Re: Do I stop Progesterone before doing the diet?

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Is it in pill form or a cream you rub on? If it's a cream, it shouldn't matter

because your not ingesting it. A pill form could have added fillers. Katy

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Carissa,It is entirely possible that since you have a long term illness like uc/crohns, you have worn out your adrenal glands. When this happens, your body it can 'steal' your progesterone from it's original purpose (balancing estrogen) and convert it into another hormone/steroid that your body needs (and your adrenals aren't making because they are too tired). Progesterone is special that way -- it is called a pre-cursor hormone and can be 'morphed' into several other hormones/steroids because of it. I would continue the progesterone in cream form for now, but I would definitely get your adrenal glands checked to see if they are functioning in full form -- 4 saliva samples in 24 hours, not just the standard one blood draw test. The good news is that once you

start to heal and your adrenals (if they are lagging) are doing better, you might not need the progesterone any longer. In the mean time, try adding an electrolyte drink and some extra salt into your diet -- keeping the sodium and potassium (and magnesium) balanced in your body/cells is important and the salt is good for the adrenals.AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 6:09:05 AMSubject: Do I stop Progesterone before doing the diet?

I do progesterone every night (I'm SUPER cranky without it!), but was wondering if I should stop once beginning the diet? I don't want to be all irritable and mean without it, but I also don't want to take anything that could hinder the diet from working 100%. Anyone go through this as well, and if so, what do I do?

[Guest guest]

It was amazing when I went gluten free. I use bio-identical hormones, pill

form. Immediately when I stopped gluten, my hormones really went haywire. I

had to decrease them immediately!! So now that I'm SCD, I'm hoping to maybe

quit the hormones completely (eventually?).

IBS

SCD 7/14/10

>

> Is it in pill form or a cream you rub on? If it's a cream, it shouldn't

matter because your not ingesting it. A pill form could have added fillers.

Katy

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> 1 Tip for Losing Weight

> Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip

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[Guest guest]

I'm doing a cream.

>

> Is it in pill form or a cream you rub on? If it's a cream, it shouldn't

matter because your not ingesting it. A pill form could have added fillers.

Katy

>

> ____________________________________________________________

> 1 Tip for Losing Weight

> Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip

> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c7ef42ddab679c54bbst06vuc

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Amelia,

I honestly don't know WHAT disease I have. But I DO know I cannot tolerate

gluten or dairy (have done elimination diets) not to mention many other foods

(eggs, rice, soy, etc.). Also, (which this is what is so interesting to me

about what you said...) this past Spring I took the adrenal gland saliva test

and it said that something was off (have to look at my results to remember what

exactly). I saw several specialists, did a lot of tests, and basically in a

nutshell what we discovered was that my cortisol levels were never shutting off

(therefore, like you said, " hogging " the progesterone, so I wasn't getting

enough of it). I had no idea that my gut could be linked to my adrenal glands

though. Can you tell me more about this??? I'm very interested!!! =)

Oh, and yes, I am doing cream form. I did just start my cycle today though.

Should I stop while on my cycle, or just continue through? Any knowledge about

THAT? =)

Thanks!!!

Carissa

>

> Carissa,

>

> It is entirely possible that since you have a long term illness like

uc/crohns,

> you have worn out your adrenal glands. When this happens, your body it can

> 'steal' your progesterone from it's original purpose (balancing estrogen) and

> convert it into another hormone/steroid that your body needs (and your

adrenals

> aren't making because they are too tired). Progesterone is special that way

--

> it is called a pre-cursor hormone and can be 'morphed' into several other

> hormones/steroids because of it.

>

>

> I would continue the progesterone in cream form for now, but I would

definitely

> get your adrenal glands checked to see if they are functioning in full form --

4

> saliva samples in 24 hours, not just the standard one blood draw test. The

> good news is that once you start to heal and your adrenals (if they are

lagging)

> are doing better, you might not need the progesterone any longer. In the mean

> time, try adding an electrolyte drink and some extra salt into your diet --

> keeping the sodium and potassium (and magnesium) balanced in your body/cells

is

> important and the salt is good for the adrenals.

>

> Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 6:09:05 AM

> Subject: Do I stop Progesterone before doing the diet?

>

>

> I do progesterone every night (I'm SUPER cranky without it!), but was

wondering

> if I should stop once beginning the diet? I don't want to be all irritable

and

> mean without it, but I also don't want to take anything that could hinder the

> diet from working 100%. Anyone go through this as well, and if so, what do I

do?

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I've been gluten free since last November, but started the Progesterone

after the birth of my 2nd baby, in January. However I know that I have a lot of

diet/gut issues, so maybe (like the gluten with you) there's something else

affecting it? That's very interesting though what you said. I, too, hope that

I can stop it after doing the SCD for a while! =) Good luck!! And glad the

diet is helping! =)

> >

> > Is it in pill form or a cream you rub on? If it's a cream, it shouldn't

matter because your not ingesting it. A pill form could have added fillers.

Katy

> >

> > ____________________________________________________________

> > 1 Tip for Losing Weight

> > Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip

> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c7ef42ddab679c54bbst06vuc

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Carissa,My understanding of the use of progesterone is that if you are still menstruating, you should only use the progesterone cream starting on the date you normally would ovulate -- so about 2 weeks after your period begins, and continue until your period begins again. It should only be for about 2 weeks out of the month, depending on your normal cycle length. You can tell if you are ovulating by the changes in your -- TMI time so be warned gentlemen! -- mucus discharge. It will slowly become clear, slippery and stretchy. When this happens, you are about to ovulate -- like within about 5 days from the beginning of the changes. It will then abruptly change to nearly nothing for a couple of days -- at this point you are extremely fertile for up to 2 days (so fertile

from the about 5 days of change and then 2 days after). After this, progesterone will stay high for about 2 weeks, then suddenly drop and your period should begin. Knowing all this should help you maintain awareness so that you are not getting too much progesterone, especially at the wrong time.Your gut is linked to much that goes on in your body -- but with gut illness, your body is really taxed in that with inflammation your body is trying to produce extra cortisol, among other things, to control the inflammation. This, along with excess sugar, alcohol, and caffeine consumption, can tire the adrenal glands so that they no longer function properly. If they aren't working well, then this will affect your thyroid (cortisol needed to get the thyroid chemicals into the cells), if thyroid is affected, metabolism is affect, if this is affected, then body temp is affected, when this happens, your enzymes (which are designed to

work best at a normal body temp of 98.6) are not as efficient, this means your food isn't broken down properly, which means you aren't absorbing your nutrients (especially vitamins and minerals) well, which then can't be used to nourish and repair the body -- including the adrenal glands. It then becomes a huge, slow, downward spiral from there. Bad bacteria and yeasts can overgrow more easily from the undigested starch and sugars, which in turn damages the gut lining. Which in turn destroys the good bacterial colonies protecting the gut lining/wall. This then allows foreign invaders (parasitic, bacterial, food proteins) to get past your immune system (of which the good bacteria colonies are your first line of defense). This then allows more ill health, more taxing of the body, less regeneration of the body, and a further slow decline. The body is an amazing creation that is very interconnected. Make sure you

eat well, rest well, play well, and it will be fine, don't keep that balance and then the body will make adjustments to cope, but after a while, that coping mechanism will more pronounced and other things then become affected.The above isn't meant to frighten, just enlighten -- to encourage healthy living. Because you have a gut issue, this is all being made clear to you, think of all those poor people out there that don't have a major issue. They don't have a clue what they are doing to themselves. They are living this slow miserable decline -- and their doctors are calling it 'aging' and giving them medication for the symptoms when simple good food, good play/work, and good rest would do the trick.AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 1:39:11 AMSubject: Re: Do I stop Progesterone before doing the diet?

Hi Amelia,

I honestly don't know WHAT disease I have. But I DO know I cannot tolerate gluten or dairy (have done elimination diets) not to mention many other foods (eggs, rice, soy, etc.). Also, (which this is what is so interesting to me about what you said...) this past Spring I took the adrenal gland saliva test and it said that something was off (have to look at my results to remember what exactly). I saw several specialists, did a lot of tests, and basically in a nutshell what we discovered was that my cortisol levels were never shutting off (therefore, like you said, "hogging" the progesterone, so I wasn't getting enough of it). I had no idea that my gut could be linked to my adrenal glands though. Can you tell me more about this??? I'm very interested!!! =)

Oh, and yes, I am doing cream form. I did just start my cycle today though. Should I stop while on my cycle, or just continue through? Any knowledge about THAT? =)

Thanks!!!

Carissa

>

> Carissa,

>

> It is entirely possible that since you have a long term illness like uc/crohns,

> you have worn out your adrenal glands. When this happens, your body it can

> 'steal' your progesterone from it's original purpose (balancing estrogen) and

> convert it into another hormone/steroid that your body needs (and your adrenals

> aren't making because they are too tired). Progesterone is special that way --

> it is called a pre-cursor hormone and can be 'morphed' into several other

> hormones/steroids because of it.

>

>

> I would continue the progesterone in cream form for now, but I would definitely

> get your adrenal glands checked to see if they are functioning in full form -- 4

> saliva samples in 24 hours, not just the standard one blood draw test. The

> good news is that once you start to heal and your adrenals (if they are lagging)

> are doing better, you might not need the progesterone any longer. In the mean

> time, try adding an electrolyte drink and some extra salt into your diet --

> keeping the sodium and potassium (and magnesium) balanced in your body/cells is

> important and the salt is good for the adrenals.

>

> Amelia

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 6:09:05 AM

> Subject: Do I stop Progesterone before doing the diet?

>

>

> I do progesterone every night (I'm SUPER cranky without it!), but was wondering

> if I should stop once beginning the diet? I don't want to be all irritable and

> mean without it, but I also don't want to take anything that could hinder the

> diet from working 100%. Anyone go through this as well, and if so, what do I do?

>

[Guest guest]

Amelia,

That was a wonderful, clear explanation - thank you!

Suneeti (Crohns, CD 2000)

[Guest guest]

My pleasure. Hope it helps someone!AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 1:08:31 PMSubject: Re: Do I stop Progesterone before doing the diet?

Amelia,

That was a wonderful, clear explanation - thank you!

Suneeti (Crohns, CD 2000)

[Guest guest]

Amelia, that WAS a good description. In short, this is what happens when we

die!! ? The microscopic... and larger ... critters eat us. We're just

trying to stay ahead of the Jonses! ?

<<my cortisol levels were never shutting off (therefore, like you said,

" hogging " the progesterone, so I wasn't getting enough of it). I had no idea

that my gut could be linked to my adrenal glands

though. Can you tell me more about this??? I'm very interested!!! =>>

We're post-menopausal so y'all are younger than we are but my sister and I have

been, and she STILL is being called an " estrogen burners " . A doctor without her

permission stole her ovaries when he was supposed to do a PARTIAL hysterectomy

on her and she's had huge hormonal problems ever since. The reason for the

surgery was a fibroid the doc said was causing lots of bleeding and depression.

She was found to have pretty bad endometriosis so, it occurs to me, maybe they

had to come out? I'm not a doc. Anyway, does anybody have any light to share

on any of this? I did read yesterday that endometriosis has been tied to all

this gut fungus stuff, too. (What hasn't?)

Artful Carol

Former me: From babyhood - CFS, Depression, Candida, Severe Chemical, Inhalant,

and Food Allergies. Current me: Global Carb and Fungal Problems well-controlled

past 30 yr. by extremely low-carb, no dairy, no grains allergy/anti-yeast diet,

SCD 01/05. After 35 yrs. no need for allergy shots since SCD! Magnesium/Vits

A, B, D, E/Evening Primrose, Fish, Olive, and Other Oils, Lecithin. 2 grown kids

recovered from serious developmental problems which I believe were

fungally-caused.

>

> My pleasure. Hope it helps someone!

>

> Amelia>

> ________________________________

>

>

> Amelia,

> That was a wonderful, clear explanation - thank you!

> Suneeti (Crohns, CD 2000)

>

[Guest guest]

Carol,"We're post-menopausal so y'all are younger than we are but my sister and

I have been, and she STILL is being called an "estrogen burners". A doctor without her permission stole her ovaries when he was supposed to do a PARTIAL hysterectomy on her and she's had huge hormonal problems ever since. The reason for the surgery was a fibroid the doc said was causing lots of bleeding and depression. She was found to have pretty bad endometriosis so, it occurs to me, maybe they had to come out?"I have had a hysterectomy, but not an oopherectomy (sp?) which is when the ovaries are removed. I too had estrogen dominance, but removing the ovaries would not have helped -- just the opposite, would it removed the main if not only source of progesterone which is the balance to the estrogen. The fibroids were there because they love estrogen, the higher the estrogen the bigger they grow. Now I should clarify this as circulating estrogen, as in not recepted, taken up, and available for use by the body. Estrogen turns on the receptor sites for Progesterone and Progesterone turns on the receptor sites for Estrogen. If there is low Progesterone, there aren't enough 'turned on' receptors for the Estrogen so it isn't taken up and used properly by the body -- it is left to circulate. The reason doctors like to prescribe Estrogen is because the body is

giving symptoms of low Estrogen. The body isn't really low on Estrogen, it just isn't being taken up because there aren't enough 'turned on' receptors because the Progesterone is low. Increase the Progesterone and the Estrogen can be used and the symptoms stop. There are actually very few cases where a woman is low in Estrogen, but it does happen. According to Dr. Lee (author of 'What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause'), the female body will continue to produce after menopause about 40-60% of the Estrogen a woman had while in her fertile years, but at menopause, no ovulation is occurring and that is when the Progesterone is made, so there is virtually no Progesterone.Clear as mud right?AmeliaP.S. Before anyone asks, I am not a doctor or a nurse, but I have had estrogen dominance issues, 1/2 my thyroid removed, a hysterectomy, adrenal fatigue, and have a husband who suffers from UC. I

just did a lot of research and started connecting dots -- hopefully correctly! : )To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 8:30:35 PMSubject: Re: Do I stop Progesterone before doing the diet?

Amelia, that WAS a good description. In short, this is what happens when we die!! ? The microscopic... and larger ... critters eat us. We're just trying to stay ahead of the Jonses! :) ?

<<my cortisol levels were never shutting off (therefore, like you said, "hogging" the progesterone, so I wasn't getting enough of it). I had no idea that my gut could be linked to my adrenal glands

though. Can you tell me more about this??? I'm very interested!!! =>>

We're post-menopausal so y'all are younger than we are but my sister and I have been, and she STILL is being called an "estrogen burners". A doctor without her permission stole her ovaries when he was supposed to do a PARTIAL hysterectomy on her and she's had huge hormonal problems ever since. The reason for the surgery was a fibroid the doc said was causing lots of bleeding and depression. She was found to have pretty bad endometriosis so, it occurs to me, maybe they had to come out? I'm not a doc. Anyway, does anybody have any light to share on any of this? I did read yesterday that endometriosis has been tied to all this gut fungus stuff, too. (What hasn't?)

Artful Carol

Former me: From babyhood - CFS, Depression, Candida, Severe Chemical, Inhalant, and Food Allergies. Current me: Global Carb and Fungal Problems well-controlled past 30 yr. by extremely low-carb, no dairy, no grains allergy/anti-yeast diet, SCD 01/05. After 35 yrs. no need for allergy shots since SCD! Magnesium/Vits A, B, D, E/Evening Primrose, Fish, Olive, and Other Oils, Lecithin. 2 grown kids recovered from serious developmental problems which I believe were fungally-caused.

>

> My pleasure. Hope it helps someone!

>

> Amelia>

> ________________________________

>

>

> Amelia,

> That was a wonderful, clear explanation - thank you!

> Suneeti (Crohns, CD 2000)

>

[Guest guest]

THANKS, Amelia!! Will pass this on to my sister.

Artful Carol

> >

> > My pleasure. Hope it helps someone!

> >

> > Amelia>

> > ________________________________

> > From: Suneeti Sahgal <sun_heals@>

> >

> > Amelia,

> > That was a wonderful, clear explanation - thank you!

> > Suneeti (Crohns, CD 2000)

> >

>