

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August 13, 2010

Hi told me not to peel. They're good to help get rid of constipation. UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)

Hi ,

We donâ€™t have to peel? I do that for apple and pear. Although I really donâ€™t make puree coz I thought those are for people with diarrhea.

I also agree with , the â€œWhite Dietâ€ is just the opposite of SCD. I got confused. I checked the recipes and some if not almost contains illegal items.

I think that the SCDiet is well balanced and since no stages are mentioned in the BTVC book, it might be ok to proceed (considering all the reminders of Elaine) with other food items as long as we do it with precaution.

SCD 2 months

August 13, 2010

At 07:27 AM 8/13/2010, you wrote:

A while back I talked with Lucy

and she voiced her frustration with the stages on the pecan site. She

told me to ignore them and wished that we didn't talk about them on the

forum. I didn't know how to say that properly. She felt that people

should just try foods slowly. She couldn't believe I was peeling and

pureeing all my foods. So I stopped. I know that a lot of people have to

but it wasn't helping the constipation at all.

Some people find the stages helpful.

They didn't exist when I started SCD. I simply added foods which were

legal and which I liked gradually, once I could tolerate something

besides beef roast, pork roast, steamed zucchini, and soft-boiled

eggs.

One of the issues is that healing with food takes TIME. Elaine put

" one month " in the book because she had to put something,

and too many people, if seeing a required commitment of several months

would throw up their hands and not even try.

People skip over the fact that even the best IBD and IBS medications can

take weeks and/or months to take effect, yet they expect to have perfect

bowel movements and no symptoms in days, some times.

Peeling and cooking the vegetables when you are new to the diet is

necessary.

Some people find pureeing works for them. I never did pureeing in

the early part of the diet, but I did an awful lot of savory smoothies

after my cancer surgery because they'd really moved my poor gut around to

remove all the reproductive parts and get at the lymph nodes. But

once things settled down, I resumed eating regular SCD foods, with

smoothies from time to time when I wanted them.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

August 13, 2010

At 03:11 PM 8/13/2010, you wrote:

I haven't tried beans yet- but I

am thinking about it!

I had some trouble with beans, myself (not the least of which is that

Harry, for all his laid back attitude about most things, really doesn't

LIKE them!).

However, I found I did really well with plain old Camellia brand brown

lentils, prepared the same way as beans. And Harry LIKES those!

Go figure.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

August 13, 2010

What kind of beans have you tried so far? I'm seriously contemplating starting

beans myself. My BM's have been all over the map since my surgery last fall, and

I just recently discovered that eating nut flour goods makes them firmer/more

formed. I don't want to overdo nuts though, since I'm supposedly allergic to

them (I'd be devastated if I ever had to completely give them up). I'm thinking

beans might be a good alternative.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> Hi PJ,

>

> I eat 1 1/2 c nuts that I soak and sometimes dehydrate. I eat 1/2 c beans at

each meal. I soak the beans for 24 hours and them cook them for a couple hours.

I make big batches and then freeze them. I desperately want a vitamix so I can

make my own bean flours. Someday. The nuts and beans along with the other things

has been a Godsend to me. I can't tell you how amazing this little change has

been. Hope it helps you.

>

> UC-C 12/09

> SCD 1/10

> Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus

> Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)

August 14, 2010

Remember

that not everyone will tolerate fiber or beans or nuts, or any one of the

permitted foods on SCD. Constipation due to poor peristalsis

(neuromuscular or hormone causes) may not respond well to even the smallest

amount of correctly-prepared legumes.

So,

each of us needs to find what works for us. That means

experimenting. Which means we have to try things but we need to proceed

with caution.

What

is working for ’s constipation issue would have me in the

hospital within a week. I’d be suffering from severe abdominal and back pain

and severe nausea within 24 hours, and a complete shutdown of my digestion within

a few days [grin]. It’s happened before, so I speak from

personal experience….

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

August 14, 2010

Marilyn,

I just have to say, I really appreciate your input on this group. It really

helps to have a veteran around to keep things in perspective.

> >A while back I talked with Lucy and she voiced

> >her frustration with the stages on the pecan

> >site.

> Some people find the stages helpful.

>

> They didn't exist when I started SCD. I simply

> added foods which were legal and which I liked

> gradually,

August 14, 2010

Hi ,

> That's so true about finding what works. I wasn't eating any beans. But she

did mention that nut flour should include the oils to be effective.

What do you mean by the nut flour should include the oils? Does regular almond

flour have them?

Thanks,

Ellen

August 14, 2010

At 11:22 AM 8/14/2010, you wrote:

I just have to say, I really

appreciate your input on this group. It really helps to have a veteran

around to keep things in perspective.

This is one of the reasons I stay to teach. I was fortunate enough to

have almost four years of Elaine on line and to be able to ask her a

question here and there off line.

I didn't know her as well as, say, someone like Lucy, of Lucy's Kitchen

Shop, did, but she was an amazing lady. Above all, she was a pragmatic

one.

In general, my observation has been, when there's " a problem with

SCD, " the problem is not with SCD, but with the way someone is

implementing SCD.

What works for one person may not work for another. Kim M's low fat diet

would make me quite ill: the sickest I've ever been was doing the

required no-fat for two days before my colonoscopy. OTOH, as she

noted, 's beans and nuts would have HER in the hospital.

I know many people are really, really tired of hearing it, but keeping a

food diary is one of the best ways to track what works for you

personally, even if keeping it is beyond boring and tedious.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

August 14, 2010

What kind of beans have you tried so far? I'm seriously contemplating

starting beans myself. My BM's have been all over the map since my

surgery last fall, and I just recently discovered that eating nut

flour goods makes them firmer/more formed. I don't want to overdo

nuts though, since I'm supposedly allergic to them (I'd be devastated

if I ever had to completely give them up). I'm thinking beans might

be a good alternative.

Holly

Holly,

One thing I've found this past year on the diet is that not all nuts

are created equal as far as my gut goes. I usually can only handle

one or two kinds at a time but when I start having trouble with one,

another one pops up as OK. For instance, a few weeks ago I realized

almonds needed out for awhile, but pecans are fine and I'm OK with

sesame butter, which I haven't been able to handle for years and years.

When you try the beans, DO go slow on amounts. I thought I was OK

with legumes so a couple weeks ago I tried lentils. Soaked them well

over twelve hours, rinsed a number of times, followed all the

rules. I thought a few tablespoons would be OK. Wrong! I spent four

days in the bathroom and didn't feel very well. And I'd thought

lentils or split peas would be the easiest to digest. So, be careful

when you try them!

August 14, 2010

At 11:44 AM 8/14/2010, you wrote:

What do you mean by the nut

flour should include the oils? Does regular almond flour have

them?

Some cheap " nut flours " are really the left-overs from making

nut oils.

Quality nut flours, which are like those carried by Lucy's Kitchen Shop,

Digestive Wellness, Sunnyland Farms, or Honeyville, have the

oils.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

August 14, 2010

At 12:17 PM 8/14/2010, you wrote:

I tried lentils. Soaked them

well

over twelve hours, rinsed a number of times, followed all the

rules. I thought a few tablespoons would be OK. Wrong! I spent four

days in the bathroom and didn't feel very well. And I'd thought

lentils or split peas would be the easiest to digest. So, be careful

when you try them!

And another classic " we're all different, " since I do (and did)

better on lentils than on most beans. I don't do peas, split or

otherwise, because my gut hates them.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

August 14, 2010

Hi ,

Right now I'm only doing almond flour. I do have some pecan in the freezer, but

I've been a little leery to try it due to my allergies (could be psychosomatic,

but for some reason I felt like pecan butter MIGHT have made my mouth feel a

little weird).

I'll be careful with the beans ;-). I'll start with no more then 1/4 cup in one

day (if that). My bird will be so happy! She loves beans, but only gets to eat

them if my dad opens a can of chili, which doesn't happen much anymore.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> What kind of beans have you tried so far? I'm seriously contemplating

> starting beans myself. My BM's have been all over the map since my

> surgery last fall, and I just recently discovered that eating nut

> flour goods makes them firmer/more formed. I don't want to overdo

> nuts though, since I'm supposedly allergic to them (I'd be devastated

> if I ever had to completely give them up). I'm thinking beans might

> be a good alternative.

>

> Holly

>

> Holly,

> One thing I've found this past year on the diet is that not all nuts

> are created equal as far as my gut goes. I usually can only handle

> one or two kinds at a time but when I start having trouble with one,

> another one pops up as OK. For instance, a few weeks ago I realized

> almonds needed out for awhile, but pecans are fine and I'm OK with

> sesame butter, which I haven't been able to handle for years and years.

>

> When you try the beans, DO go slow on amounts. I thought I was OK

> with legumes so a couple weeks ago I tried lentils. Soaked them well

> over twelve hours, rinsed a number of times, followed all the

> rules. I thought a few tablespoons would be OK. Wrong! I spent four

> days in the bathroom and didn't feel very well. And I'd thought

> lentils or split peas would be the easiest to digest. So, be careful

> when you try them!

>

August 14, 2010

Hi ,

Right now I'm only doing almond flour. I do have some pecan in the

freezer, but I've been a little leery to try it due to my allergies

(could be psychosomatic, but for some reason I felt like pecan butter

MIGHT have made my mouth feel a little weird).

I'll be careful with the beans ;-). I'll start with no more then 1/4

cup in one day (if that). My bird will be so happy! She loves beans,

but only gets to eat them if my dad opens a can of chili, which

doesn't happen much anymore.

Holly

As Marilyn just said, a good example of us all being so

different. If you feel the pecan butter may have made your mouth

feel weird, I'd skip it for a bit and try later. My MIL, who had no

other allergies or food problems as far as I know, always said that

cashews made her mouth feel numb. And good luck with the beans,

whatever ones you decide to try. Alas, we have to try things to find

out how they work.

August 14, 2010

I eat black, navy, and what's the big red one?My breakfast is scrambled eggs, black beans, a veggie, and tomato juice for taste. Sometimes I make tortillas on my waffle cone maker and use them as a wrap for my egg mixture. UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)