Re: problems with UC on the intro

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been on the intro diet for about two and a half weeks and have been sticking with the intro diet faithfully. Wow! That's great that you are so motivated, but you're actually only supposed to be on the intro for a max of 5 days. You should start adding in some peeled, cooked, and pureed veggies like zucchini or spinach. You could also try adding applesauce or pearsauce. be sure to do one at a time though, so you know the culprit if your symptoms get worse. Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

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ok so even if my symoptons havent cleared up its ok to continue forward? im a mechanic for the air force so im cursed by following direction to a T lol.

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ok so even if my symoptons havent cleared up its ok to continue forward? im a mechanic for the air force so im cursed by following direction to a T lol.Lol that's usually a good thing, though =) Yes, you should continue forward even with symptoms, because usually it takes a long time for your gut to heal, and that's too long to stay on such a limited diet. Not enough nutrients and variety. Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

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I"m not completely symptom free yet but getting better very gradually (day 12 of diet). I have had colitis for 12 years and my view is you should avoid diary and avoid sugar even honey (and fruit) until you are much better. But you should ask other people. I have cut eggs out too now and have seen some improvement. I eat fish, squash, spinach, carrots, chicken, turkey, the soup. I tried red meat but it made me feel bad and the grape juice made me immediately have stomach ache. I'm going to stick to it until I have formed bms and I'm not on prednisone (now at 12.5mg), although I have to tell you I'm truly sick of this food. I don't see any alternatives sadly so chin up and press on.tte hey quick question here guys. been on the intro diet for about two and a half weeks and have been sticking with the intro diet faithfully. really the only improvements have been less trips to the bathroom. usually about 3 a day. no improvements on the diareah though. some days maybe seems "thicker" than others but thats it. i know every now and then a have a little honey so would it be a good idea to cut that out for a few days? my diet is this: homemade yogurt in the morning, followed by chicken soup for lunch and baked chicken or soup for dinner. just want to hear from some people what theyre experiancing as far as symptom-wise. just some what discouraged

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So you think day 12 I should be eating fruit even though the bms are not all completely formed? ok so even if my symoptons havent cleared up its ok to continue forward? im a mechanic for the air force so im cursed by following direction to a T lol.Lol that's usually a good thing, though =) Yes, you should continue forward even with symptoms, because usually it takes a long time for your gut to heal, and that's too long to stay on such a limited diet. Not enough nutrients and variety.Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

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sweet cause im starting to have like no energy haha. also when you cook your meats do any of you use lemons? or should i just keep is plain jane for a while and just salt and pepper it?

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> So you think day 12 I should be eating fruit even though the bms are

> not all completely formed?

I personally think that less fruit is better, especially with D. I

guess the appe/pearsauce is just a standard suggestion =) I think

there's no harm in trying a little to see how it affects you, though.

If you do okay with it, then that's one more thing you can eat!

Cheers!

Alyssa 16 yo

UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009 (restarted)

Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

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sweet cause im starting to have like no energy haha. also when you cook your meats do any of you use lemons? or should i just keep is plain jane for a while and just salt and pepper it?That's not surprising! I think you would probably be fine with lemon, but like anything else you should introduce it and nothing else for a few days to make sure you don't react to it. I've had plenty of experience starting too many new things at once and then not knowing what I reacted to. Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

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I used Lemons to roast a chicken and it didn't go down well. sweet cause im starting to have like no energy haha. also when you cook your meats do any of you use lemons? or should i just keep is plain jane for a while and just salt and pepper it?

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I did not tolerate a lot of foods at the beginning, but I did tolerate ground

beef patties, very ripe bananas, home made applesauce, baked acorn squash mashed

up with olive oil. You can try these. Carrots and butternut squash seemed to go

through me. Less trips to the bathroom and thicker is progress. It cam be a

slow process but worth it in the long run. Some people have difficulty with the

SCD yogurt and eggs, but I was able to eat them and DCCC from the get go. The

soups- made with bones- are very helpful. Check your poultry to be sure there is

no added broth or flavorings in the processing that may undo your hard work.

Also check the ground beef for that as well.

PJ

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> hey quick question here guys. been on the intro diet for about two and a half

weeks and have been sticking with the intro diet faithfully. really the only

improvements have been less trips to the bathroom. usually about 3 a day. no

improvements on the diareah though. some days maybe seems " thicker " than others

but thats it. i know every now and then a have a little honey so would it be a

good idea to cut that out for a few days? my diet is this: homemade yogurt in

the morning, followed by chicken soup for lunch and baked chicken or soup for

dinner. just want to hear from some people what theyre experiancing as far as

symptom-wise. just some what discouraged

>

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At 05:28 PM 8/19/2010, you wrote:

So you think day 12 I should be

eating fruit even though the bms are not all completely

formed?

That depends. SCD is intended to be a balanced diet, including meats,

vegetables, fruits, nuts, cheeses, and properly prepared yogurt.

At this point, I would probably not consider anything more than peeled,

de-seeded, and cooked fruit, i f you are going to eat fruit. Raw, very

ripe banana would probably be okay.

SCD isn't intended to be a low carbohydrate diet, so the recommendations

to go low carb would have Elaine turning in her grave.

I would, however, stick to small portions of fruit once or twice a day.

Keep you food diary going so you can chart results.

I ate small portions of about four or five foods, rotating every two

hours, for months. I didn't do well with fruit -- in fact, although

citrus is typically not recommended in the morning with gut issues, the

one thing I did do well with was Tropicana Original Orange Juice, about

half a cup, once or twice a day, and I diluted that with anywhere from

half a cup to a cup of water.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

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LOL- Now I know the REAL reason no one has done " official " research on SCD... we

are all SO DIFFERENT!!! PJ- I was able to tolerate squash right away and it even

helped my stools get formed. But I had (and still have) a harder time with

veggies like spinach and green beans!

Dylan- I think everyone who has responded has given you great advice. And as you

can see, though the overall concept behind this diet is concrete, actually

applying it is very unique to the individual. I would encourage you to not be

scared to try new things. The important thing (as emphasized by Alyssa) is to

keep a journal as you introduce each new foods so that you can tell if you can't

tolerate something. It seems like a lot of folks shy away from a lot of fruit in

the beginning, but I was okay with my apple & pear sauce (I just peeled and

de-seeded the fruit, put it on the stove for a few hours and then pureed it

all). And it was great to add to the yogurt in the afternoon and you don't need

any honey! This is just an example, but you get my drift...

-Joanna

SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 20mg Prednisone

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At 07:01 PM 8/19/2010, you wrote:

I was okay with my apple &

pear sauce (I just peeled and de-seeded the fruit, put it on the stove

for a few hours and then pureed it all).

Definitely all different!

Just for curiosity's sake, what kind of apples and pears did you

use?

For instance, I like Granny s, for drying and for applesauce -- and

I don't even bother with honey. But some people find that the Golden

Delicious work best for them. There are so many kinds of apples!

And so many kinds of pears!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

> Definitely all different!

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> Just for curiosity's sake, what kind of apples and pears did you use?

My staple mix for the first 8 months or so was with Fuji or Macintosh apples

with bosc pears. I think I did better with bosc than anjou, but i did try anjou

as well.

But oh my gosh, I just made a huge batch with granny smiths, nectarines and

apricots. It's like candy!!! But I never would have tried the nectarines or

apricots early in the diet.

-Joanna

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apple sauce and bananas - if they agree with you. maybe pear sauce (good againstyeast). So you think day 12 I should be eating fruit even though the bms are not all completely formed? <hohnen_esig_B_60red.png> ok so even if my symoptons havent cleared up its ok to continue forward? im a mechanic for the air force so im cursed by following direction to a T lol.Lol that's usually a good thing, though =) Yes, you should continue forward even with symptoms, because usually it takes a long time for your gut to heal, and that's too long to stay on such a limited diet. Not enough nutrients and variety.Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Prednisone 10 mg 1x per day (trying to wean!!!!)

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yep - I added that back in really early. if it doesn't make things worse andif you keep getting better that's fine.Marasweet cause im starting to have like no energy haha. also when you cook your meats do any of you use lemons? or should i just keep is plain jane for a while and just salt and pepper it?

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i put lemon on everything and in my water.... flavor flavor flavor... but everyone is different ....proceed with caution...

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 5:31:33 PMSubject: Re: problems with UC on the intro

sweet cause im starting to have like no energy haha. also when you cook your meats do any of you use lemons? or should i just keep is plain jane for a while and just salt and pepper it?

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Marilyn,I'm tapering off prednisone from 20mg and I'm now at 12.5mg. I'm getting better more formed bms but today I notice some bloody mucus. It was probably there but I may not have noticed it before. Should I still taper? Go up with the drug or stay on the drug at 12.5mg and wait til it's gone?Sorry to ask you all these questions. I will ask the doctor in the morning but I"m worried now. I have stuck faithfully to the diet.tte At 05:28 PM 8/19/2010, you wrote:So you think day 12 I should be eating fruit even though the bms are not all completely formed?That depends. SCD is intended to be a balanced diet, including meats, vegetables, fruits, nuts, cheeses, and properly prepared yogurt.At this point, I would probably not consider anything more than peeled, de-seeded, and cooked fruit, i f you are going to eat fruit. Raw, very ripe banana would probably be okay.SCD isn't intended to be a low carbohydrate diet, so the recommendations to go low carb would have Elaine turning in her grave. I would, however, stick to small portions of fruit once or twice a day. Keep you food diary going so you can chart results.I ate small portions of about four or five foods, rotating every two hours, for months. I didn't do well with fruit -- in fact, although citrus is typically not recommended in the morning with gut issues, the one thing I did do well with was Tropicana Original Orange Juice, about half a cup, once or twice a day, and I diluted that with anywhere from half a cup to a cup of water.— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle

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Dylan,

I have been on the diet for 6 weeks and my stools also seem no firmer then in

the beginning, in fact much looser as I am no longer eating any real fiber. I

have lost 25 lbs trying to find something in the intro diet that would allow me

to have formed BM's. I am losing hope! I want to expand my variety of foods

but affraid I will just go backward. I eat chicken and egg drop soup and started

some apple and pear sauce this week out of deperation. I can't allow myself to

wither away. Any one have more suggestions?

Thanks,

Phil

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> hey quick question here guys. been on the intro diet for about two and a half

weeks and have been sticking with the intro diet faithfully. really the only

improvements have been less trips to the bathroom. usually about 3 a day. no

improvements on the diareah though. some days maybe seems " thicker " than others

but thats it. i know every now and then a have a little honey so would it be a

good idea to cut that out for a few days? my diet is this: homemade yogurt in

the morning, followed by chicken soup for lunch and baked chicken or soup for

dinner. just want to hear from some people what theyre experiancing as far as

symptom-wise. just some what discouraged

>

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Phil,I'm on day 13 of the diet. I lost 7 in the beginning when I was sick and since I've been on the diet/using prednisone I have lost 12 more. I'm also still on the intro diet and very depressed as I still have symptoms and am getting better very slowly (sometimes I think I'm not getting better). I have stopped eating red meat as it is inflammatory apparently and I have cut eggs for a week to see if that gets any better. Can you add in butternut and kombucha squash? You need veggies to bind you. If you are having diarrhea I would avoid fruit except ripe bananas. Are you trying mediation? I hope this helps.tteDylan,I have been on the diet for 6 weeks and my stools also seem no firmer then in the beginning, in fact much looser as I am no longer eating any real fiber. I have lost 25 lbs trying to find something in the intro diet that would allow me to have formed BM's. I am losing hope! I want to expand my variety of foods but affraid I will just go backward. I eat chicken and egg drop soup and started some apple and pear sauce this week out of deperation. I can't allow myself to wither away. Any one have more suggestions?Thanks,Phil>> hey quick question here guys. been on the intro diet for about two and a half weeks and have been sticking with the intro diet faithfully. really the only improvements have been less trips to the bathroom. usually about 3 a day. no improvements on the diareah though. some days maybe seems "thicker" than others but thats it. i know every now and then a have a little honey so would it be a good idea to cut that out for a few days? my diet is this: homemade yogurt in the morning, followed by chicken soup for lunch and baked chicken or soup for dinner. just want to hear from some people what theyre experiancing as far as symptom-wise. just some what discouraged>

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Phil,

I wish you had spoken up earlier - you are absolutely not supposed to stay on

such a

a bare bones diet for 6 weeks on SCD. Sometimes people come in with the

misapprehension

that they cannot begin to add food until their stools have improved or their

symptoms have

mitigated. That is not true.

Mara

> Dylan,

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> I have been on the diet for 6 weeks and my stools also seem no firmer then in

the beginning, in fact much looser as I am no longer eating any real fiber. I

have lost 25 lbs trying to find something in the intro diet that would allow me

to have formed BM's. I am losing hope! I want to expand my variety of foods

but affraid I will just go backward. I eat chicken and egg drop soup and started

some apple and pear sauce this week out of deperation. I can't allow myself to

wither away. Any one have more suggestions?

> Thanks,

>

> Phil

>

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>> hey quick question here guys. been on the intro diet for about two and a half

weeks and have been sticking with the intro diet faithfully. really the only

improvements have been less trips to the bathroom. usually about 3 a day. no

improvements on the diareah though. some days maybe seems " thicker " than others

but thats it. i know every now and then a have a little honey so would it be a

good idea to cut that out for a few days? my diet is this: homemade yogurt in

the morning, followed by chicken soup for lunch and baked chicken or soup for

dinner. just want to hear from some people what theyre experiancing as far as

symptom-wise. just some what discouraged

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Any one have more suggestions?

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> > Phil

Hey Phil-

Like Mara said, the intro is meant to be followed for only 5 days at the most.

Then you need to start introducing more food. This link is a great resource that

breaks progression into stages and advises which foods to eat and how to

cook/prepare them (just note that it is dairy/casein free which you do not

necessarily have to be).

http://pecanbread.com/p/how/stages.html

I know it can be discouraging- but for every instant success story you are

reading about on this post, there a probably 3 others who take much longer to

heal and progress. Just as an example, I have been on the diet for almost a year

and I still don't have formed stool all the time (and I've never had a " normal "

bm). I even still have blood in my stools. But here's the thing- because I've

been keeping a diary of my symptoms and what I eat, I know that I've made

significant progress. I would not give up on this diet!

Best of luck,

Joanna

SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 20mg Prednisone

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

first for all sorry for my English, I'm from Ukraine. Here is my Intro experience: I can not tolerate soup at all, no jello, no carrots! I eat grape juice (1/2 with water) and 3 pouched organic eggs in the morning; then again grape juice and meat (white chicken boiled meat or boiled lean pork); in the evening I have my grape juice and 3 pouched eggs. That's all for now, I have my 3 day on the intro now and I feel very good, gaining weight, besides I breastfeed my 13 months daughter and on such a regimen I have planty of milk. I still can not tolerate goat yogurt, I will try it later on, maybe in a month or so...So I thought maybe my experience will be helpfull for someone.

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Hi Olga (I think that is your name -

Welcome to the group! Your english is very good!!!

Thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds like you are off to a great

start.

-Joanna

SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 20mg Prednisone

I thought maybe my experience will be helpfull for someone.

[Guest guest]

At 11:46 PM 8/20/2010, you wrote:

first for all sorry for my

English, I'm from Ukraine.

Welcome to the list -- and no need to apologize. Your English is very

good.

I also did well with cooked meats and eggs on the intro.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle