Re: Burning gut pain

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, I would suspect honey, but you are doing a anti candida version of the

diet? What else are you eating?

Suneeti (Crohns, SCD 2000)

[Guest guest]

I'm Eating Eggs, Red Meat, Chicken, Fish, Low to Med carb veggies and olive oil,

coconut oil and Tahini

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> Hmmm, I would suspect honey, but you are doing a anti candida version of the

diet? What else are you eating?

> Suneeti (Crohns, SCD 2000)

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[Guest guest]

BTW the tahini is the hulled variety and also am eating tomato - cooked, skinned

and seeded

[Guest guest]

What's your diagnosis?

Mara

> I'm Eating Eggs, Red Meat, Chicken, Fish, Low to Med carb veggies and olive

oil, coconut oil and Tahini

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>> Hmmm, I would suspect honey, but you are doing a anti candida version of the

diet? What else are you eating?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mara,

I had a nasty intestinal infection which landed me in hospital. SO much diorreah

and mucous - nasty.

Didnt feel right after relase from hospital, was treated again and again and

again with broad spectrum antibiotics sometime 3 together at the same time -

things just got worse and worse.

I don't have a diagnosed bowel disorder - I have all the classic symptoms of a

fungal infection, and given my history whatever nasties are in me - are goign to

be those resistant to the anti-biotics that I took.

[Guest guest]

Check

in with your gastroenterologist. Pain isn’t the usual symptom

associated with being on a candida-elimination version of SCD. Changes in

stool color and texture is common, and episodes of more diarrhea or more

constipation -- but pain, particularly in the places you describe, isn’t

the norm. Best to have a doctor check things out.

Of

course there is always a chance that a food or supplement is triggering this

kind of reaction. Quite often it takes a while for the body to react to

something. What supplements are you taking? What foods are

you eating? If you list them we might notice something that raises red

flags.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

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or so week after starting have been getting very strong burning pain above and

below the belly button as well as strong lower back pain. In addition to this

my bowel movments have turned to water - greeny, yellowy colour. I dont

normally go more than twice a day - on occasion I have had to go urgently

This level of pain is not constant, it seems to last for a day or two - then

the level of pain will reduce for a day or so and my stools will be formed a

little better - but then it always come back again.

Of course gut pain and poor stools aren't new to me - otherwise I wouldnt be

doing this diet, but the pain and watery stools are certainly worse now.

Any thoughts?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

> Hi Mara,

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> I had a nasty intestinal infection which landed me in hospital. SO much

diorreah and mucous - nasty.

>

> Didnt feel right after relase from hospital, was treated again and again and

again with broad spectrum antibiotics sometime 3 together at the same time -

things just got worse and worse.

>

> I don't have a diagnosed bowel disorder - I have all the classic symptoms of a

fungal infection, and given my history whatever nasties are in me - are goign to

be those resistant to the anti-biotics that I took.

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Are you taking s. boulardii? I recommend trying that.

Also - for the burning pain, I'd try switching out the tahini see if that helps

- and also

get ahold of some digestive enzymes.

Take this test to determine what kind of enzymes you may lack:

http://www.enzymedica.com/pdf/Enzyme%20Deficiency%20Test.pdf

Mara

[Guest guest]

Pain in that region is one of the two spots I have pain in. My doctor said they

can't explain why Crohn's patients have pain there (I'm not sure what your

diagnosis is). When I have pain there (like this morning a little - I had nut

butters yesterday), I know I'm symptomatic. I have Crohn's with constipation

though. I have only had one tiny bowel movement since last Thursday and that was

yesterday. When I finally do go to the bathroom, it will be a lot and very

mushy. As long as I don't get pain in my terminal ileum, I don't go back to

intro; however, when the pain starts there (lower right side kind of close to

the hip), I go intro immediately for a couple days and reintro foods slowly but

not as slow as the beginning. I do that to make sure I still tolerate the foods

I tolerated before.

As I sit here I can feel that tightening and burning around my navel. I also ate

some banana-coconut flour pancakes for breakfast yesterday morning and the

almond/peanut butter in the afternoon. I think that was just too much fiber for

one day.

If I take it slow, the pain usually passes in a day or so.

So, for me the pain usually indicates I ate something that my guts didn't like.

I guess it's possible that it's die off too. So, maybe you're eating something

your body doesn't like that much. I had an on and off thing at first with the

pain. Broccoli caused an immediate reaction where spinach waited a day or so.

That's why it took me so long to progress to new foods; as soon as I felt that

pain, I knew I had done something wrong and I felt it a lot the first 6 months

on the diet.

Misty Kimble

CD - no meds

SCD - Jan 2008

> 2 or so week after starting have been getting very strong burning pain above

and below the belly button as well as strong lower back pain. In addition to

this my bowel movments have turned to water - greeny, yellowy colour. I dont

normally go more than twice a day - on occasion I have had to go urgently

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> This level of pain is not constant, it seems to last for a day or two - then

the level of pain will reduce for a day or so and my stools will be formed a

little better - but then it always come back again.

[Guest guest]

For me, I would remove the Tahini and tomatoes. Tahini and tomatoes both made me

react quickly. Wait a few days and intro them back in separately and at least 4

or 5 days apart. I still can't eat tahini because sesames are seeds and high in

something my body doesn't like (lingin or something). My body just didn't like

tomatoes for about the first 2 years on the diet. Now I can eat them a couple

times a week but always peeled, deseeded and cooked. I can have raw tomatoes on

occasion.

Misty Kimble

CD - meds

SCD - Jan 2008

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> BTW the tahini is the hulled variety and also am eating tomato - cooked,

skinned and seeded

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Burning gut pain. Boy, I know about burning gut & back pain that comes on

together, and greenish/yellow poop!

Were you tested for c. diff (Clostridium Difficile)? I got it 3 years ago from

taking antibiotics, and even tho they gave me Vancomycin (the " BIG GUNS " ) for

the c. diff, and even though I tested negative 3 times after taking the Vanco, I

had greenish-yellowish very soft BMs for many, many months. My burning pain was

in my upper right stomach, kind of near the duodenum, which radiated backward

into my mid-back causing a terrible back pain. A chiropractor showed me a " map "

of where the nerves in the stomach are connected to the spine, and sure enough,

where my stomach pain was located was exactly connected by nerves to the area of

my spine that hurt so badly.

I don't know if this will work for you, but drinking the juice of a half

squeezed lemon with warm water took my burning pain away in my stomach, and

eventually in my back. It took me a while to get up the courage to drink it

because it didn't make sense to me to drink something acidic if my stomach was

burning, but I finally tried it and it was like putting out a fire. Go figure!

My grandpa used to drink apple cider vinegar (ACV) when his stomach burned and

he swore by it. The ACV didn't work for me, but the lemon drink does. It also

helps with the yeast too. I'm also on the candida version of SCD.

Eventually, the SCD will help your stools become more consistently formed, as it

has for me, but you might want to get tested for c. diff if you haven't already,

because c. diff really needs to be taken care of.

Good luck, and I hope you feel better soon!

Tamra in Gilroy

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> Hi All,

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> I have been following the cut down Candida version of this diet for about 8

weeks now.

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> 2 or so week after starting have been getting very strong burning pain above

and below the belly button as well as strong lower back pain. In addition to

this my bowel movments have turned to water - greeny, yellowy colour. I dont

normally go more than twice a day - on occasion I have had to go urgently

>

> This level of pain is not constant, it seems to last for a day or two - then

the level of pain will reduce for a day or so and my stools will be formed a

little better - but then it always come back again.

>

> Of course gut pain and poor stools aren't new to me - otherwise I wouldnt be

doing this diet, but the pain and watery stools are certainly worse now.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Regards,

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[Guest guest]

I'd pull the coconut oil and tahini first. See if things improve when you

remove one or the other or both.

Sounds like you might have some intestinal ulcerations. I'd still check in with

your gastroenterologist, you might need some tests, but while you're waiting you

can experiment with your foods and supplements. In some cases a prescription

medication might help your body get a start on healing, so it can help to have a

meeting with your doctor.

What supplements are you taking?

When you're testing foods, it helps to fall back to the basics : very soft, easy

to digest foods, cooked well. Stop all supplements. If you're on prescription

medications, check with your doctor first. Don't use seasonings other than

salt; hold off on dairy (if you're eating any of that). If your symptoms are

particularly severe or troublesome, then you can fall back to clear liquids for

a day or two, then add back some solid foods that are soft and easy to digest.

If things improve, then you know it was one or more of the items you removed

causing the problem. Add back one thing at a time. I always start by adding

foods first, supplements last.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

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> > Hmmm, I would suspect honey, but you are doing a anti candida version of the

diet? What else are you eating?

> > Suneeti (Crohns, SCD 2000)

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It looks like you have gotten some good advice already - I just wanted to add,

that I get this burning side pain that radiates toward the back, and I find that

it now comes when I eat things I can't yet tolerate. I was getting it pretty bad

before starting SCD, but it's much more under control now that I am on the diet.

Anyhow, I can handle quite a bit of " advanced " foods, but tomatoes give me the

WORST burning gut/side pain that lasts for 24 hours each time. Also, too much

coconut activates it too. My stool gets really loose with these foods too. I

just went to a very simple smoothie/squash/chicken diet for a week and had

absolutely no pain finally last week! And I have NO problems with fruit or

honey. I wish you the best in figuring out what is causing you the pain.

Thanks,

SCD 12 Weeks

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> Hi All,

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> I have been following the cut down Candida version of this diet for about 8

weeks now.

>

> 2 or so week after starting have been getting very strong burning pain above

and below the belly button as well as strong lower back pain. In addition to

this my bowel movments have turned to water - greeny, yellowy colour. I dont

normally go more than twice a day - on occasion I have had to go urgently

>

> This level of pain is not constant, it seems to last for a day or two - then

the level of pain will reduce for a day or so and my stools will be formed a

little better - but then it always come back again.

>

> Of course gut pain and poor stools aren't new to me - otherwise I wouldnt be

doing this diet, but the pain and watery stools are certainly worse now.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Regards,

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Thankyou for your wonderful advice.

I will go back to basics. Chicken, Lamb and Fish soups, with some carrots and

zucchini (courgette).

I have been eating Chicken every day for a long time now - is it possible to

react to meat?

[Guest guest]

I have been eating Chicken every day for a long time now - is it possible to react to meat?Definitely. Can you eat beef, bison, turkey, fish, and lamb for a day or two to give the chicken a rest? Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 7.5 mg

[Guest guest]

So, today I changed my diet, i had only:

Chicken Stock and meat

Well cooked zucchini

Well cooked carrots

Salmon.

The chicken stock cause me a LOT of bloating - I seem to have problem with

fluids.

BUT This evening I went to the loo and had well formed green stools - it like a

miracle after all the diarrhea I have had lately.

Thanks for all your help and keep ur fingers crossed me me

[Guest guest]

Fingers are crossed! Good work on going back to the basics- it's not always easy

to do that once you've made progress. Remember that you won't be perfect

overnight- you'll probably still have some D.

-Joanna

> Thanks for all your help and keep ur fingers crossed me me

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[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

Nice. Thanks for posting.--

 

So, for people who need to pack hot meals for work or day trips, this set looks pretty cool, with variouscontainers and such:

Bento Stainless-Steel Vacuum Lunch Jarhttp://www.amazon.com/dp/B0016S7MJM/ref=pe_74680_16633070_pe_epc_t8

Mara

[Guest guest]

As previously posted on Saturday night I had my first well formed stool since I

cant remember when. Later that night whilst bed, I wokeup and had to go to the

loo again, this time my stool was water.

The good part about that is the following day I had MUCH less gut pain and

bloating - quite a pleasant relief.

Now the bad news - Its now 2pm Monday and I haven't been to the toilet in 36

hours and my gut and back is building and building. SO i have gone from diarrhea

to redoing the intro diet and am now constipated, hmmmm can't win.

Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

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> As previously posted on Saturday night I had my first well formed stool since

I cant remember when. Later that night whilst bed, I wokeup and had to go to the

loo again, this time my stool was water.

>

> The good part about that is the following day I had MUCH less gut pain and

bloating - quite a pleasant relief.

>

> Now the bad news - Its now 2pm Monday and I haven't been to the toilet in 36

hours and my gut and back is building and building. SO i have gone from diarrhea

to redoing the intro diet and am now constipated, hmmmm can't win.

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> Any suggestions?

That can happen when your gut ecology is beginning to change. It's actually a

sign that something

good is beginning to happen internally, even though it can be uncomfortable in

the short term.

I would just stay on intro - though if it continues to be uncomfortable, I'd

eventually add in the

protocol for C.

Mara.