Re: protein for the no longer newbie/ray

November 25, 2003

I am not alone in noticing that there are no studies showing that long

term protein supplementation is required. Dr. Terry Simpson, a

Bariatric surgeon, has given me permission to reprint part of an email

he sent to another group.

' " Experience " is often " anecdotal " and far from scientific. Just

because Uncle Ferd who had a RNY felt better drinking some protein

shake made of recycled cheese product doesn't mean that is a real

experience. (oh yes, whey is the simple byproduct or waste material

from dairy products which they nicely sell in health food stores

for more than the fine cheese they make from it -- kind of like the

people we get to buy the turkey gizzards thinking they are a treat).

Nope you cannot cite one simple, scientific study showing that these

are required or needed. There is a good reason you cannot --- THEY

DON'T EXIST.'

The decision on whether medical research needs to be done on a

particular topic is usually based on members of the medical community

noticing that there undesirable conditions are developing in certain

groups of patients. If there were a substantial number of surgeons who

noticed protein deficiencies developing in their patients, they would

perform a study to try to find out the cause of the deficiency. The

reason they have not studied protein deficiency is that it so rarely

rarely develops that it would not be worth the time to do a study. Some

patients may feel better when they take protein supplements. Some

patients feel better when they take a placebo. What bothers me the most

abut it is when I get a letter from a customer saying that they have to

cut back on their supplements because they can not afford them. I

always wonder if they are buying unneeded protein supplements instead.

I do not want to seem bull headed about this, but common sense tells me

that if a protein deficiency is a common occurrence amongst WLS

patients, the medical community would have picked up on it by now and

would be researching the issue. If they do not see it as a problem,

then I do not see a reason for concern either.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

Butterflye wrote:

>

> >> There is not a single study that shows the need for long term

> > protein supplementation. Just make sure that protein is the main part

> > of each meal and that should do it.

>

> I don't need a study to know what my body does when I don't get enough

> protein, and I'm sure there are a few dozen people on this list who could

> say the same. I'm nearly 4 years post-op, and if I go even a few days

> without protein SUPPLEMENTS, the protein in the food I eat is not nearly

> enough to keep me healthy. And I do eat meat, cheese, eggs, etc. My hair

> shows it almost immediately, my skin and nails follow close behind, in just

> plain losing their healthy condition. Not to mention I start to get tired

> all the time and generally feel like death could not come soon enough.

>

> I've met literally hundreds of post-ops in person, and I can tell the

> successes from the failures from a distance. I sat in a restaurant this

> summer with a whole bunch of successes, and every one of them uses protein

> supplements. They looked healthy and WHOLE, not starved. There IS a

> difference, and I could care less if someone has done a study or not, I have

> EYES, and can see for myself, and IN myself, that there is a need for

> protein supplements, and I am VERY proximal!

>

> If you don't want to take protein, don't take it. For me, I care about my

> health, and I care about what I tell others that may affect their health. I

> don't sell anything, I have nothing to gain by promoting supplements of any

> kind. I'm very concerned that incomplete and incorrect information can

> damage lives.

>

> ~~ Lyn G

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

November 25, 2003

It's reported every year at the ASBS conference. It is QUITE common.

There's a nod to it on the ASBS site.

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Re: protein for the no longer newbie/ray

> I am not alone in noticing that there are no studies showing that long

> term protein supplementation is required. Dr. Terry Simpson, a

> Bariatric surgeon, has given me permission to reprint part of an email

> he sent to another group.

>

> ' " Experience " is often " anecdotal " and far from scientific. Just

> because Uncle Ferd who had a RNY felt better drinking some protein

> shake made of recycled cheese product doesn't mean that is a real

> experience. (oh yes, whey is the simple byproduct or waste material

> from dairy products which they nicely sell in health food stores

> for more than the fine cheese they make from it -- kind of like the

> people we get to buy the turkey gizzards thinking they are a treat).

> Nope you cannot cite one simple, scientific study showing that these

> are required or needed. There is a good reason you cannot --- THEY

> DON'T EXIST.'

>

> The decision on whether medical research needs to be done on a

> particular topic is usually based on members of the medical community

> noticing that there undesirable conditions are developing in certain

> groups of patients. If there were a substantial number of surgeons who

> noticed protein deficiencies developing in their patients, they would

> perform a study to try to find out the cause of the deficiency. The

> reason they have not studied protein deficiency is that it so rarely

> rarely develops that it would not be worth the time to do a study. Some

> patients may feel better when they take protein supplements. Some

> patients feel better when they take a placebo. What bothers me the most

> abut it is when I get a letter from a customer saying that they have to

> cut back on their supplements because they can not afford them. I

> always wonder if they are buying unneeded protein supplements instead.

>

> I do not want to seem bull headed about this, but common sense tells me

> that if a protein deficiency is a common occurrence amongst WLS

> patients, the medical community would have picked up on it by now and

> would be researching the issue. If they do not see it as a problem,

> then I do not see a reason for concern either.

>

> Ray Hooks

> For WLS nutrition info, visit

> http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

>

> Butterflye wrote:

> >

> > >> There is not a single study that shows the need for long term

> > > protein supplementation. Just make sure that protein is the main part

> > > of each meal and that should do it.

> >

> > I don't need a study to know what my body does when I don't get enough

> > protein, and I'm sure there are a few dozen people on this list who

could

> > say the same. I'm nearly 4 years post-op, and if I go even a few days

> > without protein SUPPLEMENTS, the protein in the food I eat is not nearly

> > enough to keep me healthy. And I do eat meat, cheese, eggs, etc. My hair

> > shows it almost immediately, my skin and nails follow close behind, in

just

> > plain losing their healthy condition. Not to mention I start to get

tired

> > all the time and generally feel like death could not come soon enough.

> >

> > I've met literally hundreds of post-ops in person, and I can tell the

> > successes from the failures from a distance. I sat in a restaurant this

> > summer with a whole bunch of successes, and every one of them uses

protein

> > supplements. They looked healthy and WHOLE, not starved. There IS a

> > difference, and I could care less if someone has done a study or not, I

have

> > EYES, and can see for myself, and IN myself, that there is a need for

> > protein supplements, and I am VERY proximal!

> >

> > If you don't want to take protein, don't take it. For me, I care about

my

> > health, and I care about what I tell others that may affect their

health. I

> > don't sell anything, I have nothing to gain by promoting supplements of

any

> > kind. I'm very concerned that incomplete and incorrect information can

> > damage lives.

> >

> > ~~ Lyn G

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

November 25, 2003

Actually Ray,

While sometimes a study will be done by the medical community as a good will

gesture to figure out what is going on, it often is done by ppl who think

there is money in something and that usually sparks it - investors is the

key word.

I've been involved in that stuff is how I know.

Let's put it this way, is it hurting anyone to be told they should give

protein shakes a try that is struggling losing weight or feeling like crap?

No? then arguing about it is really silly on your part. Most are suggesting

what works for THEM . I have yet to see anyone saying that ALL people

should...but I have seen ppl share their experiences and recommend them.

/wink

As I said, I'm very happy you eat regular food and are doing great, some of

us are not when we rely solely on regular food...and have found the shakes

to be a savior so to speak. If I took your advice, I'd still be in the

hospital. Now I can't point to a study to satisfy you nor do I care to hehe

because I clearly do not debate the reason we need protein shakes. One can

take the information and my case and do anything they want with it. I know

what put me in the hospital and I know what keeps me from it and that is not

something you can rationalize away.

Now, sir, you are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Sherra