Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

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In a message dated 12/1/03 9:23:03 PM Central Standard Time,

ashleyscamp@... writes:

> I would like to respond to the - Hoochie surgery

> ---------

It seems to me from scanning the website that you had something much

more intensive than what we were chatting about. Am I correct in assuming that

you had surgery on your actual genitalia? The website refers to

vaginoplasty, which would be way different from what I had!

I think what most of us have experienced is merely a lifting of the

external skin at the pubic bone area -- the mons pubis. There was no

involvement of the vagina -- no " internal " work.

The surgery you had is not very widespread -- I would imagine that

there are very few surgeons performing it -- thus the interest of the media.

My " hoochie lift " (LOL, I think " coochie lift " would be more

appropriate? -- I think of a " hoochie " as a butt!) was no big deal. When they

pulled

my tummy skin down, they also pulled my mons skin UP and trimmed flesh from

both sides. Think of it like a window shade -- in most tummy tucks, the doctor

merely pulls the shade down (the tummy) and tacks it to the window sill (the

mons area) -- works fine, unless your window sill is sagging! In mine, the

window sill got pulled up to meet the shade part way! This only improves sexual

function by way of pulling the exterior genitalia into their " natural "

position. It doesn't correct vaginal slackness.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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In a message dated 12/2/03 12:22:26 PM Central Standard Time,

juliaz@... writes:

> Basically, when my surgeon does the TT, he makes sure that everything

> inside (uterus, bladder, etc.) is correctly suspended from the ligaments in

the

> abdomen,

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Wouldn't that require cutting through the abdominal muscles? I know my doc

didn't cut any muscle -- she pulled the sides together and stitched them up,

like taking in seam on a garment.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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When they do an abdominoplasty (NOT a panniculectomy) they do cut

through all of the abdominal muscles and the abdominal fascia. That's

why it hurts so much, and that's why it looks so good. :-)

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01 310 pounds

Plastics 07/22/02 155 pounds

Lowest 126 pounds

5'4 "

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Subject: Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

In a message dated 12/2/03 12:22:26 PM Central Standard Time,

juliaz@... writes:

Basically, when my surgeon does the TT, he makes sure that

everything inside (uterus, bladder, etc.) is correctly suspended from

the ligaments in the abdomen,

--------

Wouldn't that require cutting through the abdominal muscles? I know my

doc didn't cut any muscle -- she pulled the sides together and stitched

them up, like taking in seam on a garment.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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I am so glad that you and Beth clarified that for me. Thank you -

Thank you. I have had internal work done.... but it had to do w/

the amount of weight I used to carry around. I had already had a

bladder suspension that had failed. I have been on meds

(specifically UTI antibiotic) since 1999. The urologist told me

then, " lose wt " I thought he was joking, I mean, how could my wt

cos these problems????? (Heavy denial here, don't ya think? LOL) I

originally thought about just a labioplasty; but after the exam and

lots more studying on the subject; I felt like for me, fixing the

internal problem would make it easier to fix the " cosmetic " (I don't

think this is a cosmetic thing, to me its reconstructive)problem. It

is nice to know that when I have the panni, that they will or should

address this problem. I had excess tissue (scar) removed and the

peri area reworked. Sorry, guys on the list, I think its important

to talk about these issues. I never thought about that " end " of

it. I was just thinking that cosmetically boobs and buns would have

been my biggest issues. I would highly recommend this procedure for

anyone wanting to address the UTI problem...

Thank you ladies for clarifying these things.....

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said: When they do an abdominoplasty (NOT a panniculectomy) they do

cut

through all of the abdominal muscles and the abdominal fascia. That's

why it hurts so much, and that's why it looks so good. :-)

My surgeon (Drs. Fox and Oh) said that they don't cut the muscles, they fold

them over. That's how my abdominoplasty/mons lift was done. (complete with

152 staples!!!!)

B

Distal RNY

12/27/95

275/142

Drs. Fox/Oh

Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

In a message dated 12/2/03 12:22:26 PM Central Standard Time,

juliaz@... writes:

Basically, when my surgeon does the TT, he makes sure that

everything inside (uterus, bladder, etc.) is correctly suspended from

the ligaments in the abdomen,

--------

Wouldn't that require cutting through the abdominal muscles? I know my

doc didn't cut any muscle -- she pulled the sides together and stitched

them up, like taking in seam on a garment.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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I am getting ready to have a hernia repair. My surgeon will be using

mesh. I specifically asked if this will cause a problem with the excess

skin removal. He said no, that the mesh is attached to the muscles and

the plastic surgeon only removes skin. I'm just wondering if you had all

of it done at the same time because it needed to be done not that this is

a typical way to do it.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:49:40 -0800 " "

writes:

> said: When they do an abdominoplasty (NOT a panniculectomy)

> they do cut

> through all of the abdominal muscles and the abdominal fascia.

> That's why it hurts so much, and that's why it looks so good. :-)

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Lori, mesh has pros and cons - one major pro is that it helps to prevent

future hernias. Amber/FL

Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

I am getting ready to have a hernia repair. My surgeon will be using

mesh. I specifically asked if this will cause a problem with the excess

skin removal. He said no, that the mesh is attached to the muscles and

the plastic surgeon only removes skin. I'm just wondering if you had

all of it done at the same time because it needed to be done not that

this is a typical way to do it. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce 479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:49:40 -0800 " "

writes:

> said: When they do an abdominoplasty (NOT a panniculectomy)

> they do cut

> through all of the abdominal muscles and the abdominal fascia.

> That's why it hurts so much, and that's why it looks so good. :-)

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TWICE. They fold them in TWICE. They take a tuck, like taking in a

seam, get it all nice and neat and then do it AGAIN, on top of the

first. Ow.

The only cut I remember seeing was in the internal work, as in the TT

I observed was also a revision.

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Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

>

>

> In a message dated 12/2/03 12:22:26 PM Central Standard Time,

> juliaz@... writes:

>

>

>

> Basically, when my surgeon does the TT, he makes sure that

> everything inside (uterus, bladder, etc.) is correctly suspended

from

> the ligaments in the abdomen,

>

>

> --------

>

> Wouldn't that require cutting through the abdominal muscles? I know

my

> doc didn't cut any muscle -- she pulled the sides together and

stitched

> them up, like taking in seam on a garment.

>

> Beth

> Houston, TX

> VBG - Dr. Srungaram

> 05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

> 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

> 11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

> 5'10 "

>

>

>

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In a message dated 12/2/03 8:44:41 PM Central Standard Time,

rehab2@... writes:

> My surgeon will be using mesh. I specifically asked if this will cause a

> problem with the excess skin removal. He said no, that the mesh is attached

> to the muscles and the plastic surgeon only removes skin.

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Lori,

While the surgeon only " removes " the skin, since they are working with

the muscles (assuming you're interested in a future abdominoplasty, not just

a panniculectomy) sometimes the surgeons have to REMOVE the mesh (which can be

messy) in order to do their muscle work.

As was mentioned before, mesh has pros and cons -- I've seen a lot of

" cons " lately and don't think I would opt for mesh myself. (One of the

scariest cons I have seen is infection -- in fact, our Davenport here in

Houston has had immense difficulties with the mesh).

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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Lori,

Had my TT and hernia repair done at the same time back in Aug 2002.

My WLS doc did the hernia and a PS did my TT, side by side in

operating room. Hernia was up near my breast bone in the original

WLS cut. Hernia repair was done first with mesh, then the TT. I

think that I had less skin removed from the hernia area than from

the lower belly area because my tissues were swollen from the hernia

repair. Not totally satisfied with the outcome there, but the lower

belly is great! I had to have it done this way to get my TT paid

for by insurance. Had to fight them for 18 mo to get it done, but

it was still worth it! Lower tummy muscles are as tight as a drum

and I love it! Best of luck to you!

Reba

PS: PS did lift my mons, but after all the swelling went down, it

is not as much of a lift as I need. Will address this with another

PS as soon as money allows since my original PS is retired now.

Along with arms, boobs, upper tummy, butt & thighs. Gee, I think I

need a PS that works on jig saw puzzles, LOL!

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> I am getting ready to have a hernia repair. My surgeon will be

using

> mesh. I specifically asked if this will cause a problem with the

excess

> skin removal. He said no, that the mesh is attached to the

muscles and

> the plastic surgeon only removes skin. I'm just wondering if you

had all

> of it done at the same time because it needed to be done not that

this is

> a typical way to do it.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> SRVG 7/16/01

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

> 479/356/hoping for close to 200

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TWICE. They fold them in TWICE. They take a tuck, like taking in a

seam, get it all nice and neat and then do it AGAIN, on top of the

first. Ow.

And THAT'S why ya can't stand up straight for 3-4 weeks, nor lie on your

back without four pillows underneath your knees for like six weeks!!! LOL

B

Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

TWICE. They fold them in TWICE. They take a tuck, like taking in a

seam, get it all nice and neat and then do it AGAIN, on top of the

first. Ow.

The only cut I remember seeing was in the internal work, as in the TT

I observed was also a revision.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

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Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

>

>

> In a message dated 12/2/03 12:22:26 PM Central Standard Time,

> juliaz@... writes:

>

>

>

> Basically, when my surgeon does the TT, he makes sure that

> everything inside (uterus, bladder, etc.) is correctly suspended

from

> the ligaments in the abdomen,

>

>

> --------

>

> Wouldn't that require cutting through the abdominal muscles? I know

my

> doc didn't cut any muscle -- she pulled the sides together and

stitched

> them up, like taking in seam on a garment.

>

> Beth

> Houston, TX

> VBG - Dr. Srungaram

> 05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

> 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

> 11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

> 5'10 "

>

>

>

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In a message dated 12/3/03 10:31:00 AM Central Standard Time,

loriowen@... writes:

> This surgeon was originally going to use a plug but decided to do the mesh

--------

This is the first I've ever heard of a " plug " with a hernia repair. My

understanding was that they would push the intestine back in and then bring the

muscle edges together and sew them shut -- similar to what you would do if you

were fixing a stuffed animal that had blown a seam and had it's innards sticking

out. I know sometimes they use mesh, sort of like putting a patch over the

broken seam. LOL... reminds me of many discussions with my plastic surgeon --

in her spare time, her hobby is sewing!

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

[Guest guest]

I have thought about the same thing but was told that the area was too

big for a plug. He did mention the problem with infections. My deal is

that this is the second surgeon I have discussed having the hernia repair

with. Both stated they would use mesh. This surgeon was originally

going to use a plug but decided to do the mesh.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:37:33 EST BethVBG@... writes:

Lori,

While the surgeon only " removes " the skin, since they are working

with the muscles (assuming you're interested in a future abdominoplasty,

not just a panniculectomy) sometimes the surgeons have to REMOVE the mesh

(which can be messy) in order to do their muscle work.

As was mentioned before, mesh has pros and cons -- I've seen a lot

of " cons " lately and don't think I would opt for mesh myself. (One of

the scariest cons I have seen is infection -- in fact, our

Davenport here in Houston has had immense difficulties with the mesh).

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

[Guest guest]

And just better to close your eyes for 6 weeks. LOL! EVeryone with a

Fox/Oh tuck knows what I mean. Makes you think you've lost your mind.

Until you SEE it.

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Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/2/03 12:22:26 PM Central Standard Time,

> > juliaz@... writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > Basically, when my surgeon does the TT, he makes sure that

> > everything inside (uterus, bladder, etc.) is correctly suspended

> from

> > the ligaments in the abdomen,

> >

> >

> > --------

> >

> > Wouldn't that require cutting through the abdominal muscles? I

know

> my

> > doc didn't cut any muscle -- she pulled the sides together and

> stitched

> > them up, like taking in seam on a garment.

> >

> > Beth

> > Houston, TX

> > VBG - Dr. Srungaram

> > 05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

> > 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

> > 11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

> > 5'10 "

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Trust me, I had never heard of a plug either. It would seem to make more

sense to do the stuffed animal thing then a plug. At least I have heard

of the mesh thing before. Lori O.

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:56:57 EST BethVBG@... writes:

This is the first I've ever heard of a " plug " with a hernia repair. My

understanding was that they would push the intestine back in and then

bring the muscle edges together and sew them shut -- similar to what you

would do if you were fixing a stuffed animal that had blown a seam and

had it's innards sticking out. I know sometimes they use mesh, sort of

like putting a patch over the broken seam. LOL... reminds me of many

discussions with my plastic surgeon -- in her spare time, her hobby is

sewing!

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

[Guest guest]

The idea of any more surgery terrifies me, so for the time being , I am going

to learn to be happy where I am .. and just hide my excess sagging skin with

clothes.. lol

Peachy hugs,

[Guest guest]

What a coincidence! I wear clothes to hide my booboos, too.

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Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

> The idea of any more surgery terrifies me, so for the time being , I

am going to learn to be happy where I am .. and just hide my excess

sagging skin with clothes.. lol

> Peachy hugs,

>

>

>

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It's funny . But I look back and I wonder where on earth I got the

strength to do this operation. I mean I had NO other prior issues of me

being put in a hospital and while diabetes and high blood pressure were

threatening me, they were not full blown on me just yet. I think my fear of

the future is what finally motivated me in thinking that doing this

operation was the lesser of " two evils " of where I'd end up if I didn't do

it. /chuckle

I look and keep my eyes peeled for good supportive undergarmets and that

sorta helps me deal with the acceptance part. I rely on johnson's baby

powder a lot to keep me dry but someone mentioned that powder (not sure

what type) could aggravate and help along a yeast infection in a crease...so

I'd be aware of that if one chooses to use it and either develops one or has

one already. At this time I couldn't muster up the guts to go get another

operation, I'm a chicken hehe. I will not know how I feel 5 years down the

road or so.

I also realize I'm very fortunate to not have a huge panni drape down and

not have the health issues that others have concerning it - so far. I

prolly would grow sick of it too and do something about it then. I find I

wear baggy clothes but have recently tried to tighten them up just a smidge

(not skin tight or anything). Enough to atleast give me an indication that

I may be gaining again since I force myself to not weigh a lot. I go by

feel of my pants and such. There is something about me and weighing a

lot.....I just become too obsessive and I really want to concentrate on how

I feel vs. the numbers.

Sherra

Re: Hoochie? Would that the same as.....

> The idea of any more surgery terrifies me, so for the time being , I am

going to learn to be happy where I am .. and just hide my excess sagging

skin with clothes.. lol

> Peachy hugs,

>

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You want to avoid products containing TALC, Sherra, and switch to 100% pure

cornstarch. Lucille

In a message dated 12/5/2003 10:15:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

> ...I look and keep my eyes peeled for good supportive undergarmets and that

> sorta helps me deal with the acceptance part. I rely on johnson's baby

> powder a lot to keep me dry but someone mentioned that powder (not sure

> what type) could aggravate and help along a yeast infection in a crease

> ....Sherra

>

>