Re: Fear and a three month flare?

[Guest guest]

I know this is scary. I wonder- with the other symptoms- if he may have a viral

illness or infection?

Yes, there is the three month flare for some. With the other symptoms though, I

would want to be sure it is not something else going on at the same time though.

The best thing- diet wise- is to cut back to easy to digest intro-stage 1 foods.

It's possible that the nut flour is too advanced for him at this point, and I

would not have him eat it during this flare.

Lots of bone broth soups would help too. He may want only soup and liquids

anyway for a day or too. If he is sick- and the sore throat/fever/ bloody D

persist- naturally you should call the doctor to make sure it is not the result

of an infection. I would not let this go on too long without getting him

checked.

I am not experienced with boulardi, but my guess would be to stop it for now.

I'm a mom too and it is scary when your child is sick. I hope he feels better

soon.

PJ

>

> My son hit the wall yesterday and today...came home for lunch yesterday and

went to bed with fever, chills, sore throat and aches. Today he passed " a ton

of blood " as he so eloquently communicated, and though he stayed home from work,

the fever and chills have abated. I initially attributed yesterday to yeast die

off since he upped his s. boulardi to 5 the night before and 3 yesterday

morning. But with the bloody diarrhea today I recalled hearing that it is common

to have a three month flare. He began the diet the end of May and here we are,

three months later. He has had no blood until this week...he said he noticed a

small amount early in the week.

>

> My first reaction is fear, which I feel literally in my own gut. So what words

of advice and encouragement can you share with me? Does anyone know why this

happens at the three month mark? Should he stop taking s. boulardi or do

anything different from what he has been doing? Basically, he is eating legal

meats, limitted cooked veggies and some cooked fruit. He is off of eggs though

he has been eating the cheesecake; also eats cheddar cheese. Had some nut flour

popovers for the first time in several weeks, this week.

>

> Eileen

> Mother of 19 yo son with UC

> No meds/SCD 3 month

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:36 PM 8/26/2010, you wrote:

My first reaction is fear, which

I feel literally in my own gut. So what words of advice and encouragement

can you share with me? Does anyone know why this happens at the three

month mark? Should he stop taking s. boulardi or do anything different

from what he has been doing? Basically, he is eating legal meats,

limitted cooked veggies and some cooked fruit. He is off of eggs though

he has been eating the cheesecake; also eats cheddar cheese. Had some nut

flour popovers for the first time in several weeks, this

week.

As you're aware, the objective of SCD is to starve out the bad bacteria.

Well, it has been observed that right around three months on the diet,

you've done such a good job of starving them that their numbers are

dropping rapidly. You've gotten rid of most of the weak sisters amongst

the bad bacteria and the remaining ones are the stronger ones.

So in effect, right now, you're saying, " Away with you! " and

they're saying " H-ll no, we won't go! " and creating havoc for

your poor son. So it is absolutely critical that you hold fast at this

point and not let him eat any illegals, because if you feed the bacteria

right now, you'll let those stronger ones multiply, and then they'll be

that much harder to starve out.

The " three month flare " can occur anywhere from 9 weeks to 16

weeks. It can also occur again at 6-7 months, and 10-12 months. Those

bacteria are stubborn. But YOU are more stubborn.

My suggestion would be to drop back to easier-to-digest foods for a

couple of days. Have him rest as much as possible, and don't push. Then

gradually (probably not quite so gradually as the first time) reintroduce

his regular foods.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

> My son hit the wall yesterday and today...came home for lunch yesterday and

went to bed with fever, chills, sore throat and aches. Today he passed " a ton

of blood " as he so eloquently communicated, and though he stayed home from work,

the fever and chills have abated. I initially attributed yesterday to yeast die

off since he upped his s. boulardi to 5 the night before and 3 yesterday

morning. But with the bloody diarrhea today I recalled hearing that it is common

to have a three month flare. He began the diet the end of May and here we are,

three months later. He has had no blood until this week...he said he noticed a

small amount early in the week.

Last I heard last week he was on 5 - did he suddenly increase to 8? Because

that is a big jump

and 8 in general may be more than his system can deal with right now - and too

much of a

good thing in the probiotic sense can definitely produce a bloody mess like

this. This is why

we do things slowly.

So now you know, sometimes extreme die offs can produce flares, so it is a kind

of mixed

die off flare affair. <g>

Also, think of it this way. This is not the worst thing to happen because this

is how people

begin to learn their tolerances and begin to understand and get a handle on

their illness,

so that they can begin to control their symptoms to a better extent. The

process can be a

messy trial and error - but when you have a reaction like this, it tends to

impact the mind

in a way that both illuminates and changes behavior.

If the blood continues for more than a day, have him start a vitamin E enema

protocol. Get ahold of a baby ear bulb syringe:

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp181505_333181_sespider/rite_aid/ear_syringe_3_oz_cap\

acity.htm

and some vitamin E (higher the

IUs, the easier the task ahead). And empty from 4000-8000IUs of vitamin E into

1 TB of distilled water in a small container. (Cut the tops with a small

scissor

swiped with alcohol rather than popping them with a pin.)

Then, use the ear bulb syringe to draw up the liquid and apply as an enema. Do

this

before bed or at some point during the day when he is less likely to have a

bowel

movement.

Also, keep up the epsom baths. And, as others have said, meat and chicken

broths. And gelatin in

some kind of preparation. Some veggie purees for a few days.

Mara

>

> My first reaction is fear, which I feel literally in my own gut. So what words

of advice and encouragement can you share with me?

And now you know why stress is so bad for IBD/IBS people - because of the

chemical reaction

that it produces where it is felt - in the gut. Which no doubt also triggers

bacteria and then the

anti-inflammatory response.

> Does anyone know why this happens at the three month mark? Should he stop

taking s. boulardi or do anything different from what he has been doing?

Basically, he is eating legal meats, limitted cooked veggies and some cooked

fruit. He is off of eggs though he has been eating the cheesecake; also eats

cheddar cheese. Had some nut flour popovers for the first time in several weeks,

this week.

By the bye, what are nut flour popover? they sound good.

[Guest guest]

>

> My son hit the wall yesterday and today...came home for lunch yesterday and

went to bed with fever, chills, sore throat and aches. Today he passed " a ton

of blood " as he so eloquently communicated, and though he stayed home from work,

the fever and chills have abated. I initially attributed yesterday to yeast die

off since he upped his s. boulardi to 5 the night before and 3 yesterday

morning. But with the bloody diarrhea today I recalled hearing that it is common

to have a three month flare. He began the diet the end of May and here we are,

three months later. He has had no blood until this week...he said he noticed a

small amount early in the week.

>

> My first reaction is fear, which I feel literally in my own gut. So what words

of advice and encouragement can you share with me? Does anyone know why this

happens at the three month mark? Should he stop taking s. boulardi or do

anything different from what he has been doing? Basically, he is eating legal

meats, limitted cooked veggies and some cooked fruit. He is off of eggs though

he has been eating the cheesecake; also eats cheddar cheese. Had some nut flour

popovers for the first time in several weeks, this week.

>

> Eileen

> Mother of 19 yo son with UC

> No meds/SCD 3 month

>

For what it's worth, every time I've tried to take s. boulardi I have had bad

reactions, I would strongly suggest that he stop it. Eating the proper foods on

the diet will starve the bad bacteria just fine. For me, probiotics were not

tolerated until much later on the diet.

[Guest guest]

To me, s boulardii is much more advanced than l. acidophilus. I

admit, I've been on the SCDophilus for over a year and still a bit scared

to start s boulardii. I'd take him off that for a bit. Also maybe

remove the nut products and maybe the cheese. Keep it simpler until

things calm down.

> My son hit the wall yesterday and today...came home for lunch

yesterday and went to bed with fever, chills, sore throat and aches.

Today he passed " a ton of blood " as he so eloquently

communicated, and though he stayed home from work, the fever and chills

have abated. I initially attributed yesterday to yeast die off since he

upped his s. boulardi to 5 the night before and 3 yesterday morning. But

with the bloody diarrhea today I recalled hearing that it is common to

have a three month flare. He began the diet the end of May and here we

are, three months later. He has had no blood until this week...he said he

noticed a small amount early in the week.

> > My first reaction is fear, which I feel literally in my own gut.

So what words of advice and encouragement can you share with me? Does

anyone know why this happens at the three month mark? Should he stop

taking s. boulardi or do anything different from what he has been doing?

Basically, he is eating legal meats, limitted cooked veggies and some

cooked fruit. He is off of eggs though he has been eating the cheesecake;

also eats cheddar cheese. Had some nut flour popovers for the first time

in several weeks, this week.