Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/2004 1:54:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, beau2fulspirit@... writes: I recently watched a presentation on HSN for a carnitine product. The speakers noted that carnitine was essential for helping burn fat while you work out. ================================ I guess some of us are still looking for a magic pill and actually watching the snake oil pitches. Fay Bayuk **300/168 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Click for My Profile http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 In a message dated 1/8/2004 4:49:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, FBayuk writes: I guess some of us are still looking for a magic pill and actually watching the snake oil pitches. ================================================= Some Lady reminded me that this post sounds a bit harsh. I am including myself when I talk about looking for a magic pill. But, mostly, I get so angry that the sellers are allowed to make these unsubstantiated pitches. Thankfully, the Food and Drug Administration is cutting down on these false miracle claims. When science comes out with something that works, it will be blasted to the ends of the earth. Just like Viagra. Smile. Again, to the poster, please accept my apology if I was too smart mouthed in my reply. Fay Bayuk **300/168 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Click for My Profile http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 The following article from the Atkins.com website suggests " L-Carnitine " to aid people whose weightloss has slowed to help give a boost. ~~~ http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/11/30-273880.html If your weight loss has slowed, you may want to consider some of the following options. Occasionally, a nutritional shortcoming can lower your metabolism and increase your resistance to weight loss. If you're unable to lose weight or your progress is slow or nearly nonexistent, you may want to consider certain nutrients that can help break up a weight-loss logjam. The first is L-carnitine, which is involved in fat transport. When carnitine is deficient, overweight people have difficulty getting into lipolysis and the secondary process of ketosis. As a nutrient, carnitine has been used to correct cardiomyopathy, help stabilize heart rhythm, lower triglyceride levels and increase HDL (the " good " cholesterol)1. For these conditions, the dosage ranges between 1,000 and 2,000 mg daily. For weight loss, a typical dose is 1,500 mg. Another weight-loss aid is Co-enzyme Q10 (CoQ10), which plays an important role in heart function. It is often prescribed for people over 40, usually in a dose of 100 mg. a day. Since it works in collaboration with carnitine and chromium to mobilize fat, it is also useful for someone aiming to slim down. One Belgian study by Luc Van Gaal, M.D., reported on obese patients with deficient levels of CoQ10 who experienced significant weight loss after taking the nutrient. Van Gaal used 100 mg. daily in that research.2 So the basic supplementation during weight-loss phases of Atkins (and, if desired, in Lifetime Maintenance) consists of: Basic #3 Formula. Recommended daily dosage: take three times. Chromium. Recommended daily dosage: up to 1,000 mcg, but be sure to count the amount of chromium contained in your dosage of the Basic #3 Formula. Selected References Ferrari, R., Cucchini, F., Visioli, O., et al., " The Metabolic Effects of L-Carnitine in Angina Pectoris, " International Journal of Cardiology, 5, 1984, pages 213-216. Van Gaal, L., de Leeuw, I.D., Vadhanavikit, S., et al., " Exploratory Study of Coenzyme Q10 in Obesity " 1984, Biomedical and Clinical Aspects of Coenzyme Q10,Folkers, K., Yamamura, Y. (editors), Elsevier Science Publishers, Amsterdam, 4th Edition, pages 369-373. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Carnitine is a very popular supplement amongst the bodybuilding and weightlifting community. I am told, by some very reliable people (not sales) that it actually does work. There are several caveats. You really need to be working out diligently and hard, combining that with proper nutrition and rest. Although I do not use it, according to the directions, you need to take a great deal of it for the first two weeks, then you reduce the amount to a maintenance level. I should also add, it is rather expensive, and IMHO just not worth the price. The amount of muscle gain or loss of fat is small, but for a competitive bodybuilder it might be worth it. For me, it just isn't worth the price. There is also another caveat to it. Carnitine also has a tendency to irritate the stomach and cause bloating and some nausea. And that's for people with a normal digestive system. With our rearranged insides, very little stomach acid, and shorted absorption sites, I just don't know how effective it would be, and I will not experiment. There is a pill form, but the powder form is preferred. Then of course it's another shake type thing several times a day. I just added a few pounds of muscle from heavy weightlifting, lots of protein, water, and a little more rest than I though I needed. While it is an effective supplement, carnitine is not a magic pill, and exists naturally in many animal proteins that we would normally eat. Stick with good old fashioned hard lifting and lots of good quality protein. For a very complete answer to your question go to: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa53.htm http://www.bodybuilding.com is a great site for nutritional and supplement information. Lap RNY 150 cm 11/18/02 415/235 BMI 50/28 Dr. Oliak, Orange, CA Cover boy at: www.coastalobesity.com ********************************************** Here's my question - is carnitine something we (as gastric bypass patients) can benefit from? Can it harm us? I recently watched a presentation on HSN for a carnitine product. The speakers noted that carnitine was essential for helping burn fat while you work out. I'm not quite sure I understand what carnitine is all about or how it can help or hurt us. Your thoughts? Thanks. ===== Cincinnati Open RNY 12/17/01 Pre-op 335 Current 165 In a message dated 1/8/2004 1:54:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, beau2fulspirit@... writes: I recently watched a presentation on HSN for a carnitine product. The speakers noted that carnitine was essential for helping burn fat while you work out. ================================ I guess some of us are still looking for a magic pill and actually watching the snake oil pitches. Fay Bayuk **300/168 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Click for My Profile http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 In a message dated 1/12/2004 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, beau2fulspirit@... writes: Fay, I'm the original poster. This is the first chance I've had to check mail since posting that e-mail. I wasn't offended, actually. I've been a member of this list for well over a year and try not to be sensitive to the responses some posts receive, including mine. I've found the people on this list to actually be very good-hearted and simply trying to help, including you. ============================= How can you possibly be so sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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