Re: Cat

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In a message dated 11/24/03 4:07:49 PM Central Standard Time,

ttina317@... writes:

> Still haven't heard any suggestions on brands.

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Champion Nutrition's ProScore 100 (Chocolate) is good -- but pricey.

Champion Nutrition's Pure Whey Protein Stack (Chocolate) is FANTASTIC!!!!!!! and

much

cheaper! I hear the mocha flavor is great too.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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In a message dated 11/24/2003 9:22:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

butterflye@... writes:

> The problem with these is that they are not the best protein as far as

> being

> bioavailable in our systems. They're ok in a pinch, but definitely not the

> one you want to use every day, if you've had a RNY. Our best product is

> predigested whey protein, which as far as I know is only available in a

> couple of ready-to-drinks, and they are very expensive. The powdered shakes

> already mentioned have that good when protein we need.

>

>

Huh? bioavailable? what does that mean? and why is whey protein so much

better? You couldn't pay me to gag down any of those powdered shakes. I tried

them early on -- no thanks.

Judy

Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

Drs. & Rabkin/SF

54/5'3 " - 257/140

size 22/XXL - 6-8/S

bmi 46/24

-66 inches

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Tina,

I like proscore 100 chocolate the most.

The others I like are: proscore 100 vanilla, chocolate whey stack, banana

whey stack, sci fit peach whey

Sherra

Cat

> Wow! How tall are you?? I'm still 160 and I'm 5'2 " so I still have

> quite a bit to lose. I'm aiming at 135.

>

> I'm really excited about getting the protein shakes. Still haven't

> heard any suggestions on brands. Do you have a favorite? I can do

> nearly any flavor but bananna.

>

> It is so great to hear others are hungry (Misery loves company). It

> is a little depressing hearing so many people say they have trouble

> eating or that they forget to eat.

>

> Thanks

> tina

>

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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PS 100 (chocolate), Whey Stack (chocolate), Protien Delite

(chocolate, vanilla berry or raspberry) and Pro V 60 (vanilla or

chocolate).

These all taste very good. However since I have begun testing my

blood sugar, I notice that the Protein Delite tends to elevate my

blood sugar. There was someone on another list that was saying that

PD was mislabeled somewhat and I do now wonder if their is some

validity to that, but I dunno.

~Kricket

RNY 11-13-02

298/140

> Tina,

> I like proscore 100 chocolate the most.

>

> The others I like are: proscore 100 vanilla, chocolate whey

stack, banana

> whey stack, sci fit peach whey

>

>

> Sherra

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In a message dated 11/24/2003 4:24:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ttina317 writes:

> I'm really excited about getting the protein shakes. Still haven't

> heard any suggestions on brands. Do you have a favorite?

> I can do

> nearly any flavor but bananna.

l like the Atkins shakes and the Ultra Pure Protein shakes. Atkins comes in

vanilla, straberry, cafe au lait, light and dark chocolate. Pure Protein comes

in chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, cappuchino, caramel and banana.

Judy

Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

Drs. and Rabkin/SF

54/5'3 " - 257/140

size 22/XXL - 6/S

bmi 46/24

-66 inches

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> I'm really excited about getting the protein shakes. Still haven't

> heard any suggestions on brands. Do you have a favorite? I can do

> nearly any flavor but bananna.

Here are my favorites, in order of MY preference (but remember this is me,

and I'll eat head cheese):

CHampion Pure Whey Stack:

Favorite is Cocoa Mochaccino, 2nd is Banana (but we already know you're not

going there! LOL)

Most folks I know SWEAR by the Stack Chocolate -- I like it, but I like the

coffee flavor better.

3rd in line for me is the Stack vanilla, because it mixes with anything

else -- diet root beer, SF Tang, flavored syrups, etc.

I also really like the Sci Fit Whey line. They have a ton of flavors, and I

haven't found one yet that I didn't like at least a little.

My faves are the Coconut Cream and the Cookies & Cream (which has little

bits of oreo-like cookie in it)

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Nectar Caribbean Cooler -- but it's more of a treat. It's

got a pina colada flavor, more or less. They also make

a cherry berry that is pretty good, and a strawberry kiwi that a lot of

people think is great (I'm not huge on strawberry myself).

Best bet is to order samples. Vitalady sells 'em for around $2 each, and you

can try any brand, any flavor to see if you like it. I got a bunch of

different chocolate and vanilla ones when I started, and took notes on what

I though of each one, and made my purchases from there.

Good luck! And drink LOTS of protein -- it's good for ya!

~ ~Lyn G

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> l like the Atkins shakes and the Ultra Pure Protein shakes. Atkins comes

in vanilla, straberry, cafe au lait, light and dark chocolate. Pure Protein

comes in chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, cappuchino, caramel and banana.

The problem with these is that they are not the best protein as far as being

bioavailable in our systems. They're ok in a pinch, but definitely not the

one you want to use every day, if you've had a RNY. Our best product is

predigested whey protein, which as far as I know is only available in a

couple of ready-to-drinks, and they are very expensive. The powdered shakes

already mentioned have that good when protein we need.

~~ Lyn G

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ooo am so excited, got my samples in the mail today

any thoughts on how to prepare them?

i got 3 kinds of chocolate ones, the apple estacy and a banana type just to

see if i will like any of them.

janice

Re: Cat

> I'm really excited about getting the protein shakes. Still haven't

> heard any suggestions on brands. Do you have a favorite? I can do

> nearly any flavor but bananna.

Here are my favorites, in order of MY preference (but remember this is me,

and I'll eat head cheese):

CHampion Pure Whey Stack:

Favorite is Cocoa Mochaccino, 2nd is Banana (but we already know you're not

going there! LOL)

Most folks I know SWEAR by the Stack Chocolate -- I like it, but I like the

coffee flavor better.

3rd in line for me is the Stack vanilla, because it mixes with anything

else -- diet root beer, SF Tang, flavored syrups, etc.

I also really like the Sci Fit Whey line. They have a ton of flavors, and I

haven't found one yet that I didn't like at least a little.

My faves are the Coconut Cream and the Cookies & Cream (which has little

bits of oreo-like cookie in it)

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Nectar Caribbean Cooler -- but it's more of a treat. It's

got a pina colada flavor, more or less. They also make

a cherry berry that is pretty good, and a strawberry kiwi that a lot of

people think is great (I'm not huge on strawberry myself).

Best bet is to order samples. Vitalady sells 'em for around $2 each, and you

can try any brand, any flavor to see if you like it. I got a bunch of

different chocolate and vanilla ones when I started, and took notes on what

I though of each one, and made my purchases from there.

Good luck! And drink LOTS of protein -- it's good for ya!

~ ~Lyn G

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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> Huh? bioavailable? what does that mean? and why is whey protein so much

> better? You couldn't pay me to gag down any of those powdered shakes. I

tried

> them early on -- no thanks.

It means your body can make good use of it, use the protein as the building

blocks of skin, blood, bone, hair, little things that most of us would like

to keep giving nutrients to for the foreseeable future. There are some kinds

of protein (like meat) that are harder for the post-RNY body to break down

into usable bits. There are other kinds (like casseinate), that we can break

down a little better, but still not enough. Then there is whey protein,

which contains the complete amino acid chains that the body needs, already

broken down for us so that the little digestive system still functioning can

function at peak performance to give us as much protein as possible. The

best explanation of the why's and how's of protein supplements that I have

seen is at http://www.vitalady.com/why_protein.htm

And please, you don't have to buy your protein from Vitalady, though you'd

be wise if you did (and no, I don't work there, but I did for a time, and I

was a loyal customer both before and after my employment there). You can buy

it anywhere, but you need it.

Now if you go into the protein question with the attitude of I WON " T LIKE

IT, then there is probably nothing I can say to convince you. So, if you're

ever on heart medication and don't like it, will you stop taking it? If

you're diabetic, will you refuse insulin? If you have a curable infection,

will you refuse all medication because " we couldn't pay you to gag it down? "

You have to look at supplementation that way. You can decide to supply your

body what it needs, or not. It's your health. It's your choice. But if you

want to do Atkins shakes and such, hey, go for it, and hope that your body

can drag all it needs out of those. You'll probably need 6 or 7 a day to

break even, but if you'll drink them, fine.

Me, I choose to use what my body asks for. I went the way of not liking the

shakes, and until I tried something I liked and would drink, I filled up on

other things. I'm sitting here 60 pounds heavier than my lowest post-op

weight from that kind of thinking. I wish I'd known at 200 what I know at

260 -- maybe I could have gotten down to goal some day.

~~ Lyn G

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The short answer to what bio means:

" Bioavailability protein's bioavailability is a measure of how much of

what's eaten can actually be absorbed and used. "

Sorta doesn't do you good if it isn't being absorbed very well. Because

our digestion is messed around with and some of us have an actual Bypass

that is meant to malnourish calories, it only stands to reason we want the

most " bang for our buck " so to speak when it comes to protein. I only have

so much room in my pouch during the day. I want it to be absorbing the most

it can.

The most bioavailable protein out there is Pure whey. Studies have been

done and the info is out there so you do not have to take my word for it.

The body building world has known this for YEARS so this isn't a new

revelation. Whey has so many good properties to it, builds immune systems

up, less work for your liver, etc. Maybe you didn't find the right one? I

do not gag . I refuse to take one that I actually gag on. But I did

open my mind to maybe something not tasting like a chocolate milk shake. I

also noticed the less sugar I put in my diet, the more the shake tasted

better. I kept at it till I found some that worked for me because I was

determined not to go back to that hospital again. I could only take so many

of the incompetent nurses sticking me with an IV that could never find a

vein till I finally said ENOUGH. My husband who is the most picky person

concerning food and tastes I've ever met....found a pure whey shake he could

down with not much trouble...shocked the heck out of me. Of course we had

to try over 30 samples LOL.

I'm not out to convince anyone if they are against it that they should take

these shakes. I am, however, into sharing my story of being in and out of

the hospital eating 'regular' food only and not feeling good and that the

shakes turned me a 180 from that situation. I had to hit rock bottom and

be in the hospital several times due to malnutrition and issues using

REGULAR food as my only source. I decided to listen to folks who have

been there done that and bought tshirts and once I followed what they said,

it was amazing how I began to feel. If you feel you are doing fine and

everything is going dandy with what you are doing...great...who knows..maybe

you'd do much better if you did use them? I have a feeling that isn't the

norm with others and is why I counsel new ops and people having problems, to

give the pure whey shakes a try. There are plenty of RNY folks out there

that are thin but sickly or not doing very well. I believe this is a major

reason why because they look at me with a stupor of... " i need protein " " i

need vitamins " ? I get so tired of people saying, I wouldn't do a bypass

operation because they are always so sickly looking and lose tons of muscle

mass. I'm like what? look at me....I'm not sickly looking anymore like I

used to be before shakes and my muscle mass is just fine because I get my

protein in. I'm very healthy looking and my complextion is so nice for

once.

Sherra

Re: Cat

> In a message dated 11/24/2003 9:22:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> butterflye@... writes:

>

> > The problem with these is that they are not the best protein as far as

> > being

> > bioavailable in our systems. They're ok in a pinch, but definitely not

the

> > one you want to use every day, if you've had a RNY. Our best product is

> > predigested whey protein, which as far as I know is only available in a

> > couple of ready-to-drinks, and they are very expensive. The powdered

shakes

> > already mentioned have that good when protein we need.

> >

> >

>

> Huh? bioavailable? what does that mean? and why is whey protein so much

> better? You couldn't pay me to gag down any of those powdered shakes. I

tried

> them early on -- no thanks.

>

> Judy

> Lap Proximal RNY 7/23/02

> Drs. & Rabkin/SF

> 54/5'3 " - 257/140

> size 22/XXL - 6-8/S

> bmi 46/24

> -66 inches

>

>

>

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I too found the shakes gag-alicious for quite some time postop. Mt. Sinai

encouraged the shakes so initially, I got a bunch of samples and found JUST one

that I was able to keep down and used it for about 9 months postop, then I

stopped using it. Recently I ventured back into shake-dom and found a couple

that I (miraculously) found GOOD tasting. The really weird thing is that I am

unable to stomach the only one I had been able to keep down before!

Convoluted way of saying: if you wanna go the way of the shake but had trouble

previously, retry with an open mind and willing palate & you might be surprised

just how much your tastebuds have changed over time. What was nauseating once

may not be nauseating still. And yet still more, I've gotta tell you,

those shakes don't fill me up the way real food does. So I can't have one for

breakfast (like I did when I was using them initially) and go about my merry way

cause I'm gonna be hungry like an hour later. When I take one now it's not

as a meal replacement but rather more like a supplement or in-between thingy.

I assume this is how many of you shakefolk use them??????

Signed,

Someone with a newly stamped visitors visa to the Land of Shakes,

Lucille

In a message dated 11/25/2003 10:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

> ...Maybe you didn't find the right one? I

> do not gag . I refuse to take one that I actually gag on. .. Sherra

[Guest guest]

Lucille,

For the most part I use Proscore 100 chocolate and really haven't been using

any others so I don't have the experience you do in using different ones to

see if they act as a meal replacement either. I just got some samples and

tried them and see I can get 4 others down so I'm going to try those on a

more largescale basis. On the one that I use alot, it keeps me full as a

regular meal replacement, for about 3 hours. I have no idea if the other 4

will. I use them in both instances as a meal or in between meals, just

depends on what I fancy eating for the day. Usually if it's my meal, I have

begun to add in veggies to eat about 15 mins after and I mix in some flax

seed meal for my fats to just round it out. I try to eat the " rounded out "

meal within 30 mins so it gets processed as a meal instead of like grazing.

I'm a proximal so the distals may use theirs differently. If you know with

a certain supplement that you are going to be hungry an hour out, it might

be a good idea (after you are sure it's really a good solid supplement to

take) to round it out with some good carbs and fats if it is just pure

protein that is.

You are on the nose about your advice on that our tastebuds change. Mine

have changed several times over the 2 yrs.

Sherra

Re: Re: Cat

> I too found the shakes gag-alicious for quite some time postop. Mt.

Sinai

> encouraged the shakes so initially, I got a bunch of samples and found

JUST one

> that I was able to keep down and used it for about 9 months postop, then I

> stopped using it. Recently I ventured back into shake-dom and found a

couple

> that I (miraculously) found GOOD tasting. The really weird thing is that

I am

> unable to stomach the only one I had been able to keep down before!

> Convoluted way of saying: if you wanna go the way of the shake but had

trouble

> previously, retry with an open mind and willing palate & you might be

surprised

> just how much your tastebuds have changed over time. What was nauseating

once

> may not be nauseating still. And yet still more, I've gotta tell you,

> those shakes don't fill me up the way real food does. So I can't have one

for

> breakfast (like I did when I was using them initially) and go about my

merry way

> cause I'm gonna be hungry like an hour later. When I take one now it's

not

> as a meal replacement but rather more like a supplement or in-between

thingy.

> I assume this is how many of you shakefolk use them??????

>

> Signed,

> Someone with a newly stamped visitors visa to the Land of Shakes,

>

> Lucille

>

>

> In a message dated 11/25/2003 10:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> > ...Maybe you didn't find the right one? I

> > do not gag . I refuse to take one that I actually gag on. ..

Sherra

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just saw this today.

I'm 5'2 "

My " goal " was between 115 and 125 but I just kept losing and at 104 I

have gotten back into my size 8-10's from years ago. In today's

market I'm a size 2-4.

Feel really good and love being able to move my little body to do all

sorts of fun things. Can run a mile without even breathing hard.

Have not had any bounce back but like I said I'm careful and was not

a junk food junkie prior to WLS. Probably a binge eater from years

of dieting - just get so darn hungry would overeat. Now I eat, eat

eat but little amounts and the right things. I love food now, hated

it before WLS.

CAT

> Tina,

>

> I like proscore 100 chocolate the most.

>

> The others I like are: proscore 100 vanilla, chocolate whey stack,

banana

> whey stack, sci fit peach whey

>

>

> Sherra

>

> Cat

>

>

> > Wow! How tall are you?? I'm still 160 and I'm 5'2 " so I still

have

> > quite a bit to lose. I'm aiming at 135.

> >

> > I'm really excited about getting the protein shakes. Still

haven't

> > heard any suggestions on brands. Do you have a favorite? I can

do

> > nearly any flavor but bananna.

> >

> > It is so great to hear others are hungry (Misery loves company).

It

> > is a little depressing hearing so many people say they have

trouble

> > eating or that they forget to eat.

> >

> > Thanks

> > tina

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yep, it's more of a beverage. I'd say " medicine " , but that implies that it

is unpleasant. And it ost definitely is NOT. But now I've been doing it for

9 yrs, it's second nature.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

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Re: Re: Cat

> I too found the shakes gag-alicious for quite some time postop. Mt.

Sinai

> encouraged the shakes so initially, I got a bunch of samples and found

JUST one

> that I was able to keep down and used it for about 9 months postop, then I

> stopped using it. Recently I ventured back into shake-dom and found a

couple

> that I (miraculously) found GOOD tasting. The really weird thing is that

I am

> unable to stomach the only one I had been able to keep down before!

> Convoluted way of saying: if you wanna go the way of the shake but had

trouble

> previously, retry with an open mind and willing palate & you might be

surprised

> just how much your tastebuds have changed over time. What was nauseating

once

> may not be nauseating still. And yet still more, I've gotta tell you,

> those shakes don't fill me up the way real food does. So I can't have one

for

> breakfast (like I did when I was using them initially) and go about my

merry way

> cause I'm gonna be hungry like an hour later. When I take one now it's

not

> as a meal replacement but rather more like a supplement or in-between

thingy.

> I assume this is how many of you shakefolk use them??????

>

> Signed,

> Someone with a newly stamped visitors visa to the Land of Shakes,

>

> Lucille

>

>

> In a message dated 11/25/2003 10:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> > ...Maybe you didn't find the right one? I

> > do not gag . I refuse to take one that I actually gag on. ..

Sherra

>

>

>

>

>