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That is so cool Jacque. I was lucky - I had a friend that was a

telephone operator at the Pentagon during Vietnam. She had weekend duty

once every 6 weeks and I would phone her and she would patch me through

to my hubby of less than one year. It was really neat back then - she

called Calif and they patched her through to someplace like Hawaii who

patched her through to Japan and finally he got on the line in Vietnam.

He was a Corpsman (Medic). One time I heard terrible noise and asked

what was happening - he said the VC were bombing the Navy Hosp (where he

was) - he said he was sitting under the desk so he could talk to me. God

Bless him.

Amber/FL

OT Politics

I am getting to talk to Fred nearly every morning by IM on the military

network. It makes my entire day go so much better. He sent me a picture

on Thanksgiving, taken with a live turkey that I have no idea how they

got it there, but it is the unit mascot now. I will share it with

whoever wants to see it by private mail. Did everyone see the deal Bush

did on Thanksgiving? We all thought he was sitting on the ranch in

Texas, and in reality, he was in Afghanistan. I know it was re-election

thing, but I still think it was pretty cool. The troops all went nuts

over it! Ok, I'm done now. LOL

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Bush did what other war time presidents have done, and that is visit

the troops. It is a moral booster for them, but politically, of

greater value during a re-election campaign. He is politically

vulnerable due to his initiating the war in Iraq, not finding any

weapons of mass destruction, the daily deaths of soldiers due to

terrorism and so a " feel good " photo-op like his trip to Iraq will be

invaluable to his re-election campaign.

Cindy in Va

lap RNY 2/8/02

> I am getting to talk to Fred nearly every morning by IM on the

military

> network. It makes my entire day go so much better. He sent me a

picture on

> Thanksgiving, taken with a live turkey that I have no idea how they

got it

> there, but it is the unit mascot now. I will share it with whoever

wants to

> see it by private mail. Did everyone see the deal Bush did on

Thanksgiving?

> We all thought he was sitting on the ranch in Texas, and in

reality, he was

> in Afghanistan. I know it was re-election thing, but I still think

it was

> pretty cool. The troops all went nuts over it!

> Ok, I'm done now. LOL

>

> Jac

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Hi Folks,

I know the subject line says OT, but please lets not get into a

political discussion. It's against list rules, and even when it says

OT, we all know what hot buttons it can push.

Thank you!

in NJ

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> In a message dated 12/3/2003 6:24:30 PM Central Standard Time,

> jholdaway@... writes:

>

>

>

> <<.... I'll just sign off of this list.... Jac >>

No haulin' away for Mrs Holdaway ..... okay?

Besides which, you never did tell me what happened to that sad-lookin'

scrawny little turkey.

Lucille

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I brought it up, and I am sorry. I did not mean to start any political

discussions. But my husband's well being affects my mental health, and my

mental health affects my physical health, and I need the support of my

FRIENDS right now. If your are not my friend, ignore me. He had to get into

what we laughingly call " high speed bumper cars " yesterday with some Afghani

militants. He had to take them out in the middle of a minefield. If my

sharing offends you, hit the delete button. Then I will do the same when you

whine about your TT. My life doesn't revolve around what sags. My life

revolves around who is coming home to me. I sag, but he loves me anyway. If

that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

Jac

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Re: Re: OT Politics

In a message dated 12/3/2003 6:08:39 PM Central Standard Time, Tuesdynite

writes:

> You said it so much more nicely than I ever could, . I'm

> super-sensitized to this stuff since I was positively crucified about a

year ago for

> putting forth something political on this list. I'm sure the originator

was

> around and remembers that time, so I'm surprised this came up again.

>

> Carol A

> ------------------------------------------

>

> In a message dated 12/1/2003 2:28:49 PM Central Standard Time,

> watnext@... writes:

>

> >> Hi Folks,

>>

>> I know the subject line says OT, but please lets not get into a political

>> discussion. It's against list rules, and even when it says OT, we all

know

>> what hot buttons it can push.

>>

>> Thank you!

>>

>> in NJ

>> (putting her moderator hat away)

>

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I'm so happy to count you among my friends.

I hope you never need support.

I really never expected that from you, Carol. I'm sorry I offended you.

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Re: Re: OT Politics

In a message dated 12/3/2003 6:24:30 PM Central Standard Time,

jholdaway@... writes:

If

that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

------------------------------------------

Be my guest.

Carol A

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As I said, I wasn't really bringing up politics. I was just sharing my

distress right now.

Jac

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Re: Re: OT Politics

folks hold on here.

It's only polite not to bring up politics or religion.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I don't understand why we have to argue about

a universally known politeness. Sometimes we need to take a step back from

an online group if we get overly sensitive when someone reminds us of this.

It may not have even been about the original post but the posts after.

These things just tend to grow legs and cause hard feelings and it is why

it's best just not to go there.

Sherra

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>

> In a message dated 12/3/2003 6:24:30 PM Central Standard Time,

> jholdaway@... writes:

>

>

>

> If

> that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

> ------------------------------------------

>

> Be my guest.

>

> Carol A

>

>

>

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folks hold on here.

It's only polite not to bring up politics or religion.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I don't understand why we have to argue about

a universally known politeness. Sometimes we need to take a step back from

an online group if we get overly sensitive when someone reminds us of this.

It may not have even been about the original post but the posts after.

These things just tend to grow legs and cause hard feelings and it is why

it's best just not to go there.

Sherra

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>

> In a message dated 12/3/2003 6:24:30 PM Central Standard Time,

> jholdaway@... writes:

>

>

>

> If

> that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

> ------------------------------------------

>

> Be my guest.

>

> Carol A

>

>

>

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NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!! You are NOT allowed to sign off this LIST! I think we

should just all have a whiney day..... Been whining myself lately. For no

good reason that I can find. So...if anything I say counts for

ANYTHING....and I am pretty darn sure it doesn't.....I vote for everyone

staying just where they are and WHINING! LOL Please??????

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

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-----Original Message-----

From: Jacque Holdaway

I brought it up, and I am sorry. I did not mean to start any political

discussions. But my husband's well being affects my mental health, and my

mental health affects my physical health, and I need the support of my

FRIENDS right now. If your are not my friend, ignore me. He had to get into

what we laughingly call " high speed bumper cars " yesterday with some Afghani

militants. He had to take them out in the middle of a minefield. If my

sharing offends you, hit the delete button. Then I will do the same when you

whine about your TT. My life doesn't revolve around what sags. My life

revolves around who is coming home to me. I sag, but he loves me anyway. If

that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

Jac

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Well Jacque, Isure do understand your stress, I dont know how I would deal

with it. Feel free to email me anytime. I am proud of your husband and all

the others over there, and sure as heck am proud of the spouses left behind

to worry and wait!

Phyllis

--- Original Message -----

To: " Sherra " ; <Graduate-OSSG >;

Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:40 PM

Subject: RE: Re: OT Politics

As I said, I wasn't really bringing up politics. I was just sharing my

distress right now.

Jac

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Re: Re: OT Politics

folks hold on here.

It's only polite not to bring up politics or religion.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I don't understand why we have to argue about

a universally known politeness. Sometimes we need to take a step back from

an online group if we get overly sensitive when someone reminds us of this.

It may not have even been about the original post but the posts after.

These things just tend to grow legs and cause hard feelings and it is why

it's best just not to go there.

Sherra

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>

> In a message dated 12/3/2003 6:24:30 PM Central Standard Time,

> jholdaway@... writes:

>

>

>

> If

> that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

> ------------------------------------------

>

> Be my guest.

>

> Carol A

>

>

>

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Yeah a whining day. Is that anything like a pity party. It sure would

be a lot more fun with a lot of people.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:43:42 -0800 " Debbie McNeice "

writes:

> NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!! You are NOT allowed to sign off this LIST! I think

> we

> should just all have a whiney day..... Been whining myself lately.

> For no

> good reason that I can find. So...if anything I say counts for

> ANYTHING....and I am pretty darn sure it doesn't.....I vote for

> everyone

> staying just where they are and WHINING! LOL Please??????

>

> Debbie &

> in Gig Harbor

> (170cm medial)

> ladybostons@...

> http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

> http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Jacque Holdaway

>

> I brought it up, and I am sorry. I did not mean to start any

> political

> discussions. But my husband's well being affects my mental health,

> and my

> mental health affects my physical health, and I need the support of

> my

> FRIENDS right now. If your are not my friend, ignore me. He had to

> get into

> what we laughingly call " high speed bumper cars " yesterday with some

> Afghani

> militants. He had to take them out in the middle of a minefield. If

> my

> sharing offends you, hit the delete button. Then I will do the same

> when you

> whine about your TT. My life doesn't revolve around what sags. My

> life

> revolves around who is coming home to me. I sag, but he loves me

> anyway. If

> that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

>

> Jac

> http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/

> http://members.cox.net/XXXFARMPAINTS

> mail to: jholdaway@...

>

> Order a BRAT 2004 calendar today at:

> http://www.basenjirescue.org/calendarcontest/

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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Jac, my request to cool it about the political discussions was NOT

referring to your post. I can't believe I go away for a couple of

days, and people aren't even reading WHEN my post was written, which

was right after someone else posted a potentially flammable political

post.

I'm looking at the string of posts after Jac's, and COME ON people,

did you all not see what it was referring to??? I totally agree that

Jac's posts are not political and she and Tara and all our

other " family " members who have husbands and wives and daughters and

sons in dangerous situations need and deserve our support, and it in

no way is a statement of political opinion.

OK, maybe now I'm being overly sensitive, but I don't like being

misunderstood or even indirectly accused of insensitivity, because

nothing could be further from the truth.

in NJ

***********************

> I brought it up, and I am sorry. I did not mean to start any

political discussions. But my husband's well being affects my mental

health, and my mental health affects my physical health, and I need

the support of my FRIENDS right now. If your are not my friend,

ignore me. He had to get into what we laughingly call " high speed

bumper cars " yesterday with some Afghani militants. He had to take

them out in the middle of a minefield. If my sharing offends you,

hit the delete button. Then I will do the same when you whine about

your TT. My life doesn't revolve around what sags. My life revolves

around who is coming home to me. I sag, but he loves me anyway. If

> that is still offensive, I'll just sign off of this list.

>

> Jac

****************************

> >

> > In a message dated 12/1/2003 2:28:49 PM Central Standard Time,

> > watnext@a... writes:

> >

> > >> Hi Folks,

> >>

> >> I know the subject line says OT, but please lets not get into a

political discussion. It's against list rules, and even when it says

OT, we all know what hot buttons it can push.

> >>

> >> Thank you!

> >>

> >> in NJ

> >> (putting her moderator hat away)

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I know, and thanks Terry. It was all a misunderstanding, and it's

over now.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Hugs,

in NJ

***********************

> ,

>

> I just wrote to you privately, but I also wanted to say that my

post wasn't directed towards you. I wasn't even thinking of your

post when I wrote, but rather some other ones that I saw recently and

have seen in the past when people like Jac or Tara have dared to ask

for support while their spouses are away.

>

> ----------------------------------------

> Terry Mayers

>

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