Re: Too much protein?

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

How about baked squash with butter and honey, maybe some cinnamon. Does he like

acorn or butternut squash? Those are good and not high protein. I also cut up

butternut squash into fries and bake them, sprinkled with some salt and cinnamon

and they're yummy. You could add a drizzle of olive oil for extra calories.

Bananas are a higher calorie fruit, but he may already be eating those. Or if he

can handle dried fruit, raisins are highly caloric and low protein. Really any

legal dried fruit would be a dense calorie source. Those could be some snacks. I

like an apple with nut butter or a banana with nut butter. Even though the nut

butters have protein in they, they are mostly fat.

Can he eat beans? I know those have a decent amount of protein, but they're a

good carb and calorie source.

You could add more fats to his meals if they fit, like butter, olive oil,

coconut oil etc. for calories.

I was/am into fitness and have read that you don't need to be that concerned

about a higher protein intake unless you have a pre-existing kidney condition,

but I'm not sure how your sister-in-law feels about that.

Hopefully those are somewhat helpful tips, and I'm sure the veterans will be

along to help you with more ideas.

Take care,

Amber

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> My 15 year old son has been on SCD for a little over a year. He can't do much

dairy, so he's somewhat limited in food choices. My sister in law, who is a

pediatric nurse, is very concerned that he's getting too much protein and that

it will damage his kidneys. At 15, he's an eating machine, especially during

football season.

>

> He eats large quantities of chicken, turkey, beef and sometimes fish, eggs,

small amounts of cheese, nuts in the form of nut butter brownies and nut flour

muffins and then fruits and vegetables. I don't know what to feed him to get

enough calories without it being high protein. Even his " bread " , like everyone

else's on here, is made with egg whites, which are high protein. I occasionally

make some " white chocolate " candy with cocoa butter and honey. I also make

" chips " from chicken skin and fruit smoothies, but these are the only snacks I

can think of that the calories come from fat and carbs.

>

> Are others concerned about too much protein? Am I missing some source of

calories that isn't high in protein? (He doesn't like avacodos, sadly.)

>

> Thanks!

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

Amber,

Thanks for the response. He doesn't like squash, but I do bake carrots with

butter and honey and cinnamon. He'll eat half a pound that way. I will make the

squash fries - haven't done that for a long time. I seriously might deep fry

them to get him some extra calories! Wait, is that legal? I don't usually fry

anything...

He eats bananas, but is getting tired of them. I put them into his smoothies

frozen. He can't seem to handle dried fruit right now. He loves it, but a little

fruit leather once in a while is all he can tolerate. We cut out Lara Bars

because he seemed to be reacting to them.

Almond butter makes him gag now, so I have to bake it into things. He didn't

handle peanut butter at all when we tried and doesn't even want to try it again,

even though it's been 6 months.

Beans were a disaster, even though he loves them. He's afraid to try them again

because it was pretty traumatic.

I'm trying to get him to put butter on everything. He's not crazy about coconut

oil, although I sometimes sautee things in it. I add fat wherever I can!

I'm into fitness and nutrition too, and have heard mixed opinions about the

protein issue. I don't want to find out the hard way that he has a kidney

problem.

Thanks again for responding! Butternut squash fries on the menu for tomorrow!

Liz

[Guest guest]

Hey Liz- as long as he getting plenty of fruits and veggies with his proteins

(sounds like it), I think he's eating a pretty well balanced diet! Sometimes I

think people automatically think that all you eat is protein when you tell them

you are cutting out all carbs- but the reality is that SCD is very well balanced

and a perfectly healthy way to eat!

Oh, and frying the squash is perfectly legal- yum!

-Joanna

SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 20mg prednisone

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>

> I'm into fitness and nutrition too, and have heard mixed opinions about the

protein issue. I don't want to find out the hard way that he has a kidney

problem.

>

> Thanks again for responding! Butternut squash fries on the menu for tomorrow!

>

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

Liz

Have you tried any of the winter squashes, really really disguised? I

found I didn't care for them until I started really adding plenty of

butter, cinnamon, and a bit of honey. Sort of turns it into dessert but

when I do, I like it. Not otherwise. It would be rather like you are

doing the carrots. Ginger is nice, too.

Thanks for the response. He doesn't like squash, but I do bake

carrots with butter and honey and cinnamon.

[Guest guest]

Liz,I would slip coconut oil and butter into as many things as possible -- like smoothies and into the yogurt if he can eat that. You can make yogurt with cream instead of milk and put that into smoothies as well if he can tolerate it. You can slip avocado into a smoothie that someone gave me and you can not taste it at all:1 ripe avocado1.5 cups fresh pineapple1.5 cups orange juice1 tbsp honey2 tsp lime juice1/4 tsp coconut flavoring (or just use coconut oil/cream)It is really lovely and will be a great start to the day or as a snack after school/activitiesAmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 11:19:00 PMSubject: Too much protein?

My 15 year old son has been on SCD for a little over a year. He can't do much dairy, so he's somewhat limited in food choices. My sister in law, who is a pediatric nurse, is very concerned that he's getting too much protein and that it will damage his kidneys. At 15, he's an eating machine, especially during football season.

He eats large quantities of chicken, turkey, beef and sometimes fish, eggs, small amounts of cheese, nuts in the form of nut butter brownies and nut flour muffins and then fruits and vegetables. I don't know what to feed him to get enough calories without it being high protein. Even his "bread", like everyone else's on here, is made with egg whites, which are high protein. I occasionally make some "white chocolate" candy with cocoa butter and honey. I also make "chips" from chicken skin and fruit smoothies, but these are the only snacks I can think of that the calories come from fat and carbs.

Are others concerned about too much protein? Am I missing some source of calories that isn't high in protein? (He doesn't like avacodos, sadly.)

Thanks!

Liz

[Guest guest]

Have you tried the carrot curls recipe on pecanbread. Its thin sliced carrots (I use the foodprocessor because I find it's not worth it to make less than five pounds at a time) fried in oil until they turn the color of bacon. Salt to taste. They are delicious. MaraLizHave you tried any of the winter squashes, really really disguised? I found I didn't care for them until I started really adding plenty of butter, cinnamon, and a bit of honey. Sort of turns it into dessert but when I do, I like it. Not otherwise. It would be rather like you are doing the carrots. Ginger is nice, too.Thanks for the response. He doesn't like squash, but I do bake carrots with butter and honey and cinnamon.

[Guest guest]

Hey Mara.. I love the carrot curls as well but too much work for so little out come... How do you do this in a food processor? What processor do you have?

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 11:11:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: Too much protein?

Have you tried the carrot curls recipe on pecanbread. Its thin sliced carrots (I use the food processor because I find it's not worth it to make less than five pounds at a time) fried in

oil until they turn the color of bacon. Salt to taste. They are delicious.

Mara

LizHave you tried any of the winter squashes, really really disguised? I found I didn't care for them until I started really adding plenty of butter, cinnamon, and a bit of honey. Sort of turns it into dessert but when I do, I like it. Not otherwise. It would be rather like you are doing the carrots. Ginger is nice, too.

Thanks for the response. He doesn't like squash, but I do bake carrots with butter and honey and cinnamon.

[Guest guest]

Cuisinart. I have blades that cuts them up really quickly. MaraHey Mara.. I love the carrot curls as well but too much work for so little out come... How do you do this in a food processor? What processor do you have?To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 11:11:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: Too much protein?Have you tried the carrot curls recipe on pecanbread. Its thin sliced carrots (I use the foodprocessor because I find it's not worth it to make less than five pounds at a time) fried in oil until they turn the color of bacon. Salt to taste. They are delicious. MaraLizHave you tried any of the winter squashes, really really disguised? I found I didn't care for them until I started really adding plenty of butter, cinnamon, and a bit of honey. Sort of turns it into dessert but when I do, I like it. Not otherwise. It would be rather like you are doing the carrots. Ginger is nice, too.Thanks for the response. He doesn't like squash, but I do bake carrots with butter and honey and cinnamon.

[Guest guest]

I don't think you should worry yourself about your sister in laws' concerns. The

idea that too much protein causes kidney damage is unproven dogma. Same goes

with the idea that reducing protein can extend life in humans- the Sardinians

are some of the oldest lived people on the planet and eat plenty of meat (see

link below). Your sister in law could always prove this wrong by providing some

evidence to support her position of course. Here's what Elaine said about this:

" The idea that excessive protein intake may lead to development of, or aggravate

already existing hypertension or that it may cause toxic complications of

pregnancy HAS BEEN ABANDONED (caps mine). The assumption that protein foods, due

to its specific dynamic effect, may adversely influence the course of febrile

diseases also proved to be false. The idea that large amounts of protein may

damage the kidneys or liver has never been supported by observations in man

(emphasis mine). Even the exclusion of protein from the diet of people with

developed liver or kidney damage is an obsolete practice. More recent studies

have shown that diets containing ample amounts of protein very often improve the

healing tendency in liver or kidney diseases. Discussion goes on about special

cases like PKU, cystinuria. etc. "

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/specific_carbohydrate_\

not_low_carbohydrate.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7250675.stm

>

> My 15 year old son has been on SCD for a little over a year. He can't do much

dairy, so he's somewhat limited in food choices. My sister in law, who is a

pediatric nurse, is very concerned that he's getting too much protein and that

it will damage his kidneys. At 15, he's an eating machine, especially during

football season.

>

> He eats large quantities of chicken, turkey, beef and sometimes fish, eggs,

small amounts of cheese, nuts in the form of nut butter brownies and nut flour

muffins and then fruits and vegetables. I don't know what to feed him to get

enough calories without it being high protein. Even his " bread " , like everyone

else's on here, is made with egg whites, which are high protein. I occasionally

make some " white chocolate " candy with cocoa butter and honey. I also make

" chips " from chicken skin and fruit smoothies, but these are the only snacks I

can think of that the calories come from fat and carbs.

>

> Are others concerned about too much protein? Am I missing some source of

calories that isn't high in protein? (He doesn't like avacodos, sadly.)

>

> Thanks!

> Liz

>

[Guest guest]

> My 15 year old son has been on SCD for a little over a year. He can't do much

dairy, so he's somewhat limited in food choices. My sister in law, who is a

pediatric nurse, is very concerned that he's getting too much protein and that

it will damage his kidneys. At 15, he's an eating machine, especially during

football season.

>

> He eats large quantities of chicken, turkey, beef and sometimes fish, eggs,

small amounts of cheese, nuts in the form of nut butter brownies and nut flour

muffins and then fruits and vegetables. I don't know what to feed him to get

enough calories without it being high protein. Even his " bread " , like everyone

else's on here, is made with egg whites, which are high protein. I occasionally

make some " white chocolate " candy with cocoa butter and honey. I also make

" chips " from chicken skin and fruit smoothies, but these are the only snacks I

can think of that the calories come from fat and carbs.

>

> Are others concerned about too much protein? Am I missing some source of

calories that isn't high in protein? (He doesn't like avacodos, sadly.)

Hey Liz!

Elaine's granola chew recipe is very good (p. 151 in my version) and fattening

I'm sure.

For a non dairy version, I subbed the butter for cocoa butter. You could

always add fewer nuts and more chopped dried fruit to it - like dates or

apricots, etc.

Just a suggestion.

Mara

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone who has responded! I am trying to add more fat and I'll

not worry about too much protein unless he shows symptoms of kidney problems or

something. You have given me some good ideas!

Thanks again,

Liz