Re: SCD and Cholesterol

[Guest guest]

Just curious- when you say " suddenly, " what time frame are you talking about?

When was then last time you had it checked?

-Joanna

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> I started the diet SCD on July 5th and things have been going relatively well.

[Guest guest]

If you are increasing your carbs- this can raise cholesterol. I would try

cutting out some of the honey and fruit products and see if this helps. Exercise

helps too.

PJ

>

> I started the diet SCD on July 5th and things have been going relatively well.

>

> I just got back from the Doctor, and my cholesterol is suddenly high, when it

was never high in the past. My sugar was also up.

>

> For the past two months, I have been having cheesecake and cantaloupe for

breakfast, soup and some Almond flour muffins for lunch, and meat or fish for

dinner. I have also been having tons of SCD legal fruit crisps and apple cider.

I also sometimes eat plain farmer cheese, instead of cheesecake.

>

> I suspect that the culprits are the cheesecake (includes honey, farmer cheese

and eggs), red meat and possibly the almond muffins (includes eggs, honey and

almond flour.)

>

> I don't know what to do.

>

> I may go to a nutritionist to see if I can reconcile the SCD diet with a low

cholesterol diet.

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot,Although high, how was your good-to-bad cholesterol ratio? I am also not so certain that high cholesterol is entirely bad. I would definitely watch it and maybe make a few changes, but cholesterol is incredibly important in the running of the body and the production of hormones and steroids. It, in short, is the mother precursor hormone of them all. It is used to make the steroids, one of the more important ones is cortisol, which the body uses among other things, to control inflammation. You would definitely want to have a good supply of this when one has a condition like UC/Crohns. My doctor told me that high cholesterol on its own is not necessarily a condition that needs to be treated. The UK did a study gathering data from all over the world and

they found that if high cholesterol on its own was treated, the patient usually died! It was only in the presence of other markers like obesity, diabetes, smoking, certain races, gender, age, and high blood pressure was it important to treat the high cholesterol.Take that news of high cholesterol with a grain of salt......And I wouldn't be surprised that the levels fall again a bit later as your body regulates itself to its needs and some more healing occurs --- look to see if you continue to see trending up in your levels. As you are new to the diet, you will experience a period of great hunger and then after a bit the body adjusts to its new fuel source and your appetite should decrease and you should find yourself eating less. One thing I did notice was that you are consuming lots of fruit, but no veg. I would try to cut out some of the fruit and add veg. If you are craving sweet, you might be developing a yeast

problem -- you've starved off the bad bacteria, but if you aren't replenishing the good (didn't see yogurt on your list of foods) to keep the yeast in check it will over grow and it will cause you to crave sweet stuff and later cause more trouble. Definitely nip it in the bud right now and early on.AmeliaTo: BTVC-SCD Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 7:00:38 AMSubject: SCD and

Cholesterol

I started the diet SCD on July 5th and things have been going relatively well.

I just got back from the Doctor, and my cholesterol is suddenly high, when it was never high in the past. My sugar was also up.

For the past two months, I have been having cheesecake and cantaloupe for breakfast, soup and some Almond flour muffins for lunch, and meat or fish for dinner. I have also been having tons of SCD legal fruit crisps and apple cider. I also sometimes eat plain farmer cheese, instead of cheesecake.

I suspect that the culprits are the cheesecake (includes honey, farmer cheese and eggs), red meat and possibly the almond muffins (includes eggs, honey and almond flour.)

I don't know what to do.

I may go to a nutritionist to see if I can reconcile the SCD diet with a low cholesterol diet.

[Guest guest]

I recently got my cholesterol tested and the numbers were absolutely great.

Since I eat 4-5 eggs a day and red meat and coconut yogurt frequently, I was

sure that my numbers would be horrendous. Thank God, that wasn't the case.

I feel that high cholesterol is a result of having too many carbs and it sounds

like you are consuming an awful lot. Could you cut back a little and see if that

makes

a difference? Also, try baking with ground walnuts instead of almonds. They are

supposed to be great at lowering cholesterol.

I watch my carbs and have no honey or baked goods at all anymore. I do have

bananas

and dates. My advice would be to stick with healthier choices on the diet such

as

chicken and fish, eggs and veggies and have fewer sweets including apple cider.

That will definitely help bring down your sugar levels too.

How high was your cholesterol? Many believe that the ranges that most doctors

have are unnecessarily stringent because they help to sell more statins.

I hope your results improve with time. The diet does require tweaking and I hope

you

find what works best for you.

Celiac, UC, parasites

SCD since December 2008

>

> I started the diet SCD on July 5th and things have been going relatively well.

>

> I just got back from the Doctor, and my cholesterol is suddenly high, when it

was never high in the past. My sugar was also up.

>

> For the past two months, I have been having cheesecake and cantaloupe for

breakfast, soup and some Almond flour muffins for lunch, and meat or fish for

dinner. I have also been having tons of SCD legal fruit crisps and apple cider.

I also sometimes eat plain farmer cheese, instead of cheesecake.

>

> I suspect that the culprits are the cheesecake (includes honey, farmer cheese

and eggs), red meat and possibly the almond muffins (includes eggs, honey and

almond flour.)

>

> I don't know what to do.

>

> I may go to a nutritionist to see if I can reconcile the SCD diet with a low

cholesterol diet.

>

[Guest guest]

Remember that we do have to eat the foods that are right for our body, and make

adjustments depending on how each of our body processes are functioning. We

have to consider things other than digestion, in other words. It is unfortunate

that many of us can't eat everything that is permitted on SCD -- it all depends

on our own body's metabolism and other functions.

Blood glucose is one of the things that some of us have to be careful with. I

have insulin resistance, so have to be careful about fruits and sugars, or I end

up dealing with extreme fluctuations in my blood sugar levels and my fasting

blood glucose level starts to climb. I only eat one serving of fruit per day as

a result, and always eat it with other carbs and fats so I can control the blood

glucose reactions. I also deal with occasional hypoglycemia, so I've learned to

eat small meals throughout the day in order to keep my blood glucose levels

stable. My blood glucose meter is my friend [grin].

Cholesterol is yet another issue that some of us have to be more careful with.

I had high cholesterol when I started SCD but it has dropped to " extremely " good

levels (my doctors' words!) since being on SCD despite my eating eggs every day

and eating red meat several times a week. But I also eat " lean carb " SCD

because of my digestion, so I'm eating the right foods for my body's metabolism

and maintaining the right levels of cholesterol.

So, you also need to adjust the foods you're eating, to better suit your own

body.

By the way, cholesterol levels do increase during healing phases, so the jump in

cholesterol could be temporary. I wouldn't worry too much about cholesterol

unless your next blood work in six months is still high. In the meantime you

can make adjustments to your foods to get a better balance of carbs that is

right for your body.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

>

> I started the diet SCD on July 5th and things have been going relatively well.

>

> I just got back from the Doctor, and my cholesterol is suddenly high, when it

was never high in the past. My sugar was also up.

>

> For the past two months, I have been having cheesecake and cantaloupe for

breakfast, soup and some Almond flour muffins for lunch, and meat or fish for

dinner. I have also been having tons of SCD legal fruit crisps and apple cider.

I also sometimes eat plain farmer cheese, instead of cheesecake.

>

> I suspect that the culprits are the cheesecake (includes honey, farmer cheese

and eggs), red meat and possibly the almond muffins (includes eggs, honey and

almond flour.)

>

> I don't know what to do.

>

> I may go to a nutritionist to see if I can reconcile the SCD diet with a low

cholesterol diet.

>

[Guest guest]

So, are these reasons why my cholesterol remains GREAT? Genes probably help

here, too, but I eat very low-carb and do exercise from time-to-time.

Artful Carol

> >

> > I started the diet SCD on July 5th and things have been going relatively

well.

> >

> > I just got back from the Doctor, and my cholesterol is suddenly high, when

it

> >was never high in the past. My sugar was also up.

> >

> >

> > For the past two months, I have been having cheesecake and cantaloupe for

> >breakfast, soup and some Almond flour muffins for lunch, and meat or fish for

> >dinner. I have also been having tons of SCD legal fruit crisps and apple

cider.

> >I also sometimes eat plain farmer cheese, instead of cheesecake.

> >

> > I suspect that the culprits are the cheesecake (includes honey, farmer

cheese

> >and eggs), red meat and possibly the almond muffins (includes eggs, honey and

> >almond flour.)

> >

> > I don't know what to do.

> >

> > I may go to a nutritionist to see if I can reconcile the SCD diet with a low

> >cholesterol diet.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what my cholesterol used to be. I did not go to the doctor much

before I started having the stomach pains this past year. I went to a

gastroenterologist who was also an internist. He did a full physical and took

tons of blood tests over the year, and always said everything was fine except

for a blood cell count, which had something to do with my IBD, which he

diagnosed.

For various reasons, I recently switched to a great new gastroenterologists, who

specializes in IBD,

So, when it came time for my physical, I needed a new internist too.

I found one, and had the physical. He took a blood test, and reported that

everything is no longer fine.

I am not really familiar with how the count works, as there are many numbers.

One says " Cholesterol 233 high. " The other says " LDL (Calc.) 159 high "

Now, here is an odd variable. My prior doctor never had me fast before a blood

test. And everything was always good.

The new doctor had me fast 10-12 hours before (I did 10.) Now, since I could not

have breakfast, I ate a ton of food the day before, and had 4 pieces of grilled

chicken and a full bottle of Apple cider for dinner the night before, at about

9:30 PM. I wonder if that may have played a role in the resulting blood count?

Except for water, I did fast the 10 hours, though.

[Guest guest]

I have never had parasites to my knowledge.

On the plus side, I just noticed that my white blood cell count is now 7.6, very

much in range. That never happened before. I wonder if that is a testament to

the effectiveness of the SCD. Now, if I can only figure out a way to fix my

cholesterol…

>

>

> Hi, I noticed that your signiture included " parasites " how did you know you

had them what testing was done and any symptoms.....I think I may have them as

well.

> Thanks, Jana

>

> Juniata G

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[Guest guest]

A friend of mine, who is diabetic and therefore watches her diet

pretty well, has been eating a lot more eggs in recent months. She

said her cholesterol has gone down. She also said she is sure her

doctor would faint if she admitted this! Don't forget, too, that if

it's too low it raises your odds of getting cancer. I think like

many other things some doctors and others are really overdoing this

low cholesterol business.

[Guest guest]

When I started SCD, my cholesterol and triglycerides were both high. After about

6 months or so, my triglycerides dropped from around 160 to around 88. My fat

intake hadn't changed (it's always been pretty high), so it was the decrease in

carbs that helped. My cholesterol didn't drop though. My doctor wants me on a

statin, so I've been taking Pantehine for the last couple months. I get my blood

tested next week to see if it has lowered my LDL at all. If not, I'm compiling a

list of reasons of why I will NOT take a statin. My HDL is very high, and the

ratio between HDL and LDL in range, so I'm not really worried.

Also, think about getting a retest. My doc wanted me on a statin based on the

jump from 260 to 311 in my cholesterol. I didn't take the statin, and my next

test 2 months later was back down to 260. IMHO, the lab screwed up somehow.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> I started the diet SCD on July 5th and things have been going relatively well.

>

> I just got back from the Doctor, and my cholesterol is suddenly high, when it

was never high in the past. My sugar was also up.

>

> For the past two months, I have been having cheesecake and cantaloupe for

breakfast, soup and some Almond flour muffins for lunch, and meat or fish for

dinner. I have also been having tons of SCD legal fruit crisps and apple cider.

I also sometimes eat plain farmer cheese, instead of cheesecake.

>

> I suspect that the culprits are the cheesecake (includes honey, farmer cheese

and eggs), red meat and possibly the almond muffins (includes eggs, honey and

almond flour.)

>

> I don't know what to do.

>

> I may go to a nutritionist to see if I can reconcile the SCD diet with a low

cholesterol diet.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I just read about this in the UC-Berkeley Wellness Letter. It's the *size*

of the cholesterol particles that matters. (Big is good.) The (mainstream!)

newsletter article also admits that saturated fats are not the culprit

scientists once thought, but still recommends healthier fats (olive oil, etc.).

Unfortunately, I don't think this article is available online unless you're a

subscriber.

, mom to

>

> Apparently the standard tests that just divide between good and bad

cholesterol

> are not really relevant. " Bad " cholesterol is made up of fat, fluffy

cholesterol,

> which is not problematic at all, and small, hard cholesterol - and that is the

> marker that is problematic. So until the cholesterol tests that can test for

this

> dichotomy are standardized, the total " bad " cholesterol figure doesn't really

give

> you specific, helpful information.

>

> Mara

>

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:08:34 -0000

> >From: BTVC-SCD (on behalf of " Elliott006 "

> )

> >Subject: Re: SCD and Cholesterol

> >To: BTVC-SCD

> >

> >I am not sure what my cholesterol used to be. I did not go to the doctor much

> before I started having the stomach pains this past year. I went to a

> gastroenterologist who was also an internist. He did a full physical and took

> tons of blood tests over the year, and always said everything was fine except

for

> a blood cell count, which had something to do with my IBD, which he diagnosed.

> >

> >For various reasons, I recently switched to a great new gastroenterologists,

> who specializes in IBD,

> >

> >So, when it came time for my physical, I needed a new internist too.

> >

> >I found one, and had the physical. He took a blood test, and reported that

> everything is no longer fine.

> >

> >I am not really familiar with how the count works, as there are many numbers.

> >

> >One says " Cholesterol 233 high. " The other says " LDL (Calc.) 159 high "

> >

> >

> >Now, here is an odd variable. My prior doctor never had me fast before a

blood

> test. And everything was always good.

> >

> >The new doctor had me fast 10-12 hours before (I did 10.) Now, since I could

> not have breakfast, I ate a ton of food the day before, and had 4 pieces of

grilled

> chicken and a full bottle of Apple cider for dinner the night before, at about

9:30

> PM. I wonder if that may have played a role in the resulting blood count?

Except

> for water, I did fast the 10 hours, though.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

<<the only times I really struggle at all are when I have a few too many drinks

with my friends,>>

I'm curious how alcohol really does affect

atheroschlerosis. I notice that folks use it as an excuse to imbibe. Am

wondering if red wine really IS that great and where the point is where alcohol

starts affect us negatively.

Artful Carol

>

> I can tell you that I eat 2 eggs and 2 egg whites for breakfast everyday since

getting back on this diet and just had a physical...

> My total cholesterol went from 110 to 105 (from last year).

> HDL is now 40, up from 33 a year ago.

> and my LDL (bad cholesterol) is 59, down from 67 last year.

>

> In fact, this diet has helped improved ALL my blood levels -- even my iron

level is now normal, even though the general physician still wants me to take an

iron supplement (screw that). I think the point is, the diet eventually balances

everything out -- it seems to be doing that for me -- the only times I really

struggle at all are when I have a few too many drinks with my friends, which you

shouldn't really do anyway. I'm not an expert, but I'd just say to stick with

the diet and be patient.  Speaking from experience, it does take a while to

really notice a difference.

[Guest guest]

<<A friend of mine, who is diabetic and therefore watches her diet

pretty well, has been eating a lot more eggs in recent months. She

said her cholesterol has gone down. She also said she is sure her

doctor would faint if she admitted this! >>

THIRTY years ago Jim Heffley, PhD,

was saying that despite the media party line EGGS weren't the culprit but other

nutritional deficiencies that made the metabolism of the cholesterol defective.

Artful Carol

[Guest guest]

That certainly makes sense to me that if we get the body out of whack all

kinds of things can happen. And we know from the last decades that

regular medicine (and the media) take very simplistic views of a lot of

things that aren't that simple.

<<A friend of mine, who is diabetic and therefore watches her

diet

pretty well, has been eating a lot more eggs in recent months. She

said her cholesterol has gone down. She also said she is sure her

doctor would faint if she admitted this! >>

THIRTY years ago Jim Heffley, PhD, was saying that despite the media

party line EGGS weren't the culprit but other nutritional deficiencies

that made the metabolism of the cholesterol defective. Artful Carol