RE: Vitamin B12 - neurological problems

January 7, 2004

What are the neurological problems that come with low B12 levels? I know

that when mine was low (before I started the shots, then when I got a bad

bottle of B12) I noticed that my speech became funny - I knew what I wanted

to say but I had trouble forming the words sometimes - or I'd lose my train

of thought mid-sentence (literally) and have no idea what I was even

discussing with the person. This last one caused MANY " getting old " jokes.

Also, I've always had a familial tremor in my hands, but I noticed that it

was getting worse when my B12 was low and my legs would also tremor at

times - although this is most likely separate from the familial tremor,

since the familial tremor rarely affects a person's legs or feet. What

worries me is that this all hasn't gone away now that my B12 levels are

better, so I don't know if it's unrelated or if something else caused it

(heck, maybe I AM getting old!).

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Re: Vitamin B12

A Dr. Baker who does bariantic surgery in Minnesota followed the b-12

levels of his patients who took it orally and who took shots. He found

that taking it orally produced better results. The shots caused lots of

peaks and valleys and left the patient nearly depleted by the time of

the next shot.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

michellekb03 wrote:

>

> I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

> shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

> drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

> worried. Thoughts?

>

> in Kansas City

> 310/210/hoping for 150

> Dr. Roger DelaTorre

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January 7, 2004

Terry, when you mention 'familial tremor,' you reminded me of something. At

about 8 months out, I noticed that I had a definite tremor in my head, didn't

notice it anywhere else. I mentioned it to my PCP who called it 'essential'

tremor. He said that everyone has it all the time, and it's nothing. Mine was

noticeable, and I had never noticed it before WLS. Now, though, about 7 months

later, it's gone. So, has anyone else noticed tremor while they were losing like

crazy, and then notice that it was gone later on when the loss slowed? Or is

this one of life's weirdnesses?

Sharon in D.C.

Re: Vitamin B12

A Dr. Baker who does bariantic surgery in Minnesota followed the b-12

levels of his patients who took it orally and who took shots. He found

that taking it orally produced better results. The shots caused lots of

peaks and valleys and left the patient nearly depleted by the time of

the next shot.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

michellekb03 wrote:

>

> I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

> shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

> drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

> worried. Thoughts?

>

> in Kansas City

> 310/210/hoping for 150

> Dr. Roger DelaTorre

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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January 7, 2004

I have had two long-term effects at this point, both of which my PCP

pinned on the B-12 deficiency (I'm 36, and he said he doesn't normally

see this stuff until people are twice my age). Hand and foot tingling,

and some toe numbness. Both started when my serum B-12 level was around

180 and were at the worst when it was 118. But neither of them has

totally disappeared in the five months my B-12 levels have been above

600, and Dr. Sandstrom said that the tingling, especially, is unlikely

to ever go away. Great. Instead of $15 worth of shots, I have this? Gee

thanks.

The speech/brain/feeling stupid/being unable to articulate thoughts that

were clear in my mind.. All that stuff went away as soon as I started

getting adequate B-12. And as soon as I feel stupid now, if it's been

over 7 days since I've had B-12, I decide it's time for a shot. Less

than 7 days, I chalk it up to getting old, or being stupid. LOL

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01

http://www.ziobro.us

RE: Vitamin B12 - neurological problems

What are the neurological problems that come with low B12 levels? I

know that when mine was low (before I started the shots, then when I got

a bad bottle of B12) I noticed that my speech became funny - I knew what

I wanted to say but I had trouble forming the words sometimes - or I'd

lose my train of thought mid-sentence (literally) and have no idea what

I was even discussing with the person. This last one caused MANY

" getting old " jokes.

Also, I've always had a familial tremor in my hands, but I noticed that

it was getting worse when my B12 was low and my legs would also tremor

at times - although this is most likely separate from the familial

tremor, since the familial tremor rarely affects a person's legs or

feet. What worries me is that this all hasn't gone away now that my B12

levels are better, so I don't know if it's unrelated or if something

else caused it (heck, maybe I AM getting old!).

January 7, 2004

Well, you piqued my curiosity, and I went online to search for " essential

tremor. " I wouldn't say that it's " nothing, " and everyone does NOT have it

all the time, or even at all. Either you misunderstood your doctor, or he

does not understand ET. There is a lot of information dedicated to that

condition - one of the most informative is:

http://www.wemove.org/et/et_cc.html

According to this site, ET is " considered the most common neurologic

movement disorder. " It can, indeed, be quite mild, but often progresses. The

" familial tremor " mentioned in an earlier post is quite likely ET. Other

tremors may be caused by nutritional deficiencies, drug reactions, etc., and

may not be ET at all.

---

365/194/160

Lap RnY, Distal - Dr. s

Vanderbilt University Hospital

Surgery date June 3, 2002

> At

> about 8 months out, I noticed that I had a definite tremor in my head,

didn't

> notice it anywhere else. I mentioned it to my PCP who called it

'essential'

> tremor. He said that everyone has it all the time, and it's nothing.

January 7, 2004

You get B-12 shot once a week?

Do you use the same dose -- 10 mg?

I've been thinking of using the shot every month but

supplementing with sublingual from Trader Joe's. But

I'm one of those who doesn't feel any different no

matter what the B-12 level. Does that mean the

crankcase is full?

/john

--- Ziobro wrote:

> I have had two long-term effects at this point, both

> of which my PCP

> pinned on the B-12 deficiency (I'm 36, and he said

> he doesn't normally

> see this stuff until people are twice my age). Hand

> and foot tingling,

> and some toe numbness. Both started when my serum

> B-12 level was around

> 180 and were at the worst when it was 118. But

> neither of them has

> totally disappeared in the five months my B-12

> levels have been above

> 600, and Dr. Sandstrom said that the tingling,

> especially, is unlikely

> to ever go away. Great. Instead of $15 worth of

> shots, I have this? Gee

> thanks.

>

> The speech/brain/feeling stupid/being unable to

> articulate thoughts that

> were clear in my mind.. All that stuff went away as

> soon as I started

> getting adequate B-12. And as soon as I feel stupid

> now, if it's been

> over 7 days since I've had B-12, I decide it's time

> for a shot. Less

> than 7 days, I chalk it up to getting old, or being

> stupid. LOL

>

> Z

> Open RNY 09/17/01

> http://www.ziobro.us

>

> RE: Vitamin B12 -

> neurological problems

>

> What are the neurological problems that come with

> low B12 levels? I

> know that when mine was low (before I started the

> shots, then when I got

> a bad bottle of B12) I noticed that my speech became

> funny - I knew what

> I wanted to say but I had trouble forming the words

> sometimes - or I'd

> lose my train of thought mid-sentence (literally)

> and have no idea what

> I was even discussing with the person. This last

> one caused MANY

> " getting old " jokes.

> Also, I've always had a familial tremor in my hands,

> but I noticed that

> it was getting worse when my B12 was low and my legs

> would also tremor

> at times - although this is most likely separate

> from the familial

> tremor, since the familial tremor rarely affects a

> person's legs or

> feet. What worries me is that this all hasn't gone

> away now that my B12

> levels are better, so I don't know if it's unrelated

> or if something

> else caused it (heck, maybe I AM getting old!).

>

> Homepage:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe:

> mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

January 7, 2004

,

I give myself a B-12 shot every 14 days (2 weeks). I've never heard of a

10 mg dose. I do a 1 cc dose, which is equal to 1000 mcg. That's the

standard B-12 dose.

What's your B-12 blood serum level? That's the only way to tell if

you're where you should be.

Z

Open RNY 09.17.01

http://www.ziobro.us

RE: Vitamin B12 - neurological problems

>

> What are the neurological problems that come with low B12 levels? I

> know that when mine was low (before I started the shots, then when I

> got a bad bottle of B12) I noticed that my speech became funny - I

> knew what I wanted to say but I had trouble forming the words

> sometimes - or I'd lose my train of thought mid-sentence (literally)

> and have no idea what I was even discussing with the person. This

> last one caused MANY " getting old " jokes.

> Also, I've always had a familial tremor in my hands, but I noticed

> that it was getting worse when my B12 was low and my legs would also

> tremor at times - although this is most likely separate from the

> familial tremor, since the familial tremor rarely affects a person's

> legs or feet. What worries me is that this all hasn't gone away now

> that my B12 levels are better, so I don't know if it's unrelated or if

> something else caused it (heck, maybe I AM getting old!).

>

> Homepage:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe:

> mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

January 7, 2004

, you really have to look at the numbers. Just make sure YOU

(meaning not your doc) watches for trends up or down on your labs,

then take whatever action is appropriate. Your doc will probably

only look to see that everything falls within the " normal " ranges.

If that's the case, you may not feel a difference until it's really

taken its dive. Or, you may do fine with just sublinguals...just

watch your numbers & there's your answer.

in NJ

*************************

> You get B-12 shot once a week?

> Do you use the same dose -- 10 mg?

>

> I've been thinking of using the shot every month but

> supplementing with sublingual from Trader Joe's. But

> I'm one of those who doesn't feel any different no

> matter what the B-12 level. Does that mean the

> crankcase is full?

>

> /john

>

January 7, 2004

A familial tremor is basically an essential tremor that is " inherited " , or

runs in the family, and isn't a one time thing. I've had it for a long time

(can't even remember when I first noticed it) and it gets worse and better

depending on a lot of factors (stress & caffeine for a couple). From what I

understand, an essential tremor (not familial) can be a single occurrence or

can go on for a long period of time. I know that the head, voice & hands

are the most common areas affected also. For me, it's my hands and

occasionally my voice (sort of feels like my throat is tremoring and my

voice sort of shakes).

----------------------------------------

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http://www.5dollarhosting.com

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Re: Vitamin B12

A Dr. Baker who does bariantic surgery in Minnesota followed the b-12

levels of his patients who took it orally and who took shots. He found

that taking it orally produced better results. The shots caused lots of

peaks and valleys and left the patient nearly depleted by the time of

the next shot.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

michellekb03 wrote:

>

> I need some help here. One doctor told me I would have to take B-12

> shots monthly forever. Another told me to take Vitamin B sublingual

> drops under the tongue daily. Honestly I haven't been good about

> doing any of it. My labs seem to be good and my family doctor isn't

> worried. Thoughts?

>

> in Kansas City

> 310/210/hoping for 150

> Dr. Roger DelaTorre

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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January 7, 2004

My husband can usually tell if I forget to give myself a shot - I get

grumpy. That's my first indication that my B12 is getting low, even before

I get tired or anything, I get depressed and grumpy. I try not to forget

the shots of course, and now I've scheduled them on my calendar in Outlook

so it'll bug me until I give myself a shot (I don't dismiss the reminder

until I complete whatever it is that it's reminding me about).

----------------------------------------

Terry Mayers

5DollarHosting.com

http://www.5dollarhosting.com

.... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune!

RE: Vitamin B12 - neurological problems

What are the neurological problems that come with low B12 levels? I

know that when mine was low (before I started the shots, then when I got

a bad bottle of B12) I noticed that my speech became funny - I knew what

I wanted to say but I had trouble forming the words sometimes - or I'd

lose my train of thought mid-sentence (literally) and have no idea what

I was even discussing with the person. This last one caused MANY

" getting old " jokes.

Also, I've always had a familial tremor in my hands, but I noticed that

it was getting worse when my B12 was low and my legs would also tremor

at times - although this is most likely separate from the familial

tremor, since the familial tremor rarely affects a person's legs or

feet. What worries me is that this all hasn't gone away now that my B12

levels are better, so I don't know if it's unrelated or if something

else caused it (heck, maybe I AM getting old!).

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January 7, 2004

I also feel no diff whether my level is at 300, 900 or 1800. And I

don't feel a lag between shots, even when they were monthly. Could be

because I never let it get " too low " . I did nto WANT to " feel " sick.

I wrestled my PCP to the grond when it hit 330. I mean, the facts

are plain. It wasn't like it was going to GET better, was it?

The odd thing is that we sorta beat all the odds with our distals.

We did not reach the 300's til the 6th year. And we took nothing

beyond our multi. And that's useless for B12. Go figure.

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RE: Vitamin B12 -

> > neurological problems

> >

> > What are the neurological problems that come with

> > low B12 levels? I

> > know that when mine was low (before I started the

> > shots, then when I got

> > a bad bottle of B12) I noticed that my speech became

> > funny - I knew what

> > I wanted to say but I had trouble forming the words

> > sometimes - or I'd

> > lose my train of thought mid-sentence (literally)

> > and have no idea what

> > I was even discussing with the person. This last

> > one caused MANY

> > " getting old " jokes.

> > Also, I've always had a familial tremor in my hands,

> > but I noticed that

> > it was getting worse when my B12 was low and my legs

> > would also tremor

> > at times - although this is most likely separate

> > from the familial

> > tremor, since the familial tremor rarely affects a

> > person's legs or

> > feet. What worries me is that this all hasn't gone

> > away now that my B12

> > levels are better, so I don't know if it's unrelated

> > or if something

> > else caused it (heck, maybe I AM getting old!).

> >

> > Homepage:

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe:

> > mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

January 8, 2004

In a message dated 01/07/2004 7:08:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,

terry@... writes: