Re: All confused! Please help a newby!

[Guest guest]

Fiona,

As per the inro diet in BTVC, you need to add carrots to the chicken soup! Puree

it with the strained broth when the soup is done cooking. The carbs from the

carrots will help you. Also it is not recommended to follow 2 diets at the same

time - you will not only end up confusing yourself, you will not be following

either diet to the letter!

Eat any quantity of the intro foods including cheesecake that you like to avoid

staying hungry for too long. If you can't find DCCC (dry curd cottage cheese) in

your area use SCD yogurt that has been chilled 8 or so hours, then drained for

another 6ish hours and use the yogurt cheese instead of DCCC.

Follow the intro for about 2-3 days only, then start adding well cooked veggies

and fruit one at a time to see how you tolerate each one. The veggies and fruit

must be peeled with seeds removed.

Suneeti (Crohns, SCD 2000)

[Guest guest]

Hi Fiona,

Before I started on SCD I bought several diet books and found that they do

conflict in some areas. I had also hoped to come up with some combination that

would be the best of them all. Eventually I decided to only follow SCD. It was

overwhelming to learn all I needed to know about ONE diet, so I understand that

trying to combine them would really be hard.

One reason I picked SCD was that I do not have a PhD in biochemistry like Elaine

had- and that she developed SCD for her own daughter. I figured that she had

already put a lot of heartfelt work into this and that I did not have to re

create the wheel by looking at all the diets myself. It was a leap of faith on

my part that thankfully gave me good results. I also picked SCD because I had GI

issues. GAP seems to address the psychological aspects- and yes- they go hand in

hand- but it is best to pick one that suits you best.

So my advice is to start with one diet- then when you get used to it, you can

add aspects of the others- as long as they are legal, but if you try to combine

them all at once- you will get into inconsistencies as they are not completely

compatible. Pecanbread.com is very helpful, but it is a site for children with

ASD, and they do not use cow's milk products so there will be inconsistencies as

well there.

To add to this- we are all different and foods are trial and error. Not everyone

can eat all legal foods. Yes, you can eat the carrots from the soup, but carrots

don't agree with me so I take them out of the soup. I did much better with acorn

squash and zucchini at the beginning.

So start by learning one diet- and there is plenty of help here for SCD. Hope

you feel better.

PJ

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> Hi there!

> My name is Fiona.

> It is a week since I discovered the SCD and GAPS diets!

> So, as I always do in life, I dived right in, and now I am a tad overwhelmed!!

> I am getting confused with the different information from the BTVC book (which

I bought), the GAPS diet (Aust website) and the pecanbread.com website.

> I started following the GAPS 6 introduction stages, and at the same time have

been reading the book (BTVC) and websites. I haven't got the GAPS diet book, but

thought I'd be ok without it for a while (a girl can only afford so much!).

> So, now that I am reading now that just the book and following the 6 intro

stages at the same time, I am reading things that seem to conflict.

> It appears the intro should only go for 5 days maximum (according to the

pecanbread.com website) yet the GAPS diet says that you follow the 6 stages

according to how you're feeling symptomatically. I am only on stage 2 of the 6

stage intro diet (GAPS), and it is six nights ago that I started. I am confused

about what to do now.

> I started using kefir from the 4th day, and have been building up from 2 tsps

a day to 2 tsps at each meal, and 1 tspn upon rising. Also, I didn't realise in

the SCD and on pecanbread.com diet that I wasn't to have ANY veges in the first

5 (max) days... just the broths and meats.....

> Not sure what to do now, as I am quite fragile at the mo.... just feeling

confused, overwhelmed, and HUNGRY!!! I now am equiped with lots of amazing info

and knowledge, so cannot return to breads and rice etc. thgought, I feel that I

have done some amazing ground work, and really started to feel the die off, and

digestive calming / healing happening!

> I am finding that the BTVC book doesn't have enough details about how to start

the diet (intro stages, foods for the beginner etc), but then the pecan bread

website and GAPS website are conflicting....

> What should I do...???

> You're advice and guidance would be muchly appreciated.

> I am wishing to make a vege soup to have with chicken stock tonight, but

really unsure if I can have the actual veges, or scoop them out when they're

done.

> I have tired (not exhaustered) adrenals and cannot afford to lose any (more!?)

weight while following this.

> COmplete healing is my aim though!!

> Much gratitude,

> Fiona =)

>

[Guest guest]

you know due to yeast I haven't had carrots in about 1 1/2 years so i just have

the broth and soup when having D - like right now - wonder if i should add

carrots???

eileen

2 years 8 months scd

>

> Fiona,

> As per the inro diet in BTVC, you need to add carrots to the chicken soup!

Puree it with the strained broth when the soup is done cooking. The carbs from

the carrots will help you. Also it is not recommended to follow 2 diets at the

same time - you will not only end up confusing yourself, you will not be

following either diet to the letter!

> Eat any quantity of the intro foods including cheesecake that you like to

avoid staying hungry for too long. If you can't find DCCC (dry curd cottage

cheese) in your area use SCD yogurt that has been chilled 8 or so hours, then

drained for another 6ish hours and use the yogurt cheese instead of DCCC.

> Follow the intro for about 2-3 days only, then start adding well cooked

veggies and fruit one at a time to see how you tolerate each one. The veggies

and fruit must be peeled with seeds removed.

> Suneeti (Crohns, SCD 2000)

>

[Guest guest]

Eileen- I think it's individual. They went right through me, and I still don't

like them. You can get similar nutritional value from squashes- I like acorn but

now the big thing with my daughter is butternut. We don't put them in the soup.

We cut them in half, scoop the seeds out, add a little olive oil and salt, and

bake them until soft.

PJ

> >

> > Fiona,

> > As per the inro diet in BTVC, you need to add carrots to the chicken soup!

Puree it with the strained broth when the soup is done cooking. The carbs from

the carrots will help you. Also it is not recommended to follow 2 diets at the

same time - you will not only end up confusing yourself, you will not be

following either diet to the letter!

> > Eat any quantity of the intro foods including cheesecake that you like to

avoid staying hungry for too long. If you can't find DCCC (dry curd cottage

cheese) in your area use SCD yogurt that has been chilled 8 or so hours, then

drained for another 6ish hours and use the yogurt cheese instead of DCCC.

> > Follow the intro for about 2-3 days only, then start adding well cooked

veggies and fruit one at a time to see how you tolerate each one. The veggies

and fruit must be peeled with seeds removed.

> > Suneeti (Crohns, SCD 2000)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Fiona!

Everyone has given you great advice. I would reinforce that you should pick 1

diet that makes most sense for you and just do that one.

I also wanted to add clarification so you are not confused about the different

resources...

-BTVC (the book)- all of the SCD diet info is in there- what to eat on the

intro, just stay on the intro for 2-5 days, and when to introduce foods.

See: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

(this is not everything from the book, but it's Elaine's official site)

-Pecanbread.com- this is also the SCD diet, but focused for kids on the

spectrum. They do not include any information on dairy, so you would need to

reference the BTVC book. However, they offer much more guidance on which foods

to introduce, when to introduce them, and how to cook them.

See: http://www.pecanbread.com/p/how/stages.html

The BTVC book can be a little vague about when to introduce stuff, so that's why

pecanbread.com can be such a good tool. Most people roughly use the stages to

help get them started. But because healing is so individualized, you may find

that you add a food from a later stage that you do just fine with (in other

words, it's not set in stone).

You can always ask questions on this group site!

You can also ask the pecanbread group, but most members are focused on their

kids and not necessarily IBD or IBS.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/

I hope this helps with some of the confusion!

-Joanna

SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 20mg Prednisone

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> > I am finding that the BTVC book doesn't have enough details about how to

start the diet (intro stages, foods for the beginner etc), but then the pecan

bread website and GAPS website are conflicting....

> > What should I do...???