Re: Another reason to have B-12 shots?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, but: all my lab scores are well within normal ranges, and I'm STILL

depressed. Diet may contribute, but there's gotta be other stuff at work too.

Carol A

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In a message dated 12/7/2003 7:47:20 AM Central Standard Time,

sherra4@... writes:

> It amazes me how all these vitamins are responsible for so much. B12,

> folic

> acid, iron are a combo that if out of line with each other, can cause

> depression. Also calcium and magnesium and potassium is another combo that

> if out of line with each other, can cause depression. Diet has a lot to do

> with depression.

>

> All the more reason it's important to get blood work done so you can be

> aware of any deficiencies.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/9/2003 2:16:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

sherra4@... writes:

It just amazes me that when someone is depressed, a lot of doctors do not

even bother with a blood test, they shoot from the hip and start prescribing

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Not to be argumentative (smile). But I have never met a doc who didn't do

blood work first. But, with depression it is most important to get people

moving as soon as possible and finding the right med, for now is through trial

and

error. You cannot discuss diet or anything else with a depressed person. It

is like stopping the bleeding for an injured person. You must stop the

bleeding before you can fix anything else. My 2 cents.

Fay Bayuk -

[Guest guest]

Oh sure there is all sorts of stuff at work, Carol. We have very complex human

bodies with all sorts of things going on. It just amazes me that when someone

is depressed, a lot of doctors do not even bother with a blood test, they shoot

from the hip and start prescribing and go by " the most " theory... " the most ppl

who experience this...take X drug and it works " .

Like everything else in life, no cookie cutter answers....but it all starts

atleast with the diet. Many other things can happen along the way that a bad

diet may cause...or it could just be plain genes and something in the diet

triggered it and that is of course long gone so hard to hang depression on any

" one " thing.

Sherra

Re: Another reason to have B-12 shots?

Yeah, but: all my lab scores are well within normal ranges, and I'm STILL

depressed. Diet may contribute, but there's gotta be other stuff at work too.

Carol A

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In a message dated 12/7/2003 7:47:20 AM Central Standard Time,

sherra4@... writes:

It amazes me how all these vitamins are responsible for so much. B12, folic

acid, iron are a combo that if out of line with each other, can cause

depression. Also calcium and magnesium and potassium is another combo that

if out of line with each other, can cause depression. Diet has a lot to do

with depression.

All the more reason it's important to get blood work done so you can be

aware of any deficiencies.

[Guest guest]

Funny thing is... My B-12 level was very high coming in at 1280 and

the doc took me off the sublingual daily and put me on once a week

to bring it down. Lately I do seem to feel a drop in energy and

dealing with emotions. I sometimes wonder if the higher level is

just plain better for some of us.

Carol G.

> Yeah, but: all my lab scores are well within normal ranges, and

I'm STILL

> depressed. Diet may contribute, but there's gotta be other stuff

at work too.

>

> Carol A

> ----------------------------------------------

>

> In a message dated 12/7/2003 7:47:20 AM Central Standard Time,

> sherra4@p... writes:

>

> > It amazes me how all these vitamins are responsible for so

much. B12,

> > folic

> > acid, iron are a combo that if out of line with each other,

can cause

> > depression. Also calcium and magnesium and potassium is another

combo that

> > if out of line with each other, can cause depression. Diet has

a lot to do

> > with depression.

> >

> > All the more reason it's important to get blood work done so you

can be

> > aware of any deficiencies.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not meaning to simplify depression nor act like a medical doc of it at

all. But your comment of your energy level going down now that you take

less b12...sparked me on a little minor research journey. I've heard some

naturopaths like their b12 in their patients much higher than the regular

medicine docs do. I think some of those ranges are just a guideline - esp

the non toxic water soluable ones.

I say go with what you feel and do some research. I have not seen anything

about b12 being toxic at the level of 1300.

A really cool link I found on b12:

http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Health/Research/b12.htm

And one that talks about depression even if you show ok levels of b12....

http://www.mts.net/~baumel/B12.html

And another one I found good was showing that b12 is not toxic...so if you

are feeling good with your level at 1300, I really don't think it would be

an issue. I encourage you to do your own research on it before you try

it...but I have found nothing bad so far in terms of being toxic if you have

what they consider a high level of b12.

http://www.usadrug.com/IMCAccess/ConsSupplements/VitaminB12Cobalamincs.shtml

Too many links lol on this b12 stuff..pointing to depression. I really

swear I doubt the levels that they find " normal range " for some of us are

really normal.

http://www.island.net/~ipincott/article64.htm

Sherra

Re: Another reason to have B-12 shots?

> Funny thing is... My B-12 level was very high coming in at 1280 and

> the doc took me off the sublingual daily and put me on once a week

> to bring it down. Lately I do seem to feel a drop in energy and

> dealing with emotions. I sometimes wonder if the higher level is

> just plain better for some of us.

>

> Carol G.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Yeah, but: all my lab scores are well within normal ranges, and

> I'm STILL

> > depressed. Diet may contribute, but there's gotta be other stuff

> at work too.

> >

> > Carol A

> > ----------------------------------------------

> >

> > In a message dated 12/7/2003 7:47:20 AM Central Standard Time,

> > sherra4@p... writes:

> >

> > > It amazes me how all these vitamins are responsible for so

> much. B12,

> > > folic

> > > acid, iron are a combo that if out of line with each other,

> can cause

> > > depression. Also calcium and magnesium and potassium is another

> combo that

> > > if out of line with each other, can cause depression. Diet has

> a lot to do

> > > with depression.

> > >

> > > All the more reason it's important to get blood work done so you

> can be

> > > aware of any deficiencies.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> i do not understand, how do these vitamins/minerals combine to cause

depression and what order do u take them in to avoid that?

thanks janice

>

> Date: 2003/12/07 Sun AM 08:51:50 EST

> To: " Ziobro " ,

> <Graduate-OSSG >,

> <OSSG-Protein >,

> " Dave Summer "

> Subject: Re: Another reason to have B-12 shots?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've had two separate episodes of clinical depression. As it goes, the

succeeding episodes get progressively worse, which was my experience. The last

episode was probably the most excruciating period of my life, exacerbated by

the fact that I refused medication. Actually, I refused all treatment. As a

result, I visited my hell on everyone around me. What you say, Fay, is 100%

accurate. You can't talk about diet to someone who isn't even interested in

bathing themselves. Or breathing. Well, eventually I sort of slipped out

of the depression and recovered after time, but I suffered needlessly and

longer than I would have had to if I had sought medical help. So I promised

both

myself and my husband that if I ever felt myself slipping back again, I would

RUN for help. This is did a few months back, and I am being treated, and I

thank science every day for chemicals! LOL! Plus, I was lucky to find a

great therapist. And I have a very loving and devoted husband & family.

Still, I am working at it. You're bleeding analogy is right on target. I

figure we got enough problems maintaining iron levels, we need to conserve our

blood. Take the meds, fix the diet later!

Lucille

In a message dated 12/9/2003 9:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

> In a message dated 12/9/2003 2:16:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> sherra4@... writes:

> It just amazes me that when someone is depressed, a lot of doctors do not

> even bother with a blood test, they shoot from the hip and start prescribing

> ==========================================

>

> Not to be argumentative (smile). But I have never met a doc who didn't do

> blood work first. But, with depression it is most important to get people

> moving as soon as possible and finding the right med, for now is through

> trial and

> error. You cannot discuss diet or anything else with a depressed person.

> It

> is like stopping the bleeding for an injured person. You must stop the

> bleeding before you can fix anything else. My 2 cents.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk -

>