Re: Results from my catscan...

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

well...it's one of " those " ...as I tend to be so good at being!

What I mean is, step by step-bec I can't quite form this into a

clear picture yet--there's still a few puzzle pieces missing...

1-the report read no Non-unions-meaning the radiologist read it as

the bones having healed and reconnected where the plates were

removed.

2-my symptoms...NG (not good)...I have pain almost always-esp when

sinuses would act up-rain or cold..., swelling, sensitivity and some

slight movement on my uppers-meaning when I bite the whole thing

moves not just my teeth. (my DDS and OS noticed this)

3-my teeth are MOVING like mad!

I am going into the Ortho next week and getting my OS on the

phone...seems like we both think the lower braces may be going back

on.

ah-hahahahahahahaha the maddness!

idea here too is get them RIGHT before any permenent retainers are

added AND............

4-if we do that or not, if I am feeling this way and as much as I

would like to duck out of site and pretend I am making this up in my

head and go on with life normally...yesterday I swelled more than I

have in a long time and can't do it. This body of mine---it's all

I've got, it's my vessel through this life and it needs to carry me

many many more miles...so back to the point, hate to write it or say

it...but he will prob have to get back inside there to look and see

what's up-he feels he saw a non-union on my upper left side...I did

too on the damn CT...so SURGERY AGAIN!

now what does that mean...

well, here's the possibilities...1-braces go on lower again,

straighten them out, then surgery...

there's a chance that this pain could be from scare tissue since

when he had to take out the left upper plate, where I am most poufy-

the bone had engulfed the plate and didn't want to give it up...so

we could go in, and that's it, fixed...but if he sees a non-union...

(ah-hahahahahahaha) the plates-all 4 -just like the ones I had

removed bec my body rejected -- one that I pushed out, then, we put

them back in! HAHAHAHAHA.....(consider that crazy laughter bec I am

like ooooooookaaaaaaay and a bit spun up by all of this)...good

thing is, maybe this will all settle me correctly, bec my retainers

are not working and damn it-that is the one thing I wanted them NOT

TO GO BACK TO HOW THEY WERE BEFORE I STARTED THIS ADVENTURE

and I was told by my OR...nope...won't happen...inside I

laughed...but really HOPED and wore the retainer faithfully. but no

dice...we're on our way to BIG BIG troublle and a lot of this

negative progress has been in the past 2 wks...

so who knows...

except I go to the OR next thurs...and talk about the lowers, then

determine the next step.

Good thing is if I have to have surgery, then at least it's not a

banded shut situation (as he feels now, no reason) but about a week

off and I don't have that time to take this yr, but will just have

to if need be and meanwhile I won't worry about that. it's too soon

to say and my job is NOT worth my well being. I won't be here when I

am 90 yrs old, but if I live that long, I sure will have this skull,

and I want to have feel-good days for the long haul!

So folks...that's what I know (If it makes sense, explain it to

me

You know, I kid about being Super tweaky...and yeah I can handle a

lot. but this is just like Awe come on...like I don't even want to

tell anyone bec they will go---NO WAY really are you kidding? Get a

new dr! Why did you do this? etc...and know what...it's reality, I

saw the films, I have trust and faith in this dr bec I have tons of

exp with him and even can say in my gut that I feel confident. So

not concerned about what they say as much as the " guff " of hearing

it and explaining it, shit, my Mom and Grandma are going to

certainly loose sleep over this. Thank god my fiance is very level

headed when it comes down to it, like me, in cases like this...you

freak out a little or say holy crap and then you take a deep breath

and find the solution...with a big hug.

I will update post OR apt thurs 6th...

this sure is some crazy stuff though.

**Hay Sara-how are you, any news on your plans with this challenge u

have similar to me?

Thanks all, for the hugs...I will take them by the ton-anytime...and

right back at cha!!!

JO

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo,

There hasn't been much progress for me, I had an mri done and it came back

inconclusive! So I am waiting for my surgeon to call with the date of the cat

scan as he thaught that the mri would do the job! My infection has flared up

AGAIN, but this time it's really bad. I'm reduced to tears most of the time

cause it's so painfull! I am also swelling up more each day and I hate it'! I'm

getting used to my bands but they are annoying!

My surgeon has " been in " to take a look at what's happening in August he also

opened my sinuses a little more to see if it would help. But it was a waste of

time. He wants to go in again once iv'e had the cat scan done and he will also

remove some or possibly all the hardware as it seems to be the cause of all my

problems. I just want to get this all sorted so I can return to work and carry

on with the rest of my treatment.

I am being paid sick pay while i'm off as I don't want to risk going back to

work until i'm ready, my health is a lot more important than my job!

I get the " no way " comments too and they do annoy me! I have been told several

times that I should get a new Dr but I am more than happy with the one iv'e got,

I trust him with my life. Before I had my surgery my dad and his girlfriend

didn't understand why I was going through with the surgery, but I needed the

surgery so badly and after all it was my choice and my life. Harsh I know but

they were saying worse stuff to me! I have been told several times by my dad's

girlfriend you should have stayed how you were even with the face you had! I

sure set her straight!!!

I see my surgeon on Monday as an emergancy case due to my infection, swelling

etc I have been on antibiotics since Monday I am on two different kinds and

taking 14 tablets a day!!! and they haven't made a difference!!!

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[Guest guest]

HI ,

I think you are very brave and very strong. Don't let any one put

you down, no one else will understand why you had the surgery. I am

sure your doctor will look after you and will sort it all out soon.

Keep your chin up and good luck for monday.

Thinking of you. Take care.

> Hi Jo,

>

> There hasn't been much progress for me, I had an mri done and it

came back inconclusive! So I am waiting for my surgeon to call with

the date of the cat scan as he thaught that the mri would do the

job! My infection has flared up AGAIN, but this time it's really

bad. I'm reduced to tears most of the time cause it's so painfull! I

am also swelling up more each day and I hate it'! I'm getting used

to my bands but they are annoying!

>

> My surgeon has " been in " to take a look at what's happening in

August he also opened my sinuses a little more to see if it would

help. But it was a waste of time. He wants to go in again once iv'e

had the cat scan done and he will also remove some or possibly all

the hardware as it seems to be the cause of all my problems. I just

want to get this all sorted so I can return to work and carry on

with the rest of my treatment.

>

> I am being paid sick pay while i'm off as I don't want to risk

going back to work until i'm ready, my health is a lot more

important than my job!

>

> I get the " no way " comments too and they do annoy me! I have been

told several times that I should get a new Dr but I am more than

happy with the one iv'e got, I trust him with my life. Before I had

my surgery my dad and his girlfriend didn't understand why I was

going through with the surgery, but I needed the surgery so badly

and after all it was my choice and my life. Harsh I know but they

were saying worse stuff to me! I have been told several times by my

dad's girlfriend you should have stayed how you were even with the

face you had! I sure set her straight!!!

>

> I see my surgeon on Monday as an emergancy case due to my

infection, swelling etc I have been on antibiotics since Monday I am

on two different kinds and taking 14 tablets a day!!! and they

haven't made a difference!!!

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! for Good

> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry Jo!! I would be frustrated too. We have an idea of

the long haul course of this type of surgery, but that has

definately been taken to the extreme in your case. I am so glad you

are confident in your doctors. That is really important right now.

Having people you feel will be able to ultimately make this

satisfactory fory you is number one.

I can feel that you are worried about work, especially with the new

work you have coming in. But I do think that if you talk to

whomever you need to at work to set this up, and take in some info

from your OD and OS, they will most likely work with you. I don't

know if part of what you do can be done from home, but maybe

something like that can be worked out. Medical issues have a

longstanding history of not falling into more appropriate schedules

for any of us. But I would take something from your OS and OD in

writing, and that would probably grease the wheels a little easier

for you. You shouldn't have to do that, but in this case, it might

still be the most prudent thing to do. Sorry if this is something

you have already asked for on the board and I am rehashing old news.

But in any event, know you have support here and people pulling for

you. I am! I just hope they can identify the source of the symptoms

and sit down and really counsel you on what to do, what your

recovery should be, and how to get you there. I am holding out

great hope for you, and I will be watching for what you find out

next week.

You are not crazy. This would make anyone frustrated and upset. I

would be nuts. I think you are holding in there very well, and I am

glad you came to the board with it. Hang in there.

Big hugs,

Fran

> Hi all,

> well...it's one of " those " ...as I tend to be so good at being!

>

> What I mean is, step by step-bec I can't quite form this into a

> clear picture yet--there's still a few puzzle pieces missing...

>

> 1-the report read no Non-unions-meaning the radiologist read it as

> the bones having healed and reconnected where the plates were

> removed.

> 2-my symptoms...NG (not good)...I have pain almost always-esp when

> sinuses would act up-rain or cold..., swelling, sensitivity and

some

> slight movement on my uppers-meaning when I bite the whole thing

> moves not just my teeth. (my DDS and OS noticed this)

> 3-my teeth are MOVING like mad!

> I am going into the Ortho next week and getting my OS on the

> phone...seems like we both think the lower braces may be going

back

> on.

> ah-hahahahahahahaha the maddness!

> idea here too is get them RIGHT before any permenent retainers are

> added AND............

> 4-if we do that or not, if I am feeling this way and as much as I

> would like to duck out of site and pretend I am making this up in

my

> head and go on with life normally...yesterday I swelled more than

I

> have in a long time and can't do it. This body of mine---it's all

> I've got, it's my vessel through this life and it needs to carry

me

> many many more miles...so back to the point, hate to write it or

say

> it...but he will prob have to get back inside there to look and

see

> what's up-he feels he saw a non-union on my upper left side...I

did

> too on the damn CT...so SURGERY AGAIN!

>

> now what does that mean...

>

> well, here's the possibilities...1-braces go on lower again,

> straighten them out, then surgery...

>

> there's a chance that this pain could be from scare tissue since

> when he had to take out the left upper plate, where I am most

poufy-

> the bone had engulfed the plate and didn't want to give it up...so

> we could go in, and that's it, fixed...but if he sees a non-

union...

> (ah-hahahahahahaha) the plates-all 4 -just like the ones I had

> removed bec my body rejected -- one that I pushed out, then, we

put

> them back in! HAHAHAHAHA.....(consider that crazy laughter bec I

am

> like ooooooookaaaaaaay and a bit spun up by all of this)...good

> thing is, maybe this will all settle me correctly, bec my

retainers

> are not working and damn it-that is the one thing I wanted them

NOT

> TO GO BACK TO HOW THEY WERE BEFORE I STARTED THIS ADVENTURE

> and I was told by my OR...nope...won't happen...inside I

> laughed...but really HOPED and wore the retainer faithfully. but

no

> dice...we're on our way to BIG BIG troublle and a lot of this

> negative progress has been in the past 2 wks...

>

> so who knows...

> except I go to the OR next thurs...and talk about the lowers, then

> determine the next step.

>

> Good thing is if I have to have surgery, then at least it's not a

> banded shut situation (as he feels now, no reason) but about a

week

> off and I don't have that time to take this yr, but will just have

> to if need be and meanwhile I won't worry about that. it's too

soon

> to say and my job is NOT worth my well being. I won't be here when

I

> am 90 yrs old, but if I live that long, I sure will have this

skull,

> and I want to have feel-good days for the long haul!

>

> So folks...that's what I know (If it makes sense, explain it to

> me

> You know, I kid about being Super tweaky...and yeah I can handle a

> lot. but this is just like Awe come on...like I don't even want to

> tell anyone bec they will go---NO WAY really are you kidding? Get

a

> new dr! Why did you do this? etc...and know what...it's reality, I

> saw the films, I have trust and faith in this dr bec I have tons

of

> exp with him and even can say in my gut that I feel confident. So

> not concerned about what they say as much as the " guff " of hearing

> it and explaining it, shit, my Mom and Grandma are going to

> certainly loose sleep over this. Thank god my fiance is very level

> headed when it comes down to it, like me, in cases like this...you

> freak out a little or say holy crap and then you take a deep

breath

> and find the solution...with a big hug.

>

> I will update post OR apt thurs 6th...

> this sure is some crazy stuff though.

>

> **Hay Sara-how are you, any news on your plans with this challenge

u

> have similar to me?

>

> Thanks all, for the hugs...I will take them by the ton-

anytime...and

> right back at cha!!!

> JO

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just posted to Jo, and then saw your post too! I am so upset for

you, not only for the MRI being inconclusive and dealing with the

infection issue, but having to deal with the insensitivity of

inconsiderate and uninformed people. I would have blown a fuse!! I

am glad you set her straight! UGH!

Please know you have support and people here who can definately

empathize with you. I hope the meds kick in and you get some pain

relief too. Please keep us posted, and especially after your

appointment on Monday. Keeping you in my thoughts.

Big hugs,

Fran

> Hi Jo,

>

> There hasn't been much progress for me, I had an mri done and it

came back inconclusive! So I am waiting for my surgeon to call with

the date of the cat scan as he thaught that the mri would do the

job! My infection has flared up AGAIN, but this time it's really

bad. I'm reduced to tears most of the time cause it's so painfull! I

am also swelling up more each day and I hate it'! I'm getting used

to my bands but they are annoying!

>

> My surgeon has " been in " to take a look at what's happening in

August he also opened my sinuses a little more to see if it would

help. But it was a waste of time. He wants to go in again once iv'e

had the cat scan done and he will also remove some or possibly all

the hardware as it seems to be the cause of all my problems. I just

want to get this all sorted so I can return to work and carry on

with the rest of my treatment.

>

> I am being paid sick pay while i'm off as I don't want to risk

going back to work until i'm ready, my health is a lot more

important than my job!

>

> I get the " no way " comments too and they do annoy me! I have been

told several times that I should get a new Dr but I am more than

happy with the one iv'e got, I trust him with my life. Before I had

my surgery my dad and his girlfriend didn't understand why I was

going through with the surgery, but I needed the surgery so badly

and after all it was my choice and my life. Harsh I know but they

were saying worse stuff to me! I have been told several times by my

dad's girlfriend you should have stayed how you were even with the

face you had! I sure set her straight!!!

>

> I see my surgeon on Monday as an emergancy case due to my

infection, swelling etc I have been on antibiotics since Monday I am

on two different kinds and taking 14 tablets a day!!! and they

haven't made a difference!!!

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! for Good

> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry you are having all these problems. I am still pre-op

so I don't have a lot of advice, but it sounds like you have a lot of

professional advice with your doctors. I will send you good wishes

and hope things turn around.

~Rene

> Hi all,

> well...it's one of " those " ...as I tend to be so good at being!

>

> What I mean is, step by step-bec I can't quite form this into a

> clear picture yet--there's still a few puzzle pieces missing...

>

> 1-the report read no Non-unions-meaning the radiologist read it as

> the bones having healed and reconnected where the plates were

> removed.

> 2-my symptoms...NG (not good)...I have pain almost always-esp when

> sinuses would act up-rain or cold..., swelling, sensitivity and

some

> slight movement on my uppers-meaning when I bite the whole thing

> moves not just my teeth. (my DDS and OS noticed this)

> 3-my teeth are MOVING like mad!

> I am going into the Ortho next week and getting my OS on the

> phone...seems like we both think the lower braces may be going back

> on.

> ah-hahahahahahahaha the maddness!

> idea here too is get them RIGHT before any permenent retainers are

> added AND............

> 4-if we do that or not, if I am feeling this way and as much as I

> would like to duck out of site and pretend I am making this up in

my

> head and go on with life normally...yesterday I swelled more than I

> have in a long time and can't do it. This body of mine---it's all

> I've got, it's my vessel through this life and it needs to carry me

> many many more miles...so back to the point, hate to write it or

say

> it...but he will prob have to get back inside there to look and see

> what's up-he feels he saw a non-union on my upper left side...I did

> too on the damn CT...so SURGERY AGAIN!

>

> now what does that mean...

>

> well, here's the possibilities...1-braces go on lower again,

> straighten them out, then surgery...

>

> there's a chance that this pain could be from scare tissue since

> when he had to take out the left upper plate, where I am most poufy-

> the bone had engulfed the plate and didn't want to give it up...so

> we could go in, and that's it, fixed...but if he sees a non-union...

> (ah-hahahahahahaha) the plates-all 4 -just like the ones I had

> removed bec my body rejected -- one that I pushed out, then, we put

> them back in! HAHAHAHAHA.....(consider that crazy laughter bec I am

> like ooooooookaaaaaaay and a bit spun up by all of this)...good

> thing is, maybe this will all settle me correctly, bec my retainers

> are not working and damn it-that is the one thing I wanted them NOT

> TO GO BACK TO HOW THEY WERE BEFORE I STARTED THIS ADVENTURE

> and I was told by my OR...nope...won't happen...inside I

> laughed...but really HOPED and wore the retainer faithfully. but no

> dice...we're on our way to BIG BIG troublle and a lot of this

> negative progress has been in the past 2 wks...

>

> so who knows...

> except I go to the OR next thurs...and talk about the lowers, then

> determine the next step.

>

> Good thing is if I have to have surgery, then at least it's not a

> banded shut situation (as he feels now, no reason) but about a week

> off and I don't have that time to take this yr, but will just have

> to if need be and meanwhile I won't worry about that. it's too soon

> to say and my job is NOT worth my well being. I won't be here when

I

> am 90 yrs old, but if I live that long, I sure will have this

skull,

> and I want to have feel-good days for the long haul!

>

> So folks...that's what I know (If it makes sense, explain it to

> me

> You know, I kid about being Super tweaky...and yeah I can handle a

> lot. but this is just like Awe come on...like I don't even want to

> tell anyone bec they will go---NO WAY really are you kidding? Get a

> new dr! Why did you do this? etc...and know what...it's reality, I

> saw the films, I have trust and faith in this dr bec I have tons of

> exp with him and even can say in my gut that I feel confident. So

> not concerned about what they say as much as the " guff " of hearing

> it and explaining it, shit, my Mom and Grandma are going to

> certainly loose sleep over this. Thank god my fiance is very level

> headed when it comes down to it, like me, in cases like this...you

> freak out a little or say holy crap and then you take a deep breath

> and find the solution...with a big hug.

>

> I will update post OR apt thurs 6th...

> this sure is some crazy stuff though.

>

> **Hay Sara-how are you, any news on your plans with this challenge

u

> have similar to me?

>

> Thanks all, for the hugs...I will take them by the ton-

anytime...and

> right back at cha!!!

> JO

[Guest guest]

Jo, I'm so sorry to hear that you might have to undergo more surgery.

What exactly does your OD and OMS believe to be the explanation for

all this? Did they give you a timetable on what will be done first?

What kind of surgery? - upper? put the plates back in or just skip

the plates and put in screws only? (My OMS says he never uses plates,

just uses the screws) I'm sorry you are in so much pain and having

swelling too. Sounds like you have good doctors though - and they

will get all this straightened out. I'm sending you warm healing

thoughts and vibes to help you get thru all this. Let us know what

your OD says next week. Take care of yourself. Try to have a nice

weekend, okay? ~~~~ Diane (Idaho)

> Hi all,

> well...it's one of " those " ...as I tend to be so good at being!

>

> What I mean is, step by step-bec I can't quite form this into a

> clear picture yet--there's still a few puzzle pieces missing...

>

> 1-the report read no Non-unions-meaning the radiologist read it as

> the bones having healed and reconnected where the plates were

> removed.

> 2-my symptoms...NG (not good)...I have pain almost always-esp when

> sinuses would act up-rain or cold..., swelling, sensitivity and

some

> slight movement on my uppers-meaning when I bite the whole thing

> moves not just my teeth. (my DDS and OS noticed this)

> 3-my teeth are MOVING like mad!

> I am going into the Ortho next week and getting my OS on the

> phone...seems like we both think the lower braces may be going back

> on.

> ah-hahahahahahahaha the maddness!

> idea here too is get them RIGHT before any permenent retainers are

> added AND............

> 4-if we do that or not, if I am feeling this way and as much as I

> would like to duck out of site and pretend I am making this up in

my

> head and go on with life normally...yesterday I swelled more than I

> have in a long time and can't do it. This body of mine---it's all

> I've got, it's my vessel through this life and it needs to carry me

> many many more miles...so back to the point, hate to write it or

say

> it...but he will prob have to get back inside there to look and see

> what's up-he feels he saw a non-union on my upper left side...I did

> too on the damn CT...so SURGERY AGAIN!

>

> now what does that mean...

>

> well, here's the possibilities...1-braces go on lower again,

> straighten them out, then surgery...

>

> there's a chance that this pain could be from scare tissue since

> when he had to take out the left upper plate, where I am most poufy-

> the bone had engulfed the plate and didn't want to give it up...so

> we could go in, and that's it, fixed...but if he sees a non-union...

> (ah-hahahahahahaha) the plates-all 4 -just like the ones I had

> removed bec my body rejected -- one that I pushed out, then, we put

> them back in! HAHAHAHAHA.....(consider that crazy laughter bec I am

> like ooooooookaaaaaaay and a bit spun up by all of this)...good

> thing is, maybe this will all settle me correctly, bec my retainers

> are not working and damn it-that is the one thing I wanted them NOT

> TO GO BACK TO HOW THEY WERE BEFORE I STARTED THIS ADVENTURE

> and I was told by my OR...nope...won't happen...inside I

> laughed...but really HOPED and wore the retainer faithfully. but no

> dice...we're on our way to BIG BIG troublle and a lot of this

> negative progress has been in the past 2 wks...

>

> so who knows...

> except I go to the OR next thurs...and talk about the lowers, then

> determine the next step.

>

> Good thing is if I have to have surgery, then at least it's not a

> banded shut situation (as he feels now, no reason) but about a week

> off and I don't have that time to take this yr, but will just have

> to if need be and meanwhile I won't worry about that. it's too soon

> to say and my job is NOT worth my well being. I won't be here when

I

> am 90 yrs old, but if I live that long, I sure will have this

skull,

> and I want to have feel-good days for the long haul!

>

> So folks...that's what I know (If it makes sense, explain it to

> me

> You know, I kid about being Super tweaky...and yeah I can handle a

> lot. but this is just like Awe come on...like I don't even want to

> tell anyone bec they will go---NO WAY really are you kidding? Get a

> new dr! Why did you do this? etc...and know what...it's reality, I

> saw the films, I have trust and faith in this dr bec I have tons of

> exp with him and even can say in my gut that I feel confident. So

> not concerned about what they say as much as the " guff " of hearing

> it and explaining it, shit, my Mom and Grandma are going to

> certainly loose sleep over this. Thank god my fiance is very level

> headed when it comes down to it, like me, in cases like this...you

> freak out a little or say holy crap and then you take a deep breath

> and find the solution...with a big hug.

>

> I will update post OR apt thurs 6th...

> this sure is some crazy stuff though.

>

> **Hay Sara-how are you, any news on your plans with this challenge

u

> have similar to me?

>

> Thanks all, for the hugs...I will take them by the ton-

anytime...and

> right back at cha!!!

> JO

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

Yeah it's a doosey.

My OS so far from the CT thinks the upper shows a non-union where

the bone was cut in my upper...and that may be it...OR, one of the

removed plates and screws on the left side ( I had 2 sets on rt and

2 on left) could have caused scar tissue on removal bec my bone grew

over them and it was 'tough' to remove.

And then there's the curioistiy about my sinuses which he can

see " in " there. But I think I will ask about seeing an ENT dr before

ripping me open again. I want to be sure it's going in for the right

reasons...not TOTALLY exploritory...I has always been a scary to

hear that...let's go in and see what's going on...(I had an

orthopedist want to rip me open -check out my knees yrs ago -mind

you didn't trust him like Dr C-NOOOOOO way, Long/short--I only

needed PTherapy to strengthen muscles...the cheering and dance had

made some muscles more strong then the other and that's why my knee

caps were really messed up)

I mean through this all, I have been more then a trooper (not

bragging, hate that) but really just pushed on no matter the odds or

what not, from the pain, millions of apts, pressure from work and on

my daily schedule, to being more unhappy with how I look now then

before-and PLEASE WAIT on that---what I mean is, I didn't mind

having braces -who cares I was 30 + showed I was working on

something good for me...and got me proofed too haha and liked

me a lot before (even though I had to practice the " picture Smile "

millions and millions of times;) for my gummy (upper) look...)but

now the lowers are shifting-BIG TIME, and my teeth, the color? I

would say Lucky Stike 4 pack a day smoker for like 50yrs may come

close to the color...and I really just want to move forward and get

it alllllll done. Bec now I look " great " (minus the lowers in my

opinion) and yeah I do look a lot better if you will...but I smile

and then the yellow and brown stains shout out and OMG!!!...no one

in public or professionally knows that I am mid-dental-work and my

bonding on my upper 6 turned this almost sticky-note-color after 16

yrs, 2 yrs of braces, surgery and so on...and IT SUCKS. And I was

waiting to get married until I was done...went to a close friends

wedding last nt, and just thought geez, when the heck will we be

able to do this, between surgery recovery pain swelling and haha the

money (who's to say if Vytra will pay for another go round and then

the cosemetic was quoted at about 13000$ NO SHIT...and wedding, oh

yeah you mean in jeans and a tshirt in a coffee shop? We're solo on

making that happen ($) and are paying my step-son's college

education too -freshman, 3 more yrs to come!)

so I guess I am just bitching now...and I shouldn't.

Things aren't sooo bad, I'm going to make it out of this just fine-

no idea how long the tunnel is and I am just getting frustrated, but

I can't say this stuff to 'outsiders' (non-board people)...I mean

they get it, but not REALLY...not until I say something like - less

than 2 wks before my first surgery, Vytra revoked the genio approval

and I had to come up with about 4500$...and my braces weren't

covered at all...6k and you want to know when I am getting MARRIED?!

Ahhh, I think I need a nap!

So OR on Thursday to talk more about plans, concerns,

resolutions...I hope for plans to resloution! (Pray is more like it)

Thanks all of you guys..., I'm with you kiddo...GOOD thoughts

being funneled to you and all you pre-ops...don't be scared off by

me...I am that " this hardly ever happens " person more than I would

like, so it seems. But I knwo that and try to work with it.

And the actaul surgery is not so bad...you get through a little at a

time.

Maybe I should take my own advice . . . a little at a time.

Thanks, JO

> > Hi all,

> > well...it's one of " those " ...as I tend to be so good at being!

> >

> > What I mean is, step by step-bec I can't quite form this into a

> > clear picture yet--there's still a few puzzle pieces missing...

> >

> > 1-the report read no Non-unions-meaning the radiologist read it

as

> > the bones having healed and reconnected where the plates were

> > removed.

> > 2-my symptoms...NG (not good)...I have pain almost always-esp

when

> > sinuses would act up-rain or cold..., swelling, sensitivity and

> some

> > slight movement on my uppers-meaning when I bite the whole thing

> > moves not just my teeth. (my DDS and OS noticed this)

> > 3-my teeth are MOVING like mad!

> > I am going into the Ortho next week and getting my OS on the

> > phone...seems like we both think the lower braces may be going

back

> > on.

> > ah-hahahahahahahaha the maddness!

> > idea here too is get them RIGHT before any permenent retainers

are

> > added AND............

> > 4-if we do that or not, if I am feeling this way and as much as

I

> > would like to duck out of site and pretend I am making this up

in

> my

> > head and go on with life normally...yesterday I swelled more

than I

> > have in a long time and can't do it. This body of mine---it's

all

> > I've got, it's my vessel through this life and it needs to carry

me

> > many many more miles...so back to the point, hate to write it or

> say

> > it...but he will prob have to get back inside there to look and

see

> > what's up-he feels he saw a non-union on my upper left side...I

did

> > too on the damn CT...so SURGERY AGAIN!

> >

> > now what does that mean...

> >

> > well, here's the possibilities...1-braces go on lower again,

> > straighten them out, then surgery...

> >

> > there's a chance that this pain could be from scare tissue since

> > when he had to take out the left upper plate, where I am most

poufy-

> > the bone had engulfed the plate and didn't want to give it

up...so

> > we could go in, and that's it, fixed...but if he sees a non-

union...

> > (ah-hahahahahahaha) the plates-all 4 -just like the ones I had

> > removed bec my body rejected -- one that I pushed out, then, we

put

> > them back in! HAHAHAHAHA.....(consider that crazy laughter bec I

am

> > like ooooooookaaaaaaay and a bit spun up by all of this)...good

> > thing is, maybe this will all settle me correctly, bec my

retainers

> > are not working and damn it-that is the one thing I wanted them

NOT

> > TO GO BACK TO HOW THEY WERE BEFORE I STARTED THIS ADVENTURE

> > and I was told by my OR...nope...won't happen...inside I

> > laughed...but really HOPED and wore the retainer faithfully. but

no

> > dice...we're on our way to BIG BIG troublle and a lot of this

> > negative progress has been in the past 2 wks...

> >

> > so who knows...

> > except I go to the OR next thurs...and talk about the lowers,

then

> > determine the next step.

> >

> > Good thing is if I have to have surgery, then at least it's not

a

> > banded shut situation (as he feels now, no reason) but about a

week

> > off and I don't have that time to take this yr, but will just

have

> > to if need be and meanwhile I won't worry about that. it's too

soon

> > to say and my job is NOT worth my well being. I won't be here

when

> I

> > am 90 yrs old, but if I live that long, I sure will have this

> skull,

> > and I want to have feel-good days for the long haul!

> >

> > So folks...that's what I know (If it makes sense, explain it to

> > me

> > You know, I kid about being Super tweaky...and yeah I can handle

a

> > lot. but this is just like Awe come on...like I don't even want

to

> > tell anyone bec they will go---NO WAY really are you kidding?

Get a

> > new dr! Why did you do this? etc...and know what...it's reality,

I

> > saw the films, I have trust and faith in this dr bec I have tons

of

> > exp with him and even can say in my gut that I feel confident.

So

> > not concerned about what they say as much as the " guff " of

hearing

> > it and explaining it, shit, my Mom and Grandma are going to

> > certainly loose sleep over this. Thank god my fiance is very

level

> > headed when it comes down to it, like me, in cases like

this...you

> > freak out a little or say holy crap and then you take a deep

breath

> > and find the solution...with a big hug.

> >

> > I will update post OR apt thurs 6th...

> > this sure is some crazy stuff though.

> >

> > **Hay Sara-how are you, any news on your plans with this

challenge

> u

> > have similar to me?

> >

> > Thanks all, for the hugs...I will take them by the ton-

> anytime...and

> > right back at cha!!!

> > JO