Toxins

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>! Be advised! Many of Sally Fallon's recommended practices can

>inadvertantly produce T-2 and HT-2 mycotoxins (trichothecenes) which

>in turn cause a variety of disorders, the most common of which is

>dying. Specifically, this caution should be applied to soaking of

>grains for sprouting; but could also be applied towards anything such

>as nuts, produce, whatever, that can and will develope molds. The

>grain infestation by Fusarium sp is classic, and was responsble for

>the death of many of the poor in the Middle Ages--preparing and

>eating grains that had been allowed to stand in wet fields, for

>example.

??? Exactly which " many " practices are you talking about? Soaking, done

properly,

does not encourage mold -- mold doesn't grow underwater. I guess, from

reading about mycotoxins, that it a certain amount of mycotoxin DOES

occur in grain (before you get it) which certainly doesn't excite me about

eating grain in general (which will come as no surprise to people who

have been on this list awhile ...).

Sprouting can encourage some bad bacteria if you are not careful (there

have been some cases of food poisoning from it) for which reason

I personally don't sprout much. If you do the proper rinsing of

sprouts though, you don't get mold/fungi. Drying in a dehydrator does

not result in mold/fungi either, if the air circulation is good (I've dried

berries,

which mold immediately at room temp).

Mycotoxins don't occur quickly, either:

http://www.usda.gov/gipsa/pubs/mycobook.pdf

There are many varied environmental conditions

that need to be in place before the spores

will germinate or begin to grow. Generally relative

humidity over 70% and temperatures over

30EC (86EF) for extended periods (several

days to a week) are generally needed. Stress

to the plants such as periods of drought, flooding,

or insect infestation are also common factors

in the fungus growth cycle. High moisture

content of the crops (20% or higher in

corn), as at the optimal times of growth and

harvest, give the spores the necessary elements

to start the growth process.

Fermenting, however, DOES seem to reduce mycotoxins, so some

of Sally's recommendations (soaking flour in a yeast or whey solution,

sourdough, etc.) would likely reduce mycotoxins. In the link below, it also

mentions that just plain rinsing grain reduces mycotoxins, and a lot of them

ARE destroyed by heat (but not all of them).

http://www.lfra.co.uk/eman2/train4_1.asp

Bacteria and yeast degradation

Black yeast (Exophiala spinifera) and a gram-positive bacterium strain isolated

from corn stalk completely metabolizes fumonisin B1 with release of CO2. These

microrganisms have been used as gene source for the production of transgenic

corn plants.

A soil bacterium strain belonging to the Agrobacterium-Rhizobium group is able

to convert up to 200 micrograms/ml of deoxynivalenol to 3-keto-4-deoxynivalenol

in culture medium. The immunosuppressive toxicity of 3-keto-4-deoxynivalenol is

less than one tenth of that deoxynivalenol. The bacterium is also capable of

transforming 3-acetyldeoxynivalenol but not nivalenol and fusarenon.

Flavobacterium aurantiacum is able to remove 75% aflatoxin B1 (20 micrograms)

from aqueous solution, but no degradation product is detected.

Fermentation by Saccharomyces cerevisiae of wort-containing zearalenone results

in conversion of 69% toxin to beta-zearalenol, a metabolite with lower activity

than the parent compound.

Almost complete destruction of patulin is observed after fermentation of

contaminated juice using Saccharomyces cerevisiae.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

While we're on the topic of toxins in our toiletries, this is an interesting site... http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/You browse through and select items you use to go into your "basket" then they generate a report on how toxic your choices are. My deodorant is over 8 on a scale of 1-10!Trudy

[Guest guest]

I believe this is a myth, on more than one count, but you may wish to do more research for yourself.

H.

In a message dated 10/5/05 9:12:25 AM, scbozzo@... writes:

I had heard that you shouldn't use any of the mainstream deodorants because of the aluminum in them -- its purpose is to clog the skin pores of your armpit, so the sweat (containing toxins) can't come out.  And people have hypothesized a link between the aluminum clogging (and toxin back-up) and breast cancer.  But they don't seem to even mention aluminum on the ewg site -- other toxins take the front stage...

[Guest guest]

I am using Burt's Bees products.

www.burtsbees.com

You can find them at Longs and at health food stores, and

order off their website. They have skin care products and

cosmetics. I really like their Lip Shimmer, sort of a cross between

lipstick and chapstick - it tingles your lips from the essential oils and

it has a nice color. Their face soaps are great too, not really

soaps.

At 09:04 AM 10/5/2005, scbozzo@... wrote:

Hi

Trudy,

Thanks for the url's! I've checked them all out. I especially

like the ewg.org site on toxins. It will take awhile, to really

investigate...

I had heard that you shouldn't use any of the

mainstream deodorants because of the aluminum in them -- its purpose is

to clog the skin pores of your armpit, so the sweat (containing toxins)

can't come out. And people have hypothesized a link between the

aluminum clogging (and toxin back-up) and breast cancer. But they

don't seem to even mention aluminum on the ewg site -- other toxins take

the front stage...

At any rate, I've decided to go with the

" completely organic and chemical-free " stuff (for shampoo and

cond.). The Yoga Journal lists 4 companies that fit this:

Aubrey Organics

Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps

Pangea Organics

Terressentials

They also list the following in a " second

tier " category -- each of these products still contains known

carcinogenic ingredients:

Avalon Organics

Kiss My Face

Tom's of Maine

Nature's Gate

Not all of them make shampoos. I checked

them out online and will try Aubrey Organics first.

Best,

Sue

----- Original Message -----

From: Trudy Verzosa

To:

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:17 PM

Subject: [ ] Toxins

While we're on the topic

of toxins in our toiletries, this is an interesting site...

http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/

You browse through and select items you use to go into your

" basket " then they generate a report on how toxic your choices

are. My deodorant is over 8 on a scale of 1-10!

Trudy

[Guest guest]

I had heard that about aluminum as well. Just a few weeks ago I read in the paper that after years of study they were unable to document any relationship between aluminum and breast cancer. They hypothesized that people made the association because they are so close in proximity. The same article also said there was no evidence that aluminum causes Alzheimer's. It was just one article, so who knows what the truth is.

My husband got some kind of infection in his armpit several years ago - I guess his lymph node got very swollen and painful, I didn't know him then. The doctor told him to stop using antiperspirant and stick to deodorant - he's been fine ever since.

I decided that all those chemicals were disgusting and tried the natural deodorants. The problem was that I am a very heavy perspirer and I lived in Oklahoma at the time! I couldn't stand myself, so I went back to anti-perspirant. In fact I went way back and bought Degree - don't think I've sweated since. ) Real Simple rated natural deodorants and Tom's was way up there. I think I will try that once I finish my current deodorant.

Let us know if you find any products you love.

Trudy

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Hi Trudy,

Thanks for the url's! I've checked them all out. I especially like the ewg.org site on toxins. It will take awhile, to really investigate...

I had heard that you shouldn't use any of the mainstream deodorants because of the aluminum in them -- its purpose is to clog the skin pores of your armpit, so the sweat (containing toxins) can't come out. And people have hypothesized a link between the aluminum clogging (and toxin back-up) and breast cancer. But they don't seem to even mention aluminum on the ewg site -- other toxins take the front stage...

At any rate, I've decided to go with the "completely organic and chemical-free" stuff (for shampoo and cond.). The Yoga Journal lists 4 companies that fit this:

Aubrey Organics

Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps

Pangea Organics

Terressentials

They also list the following in a "second tier" category -- each of these products still contains known carcinogenic ingredients:

Avalon Organics

Kiss My Face

Tom's of Maine

Nature's Gate

Not all of them make shampoos. I checked them out online and will try Aubrey Organics first.

Best,

Sue