Re: is vitamen water zero legal?

[Guest guest]

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I don't think it is legal.Natural sweeteners can mean anything.Even a little bit

of illegal can feed a lot of bacteria. For those concerned about carbs- you can

dilute the grape juice.

I would want to know exactly what the " natural sweeteners " are.

PJ

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> It says it has less than 1 gram of sugar and all natural sweeteners. I can't

believe its worse than grape juice which has 29 grams of sugar.

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> SCD 8 days

> Diagnosed 5/10 colitis

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[Guest guest]

PJ,

Thanks for the response.

The sweetener in the drink is crystalline fructose. Crystalline fructose

is nearly 100% fructose but also about 20 to 30 times sweeter than High

Fructose Corn Syrup. In Grape Juice, the main sugars are both glucose and

fructose and they are present in LARGE quantities. 29+ grams. Even though

glucose is easily absorbed, 29 grams is still a lot and will still feed

bacteria. Vitamin Water Zero has 0 calories. and less than 1 gram of

sugar. I cant see how LESS THAN 1 gram of sugar can be worse than 29g even

if those 29 grams were pure glucose(which they're not).

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> ,

> I don't think it is legal.Natural sweeteners can mean anything.Even a

> little bit of illegal can feed a lot of bacteria. For those concerned

> about carbs- you can dilute the grape juice.

>

> I would want to know exactly what the " natural sweeteners " are.

>

> PJ

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>> It says it has less than 1 gram of sugar and all natural sweeteners. I

>> can't believe its worse than grape juice which has 29 grams of sugar.

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>> SCD 8 days

>> Diagnosed 5/10 colitis

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I see your point. One of the issues is that Elaine Gottschall is no longer alive

and can not decide if new products are compatible with the diet she developed. I

don't know what the solution to this is. I know that I am not one of the

moderators or experts on SCD, so I could not address this.

In general- we stick to the original plans. Vitamin Water is a relatively new

product. Perhaps there will be a comittee one day that will speak to this issue.

Until then, we stay with foods that have been certified as legal to get the best

results possible.

PJ

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> >> It says it has less than 1 gram of sugar and all natural sweeteners. I

> >> can't believe its worse than grape juice which has 29 grams of sugar.

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> >> SCD 8 days

> >> Diagnosed 5/10 colitis

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[Guest guest]

PJ,

I appreciate the response. I guess it's essentially up to our body's to

determine if something questionable is legal or illegal. I guess if an

added food is tolerated over the longterm then its probably, ok. The main

idea of this diet from what i understand is to drastically reduce carb

intake and eat natural non processed foods, thus promoting the healing

process. Ill look into it more but the logic of the situation has me in

favor of using this drink in small doses. Just like honey which I recently

found contains 9% Sucrose/Maltsoe. Maybe thats why some people fail on

this diet. They over indulge on " legal " things because they cant kick the

habit of their old addictions.

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SCD day 9

> Hi ,

> I see your point. One of the issues is that Elaine Gottschall is no longer

> alive and can not decide if new products are compatible with the diet she

> developed. I don't know what the solution to this is. I know that I am not

> one of the moderators or experts on SCD, so I could not address this.

>

> In general- we stick to the original plans. Vitamin Water is a relatively

> new product. Perhaps there will be a comittee one day that will speak to

> this issue. Until then, we stay with foods that have been certified as

> legal to get the best results possible.

>

> PJ

>

>

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>> >> It says it has less than 1 gram of sugar and all natural sweeteners.

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>> >> can't believe its worse than grape juice which has 29 grams of sugar.

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>> >> SCD 8 days

>> >> Diagnosed 5/10 colitis

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[Guest guest]

Yes, there are people who adapt things to the diet. What the moderators here adk

is that if any time things are not working for you, please don't say " SCD does

not work " if you have not been strictly adhering to it, because using anything

not legal is not the original SCD..

If at any time you do not improve, it is best to eliminate any non legal SCD

foods.

PJ

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[Guest guest]

oh, and also not to discuss your personal use of illegals on this board in order

not to mislead people new to SCD. It may work for you but not for others. The

moderators can not recommend using it.

This board is dedicated to following the original SCD. It's not that we are not

open to thinking for ourselves- quite the contrary here- but that we want the

results of the diet as originally created and are here to help others do the

same.

Hope you make good progress,

PJ

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[Guest guest]

At 11:08 PM 9/5/2010, you wrote:

It says it has less than 1 gram

of sugar and all natural sweeteners. I can't believe its worse than grape

juice which has 29 grams of sugar.

" All natural " does not mean SCD-legal.

What kind of sweeteners?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

At 08:46 AM 9/6/2010, you wrote:

The sweetener in the drink is

crystalline fructose. Crystalline fructose

is nearly 100% fructose but also about 20 to 30 times sweeter than

High

Fructose Corn Syrup.

Which means they've done something to it to make it that sweet. I'll be

blunt: It's your body, if you want to drink the stuff, it's your game. I

don't trust processed expensive junk. If, however, you choose to use it

and you are not seeing progress with SCD the way you would like, then I

would suggest yanking the Vitamin Water.

Personally, I wouldn't touch it. I'd rather have diluted grape

juice.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

At 10:32 AM 9/6/2010, you wrote:

The main

idea of this diet from what i understand is to drastically reduce carb

intake and eat natural non processed foods, thus promoting the healing

process.

No. SCD is not a low carbohydrate diet. It is the SPECIFIC carbohydrate

diet. We ingest primarily monosaccharides. We eliminate as many of the

non-legal carbs as possible. We do not necessarily eliminate them all,

particularly if they are in a whole food, which the crystalline fructose

in Vitamin Water is not.

If you choose to use this product, please do not say that " SCD

doesn't work, " if you have issues. This board is dedicated to SCD

the way Elaine Gottschall wrote about it.

I happen to have a supplement which is not SCD legal. I discussed it with

Elaine, and we concluded that the benefits outweighed the problems,

though she cautioned me that my healing would take longer with it. She

was right. I don't, however, mention the supplement by name on the

board.

The fact is, you don't NEED Vitamin Water. You WANT it. Elaine used

to throw up her hands when people kept coming up with reasons why this or

that commercial product was great.

BTW, Larabars will no longer be sold on Digestive Wellness. And, in a

discussion with Lucy, of Lucy's Kitchen Shop, she said that whenever she

talks to someone who is having issues, the first thing she asks is if the

person has been eating Larabars. If they have, she tells them to

stop.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

But

also remember that extracted elements are always more problematic than whole

food sources. Extracting one element/ingredient means not getting all the

surrounding enzymes and biochemicals from the plant/fruit that work synergistically.

Problematic meaning triggering intolerances, potentially damaging over the long

term, perhaps even causing a toxic overload on body systems.

In

general, chemically speaking, it is usually better to stick to whole food

sources for various biochemicals.

Since

Elaine isn’t here to give us her opinion on this drink, it is a “use

at your own risk.” As a moderator I recommend not using it, as it is

not SCD-legal. If you aren’t healing, or begin to suffer new or

worse symptoms, then stop using this drink.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

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The

sweetener in the drink is crystalline fructose. Crystalline fructose

is nearly 100% fructose but also about 20 to 30 times sweeter than High

Fructose Corn Syrup. In Grape Juice, the main sugars are both glucose and

fructose and they are present in LARGE quantities. 29+ grams. Even though

glucose is easily absorbed, 29 grams is still a lot and will still feed

bacteria. Vitamin Water Zero has 0 calories. and less than 1 gram of

sugar. I cant see how LESS THAN 1 gram of sugar can be worse than 29g even

if those 29 grams were pure glucose(which they're not).