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A big ditto from me! As long as you're taking in sufficient fluids other

than those containing caffeine, I don't see the need for such excessive

orthodoxy as to completely eliminate caffeine if it is a pleasure in your life,

as it

is in mine (in moderation, meaning 's two cuppas in the AM).

BTW Carol!!!! I have read recently that studies seem to indicate that

moderate consumption of caffeine seems to BOOST exercise

endurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a morning 2 cupper and also a morning exerciser, and I can absolutely

attest that on those mornings where I have tried, for whatever reasons, to

exercise sans my caffeine, I have DEFINATELY dragged ass, and the workouts were

more of a struggle, and I felt like I didn't have the kick I usually have.

Not scientific, I know, but convincing enough for me, and now seemingly backed

up by " studies. " So now, in the AMs, as I greedily slurp down my java, I

think of it as necessary fuel for my exercise engine (yep it works for me LMAO!)

Lucille

In a message dated 2/9/2004 9:30:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

> Tina, I don't care what anyone says...I won't give up my coffee,

> either! I have 2 cups first thing in the AM, that's it, then an hour

> or 2 later, my first shake. Also, it's probably not a good idea to

> shock the body too much at once. Caffeine withdrawal can be wicked,

> and on top of carb & sugar withdrawal...a bit too much, IMO. I say

> don't worry about it, and good luck on the feast!

>

> in NJ

>

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Tina,

I have given up sugar.

I have given up refined carbs (all the breads I love.)

I have given up all carbonated beverages.

I am a Christian that tries to glorify God with my life the best I

can by living honorably...so I don't smoke, drink (wine now and then)

or hang out with men that are not my husband.

That said...

I drink 2 mugs of coffee a day.

Strong, hot and caffeinated.

I recognize that there are times I get some food cravings after I

have the coffee (and that there are toxins in caffeine) so I make

sure I water load.

I have just come to realize that there are some things I am not

willing to give up. My cup of coffee with my quiet time in the

morning is one of those little things that gives me pleasure.

This is just a long way of saying, " I understand. "

Carol G

goal

> O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days

I'd like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able

to have my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm

driving through Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my

system of carbs and SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water

intake and have started yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice,

but please, please, please don't get on me for the coffee drinking.

I know some people will get on me (even the Sheriff is on my case),

but with school right now, this is my comfort source.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

>

>

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BTW... I have done quite a few Protein Feasts that included my

coffee.

Protein shakes (up to 6 of them.)

water

vitamins

water

Sometimes a piece of cheese or fish if I feel something solid is

needed (never beef)

water

Sometimes a protein bar if I feel something sweet tasting is needed.

(cut into three pieces and consumed at 3 different times.)

water

Always with good results.

Hang in there and let me know how you feel after you finish

your " feast " !

Carol G

> O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days

I'd like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able

to have my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm

driving through Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my

system of carbs and SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water

intake and have started yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice,

but please, please, please don't get on me for the coffee drinking.

I know some people will get on me (even the Sheriff is on my case),

but with school right now, this is my comfort source.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

>

>

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Tina, I don't care what anyone says...I won't give up my coffee,

either! I have 2 cups first thing in the AM, that's it, then an hour

or 2 later, my first shake. Also, it's probably not a good idea to

shock the body too much at once. Caffeine withdrawal can be wicked,

and on top of carb & sugar withdrawal...a bit too much, IMO. I say

don't worry about it, and good luck on the feast!

in NJ

*************************

> O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days

I'd like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able

to have my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm driving

through Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my system of

carbs and SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water intake and have

started yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice, but please,

please, please don't get on me for the coffee drinking. I know some

people will get on me (even the Sheriff is on my case), but with

school right now, this is my comfort source.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

>

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I personally think it depends on what you put in your coffee. Some

artificial sweetners (primarily the blue and pink stuff) can cause

cravings for carbs so you may want to try your coffee with splenda. The

other thing is that if you add milk or half and half, you may want to

stop that for a few days. Otherwise, I would say have your cup of wakeup

juices. I certainly would prefer you on caffeine and alive. NO SLEEPING

AT THE WHEEL. I can say this because I am notorious for falling asleep

at the wheel. Not a good thing.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:30:54 -0800 " Ron & Tina Torrey "

writes:

> O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

> before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days

> I'd like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able

> to have my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm

> driving through Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my

> system of carbs and SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water

> intake and have started yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice,

> but please, please, please don't get on me for the coffee drinking.

> I know some people will get on me (even the Sheriff is on my case),

> but with school right now, this is my comfort source.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

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Tina,

Drink your coffee... You do so well in every other department that I

really don't think you should feel guilty about a singular pleasure.

Especially if you're getting enough water and not putting milk or a

whole bunch of other junk into your java. Tell Ron to LAY OFF, because

Joanne says it's not nice to nag people. LOL

There's my opinion... And I live near Seattle and don't even LIKE

coffee!! Can't believe they haven't shipped me out... If I haven't' been

converted in almost 6 years, I probably never will be. :-)

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01

http://www.ziobro.us

Protein feast

O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days I'd

like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able to have

my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm driving through

Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my system of carbs and

SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water intake and have started

yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice, but please, please, please

don't get on me for the coffee drinking. I know some people will get on

me (even the Sheriff is on my case), but with school right now, this is

my comfort source.

Thanks.

Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

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Amen to that!

We give up so much for this way of life, I don't think an indulgence such as

coffee is going to derail anyone. The only downside I could see is the diuretic

effect among other things, that coffee supposedly has on the body.

For me? If I want to have a s/f chai tea in the morning, made with a tea bag,

sweetened with artificial sweetener I'm gonna have it, plain and simple.

> > O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

> before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days

> I'd like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able

> to have my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm

> driving through Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my

> system of carbs and SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water

> intake and have started yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice,

> but please, please, please don't get on me for the coffee drinking.

> I know some people will get on me (even the Sheriff is on my case),

> but with school right now, this is my comfort source.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

> >

> >

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----- Original Message -----

> For me? If I want to have a s/f chai tea in the morning, made with a tea

bag,

> sweetened with artificial sweetener I'm gonna have it, plain and simple.

I try to avoid caffeine as much as possible, and have discovered the

absolutely most *delicious* naturally caffeine-free tea. It's called

Rooibos, and there are a number of sources on the internet for it. It is not

truly a tea, but tastes very much like a very flavorful black tea, and it's

loaded with antioxidants and other goodies. I have it with Splenda and feel

like a queen!

---

365/194/160

Lap RnY, Distal - Dr. s

Vanderbilt University Hospital

Surgery date June 3, 2002

LBL, TT & Brachioplasty Feb. 4, 2004

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> BTW Carol!!!! I have read recently that studies seem to indicate

that

> moderate consumption of caffeine seems to BOOST exercise

endurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree with that research! I am much more motivated to hit

the treadmill for an hour if I had my caffeine. I can lift with or

without it but the cardio seems to come easier and work better with

some caffeine in me. It heightens my metabolism and I burn more

cals. No one should try this that has any history of heart problems.

I limit my caffeine to 2 cups a day and stick with decaf the rest of

the day.

Sometimes just a cup of decaf with some English toffee SF syrup in

it at night is all I need to sip while watching TV (if I don't crash

and burn first!) It satisfies my urge for something sweet. I am

very mindful of the cals/carbs in creamers and use them sparingly.

Carol

Glad you are looking sleek these days ;)

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Actually, it's kind of funny, but I've never really liked the taste of coffee,

so what I put in it is mocha-mix and SF syrup (kahluah or irish cream), but just

enough to make it tan colored.

Tina

Re: Protein feast

I personally think it depends on what you put in your coffee. Some

artificial sweetners (primarily the blue and pink stuff) can cause

cravings for carbs so you may want to try your coffee with splenda. The

other thing is that if you add milk or half and half, you may want to

stop that for a few days. Otherwise, I would say have your cup of wakeup

juices. I certainly would prefer you on caffeine and alive. NO SLEEPING

AT THE WHEEL. I can say this because I am notorious for falling asleep

at the wheel. Not a good thing.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:30:54 -0800 " Ron & Tina Torrey "

writes:

> O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

> before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days

> I'd like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able

> to have my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm

> driving through Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my

> system of carbs and SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water

> intake and have started yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice,

> but please, please, please don't get on me for the coffee drinking.

> I know some people will get on me (even the Sheriff is on my case),

> but with school right now, this is my comfort source.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

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Thank you and everyone else for helping me get through this first day.

Actually I can honestly say that I fell off the wagon. I could not make it a

full 24 hours. In fact, I only made it until 5 p.m. when I started eating

veggies. Yes, they were good, but now I want popcorn (air popped of course),

but I guess I can't complain since I have had 7 shakes so far today and lots of

water (to include peeing all day long.......)

Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

Protein feast

O.K. everyone.....I need some advice. I know that I've done this

before, but have a question regarding the protein feast. For 3 days I'd

like to do a protein feast, my question is would I still be able to have

my 1 cup of coffee that I do in the morning while I'm driving through

Seattle rush hour traffic? I'd like to cleanse my system of carbs and

SF junk.....I'm going to increase my water intake and have started

yesterday. Hopefully I can get some advice, but please, please, please

don't get on me for the coffee drinking. I know some people will get on

me (even the Sheriff is on my case), but with school right now, this is

my comfort source.

Thanks.

Tina (jelly bean toes) & Sheriff too!!

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You sound like my kinda gal. I HATE coffee. Never did acquire a taste

for it so that actually sounds kind of good.

Lori O.

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:14:49 -0800 " Ron & Tina Torrey "

writes:

Actually, it's kind of funny, but I've never really liked the taste of

coffee, so what I put in it is mocha-mix and SF syrup (kahluah or irish

cream), but just enough to make it tan colored.

Tina

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