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In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lgallagher95830@... writes:

Hi all,

I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a long story.

This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm going to get my nose

fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before surgery should I start packing

in the protein? I see my plastic surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date

then.

Thanks as always!!!

~~~~~~~~~

Peace,

G

Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

Hugs,

Katt Morales

Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a

man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

--Winston Churchill

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If protein is stored in the body, it is stored as fat. You can bulk up

your protein level by exercising, but just eating is not going to do

much. My $.02

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

Kattz4me4ever@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> lgallagher95830@... writes:

> Hi all,

>

> I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a long story.

> This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm going to get my

nose

> fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before surgery should I start packing

> in the protein? I see my plastic surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date

> then.

>

> Thanks as always!!!

>

> ~~~~~~~~~

> Peace,

> G

> Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

>

> Hugs,

>

> Katt Morales

> Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

>

> We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a

> man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

> --Winston Churchill

>

>

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I honestly don't recall where I read that. The gist was that protein

can be broken down into fat molecules and stored as fat. The source may

have been incorrect, but I doubt it. I would be interested in hearing

more on the subject.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

Amber Reid wrote:

>

> Ray - this is not correct - where do you obtain such " interesting "

> information???

> Amber Reid, RN, CDMS, CCM, CLCP

>

> Re: Question about protein loading

>

> If protein is stored in the body, it is stored as fat. You can bulk up

> your protein level by exercising, but just eating is not going to do

> much. My $.02

>

> Ray Hooks

> For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

>

> Kattz4me4ever@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > lgallagher95830@... writes: Hi all,

> >

> > I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a long

> > story. This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm

> > going to get my nose fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before

> > surgery should I start packing in the protein? I see my plastic

> > surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date then.

> >

> > Thanks as always!!!

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~

> > Peace,

> > G

> > Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Katt Morales

> > Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> > Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> > Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> > Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

> >

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In a message dated 1/28/2004 12:20:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ray@... writes:

" Excess protein, not utilized for tissue repair or growth or as an

energy source is converted by the body to fat and stored. "

====================================

Of course, eating more calories than we use causes fat, whether it is protein

or carbs.

Fay Bayuk

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Here are a few sources for this:

" Excess protein taxes the liver and kidneys, and does nothing to

increase muscle mass because the excess that is not used for energy is

converted to fat. http://www.free-weightloss.com/Diet/high_protein.htm

" Excessive protein will be converted by the liver and stored as fat. "

http://www.healthgoods.com/Education/Nutrition_Information/Nutrition_Short_Cours\

e/nutrition_basics.htm

" Many people believe incorrectly that protein is converted into muscle.

It is not. The protein we eat is broken down into its components, amino

acids. Then if a person uses their muscles, some of the amino acids are

recombined into muscle protein two days later. Yes, two days. This means

that eating a big steak dinner the night before a football game is

useless for the game. This is not my opinion. This is well-known among

coaches who study nutrition. Some coaches don't study nutrition.

For example, a man who has an office job where he does not do a lot of

manual labor requires about 52 grams of protein per day. If he eats meat

at all three meals, he eats far too much protein to maintain his weight,

and the excess protein in converted into fat. "

http://www.ibhealth.net/articles/010020021023art1.html

" Excess protein, not utilized for tissue repair or growth or as an

energy source is converted by the body to fat and stored. "

http://www.ifafitness.com/book1/protein.htm

enough said.

Ray Hooks

Amber Reid wrote:

>

> Ray - this is not correct - where do you obtain such " interesting "

> information???

> Amber Reid, RN, CDMS, CCM, CLCP

>

> Re: Question about protein loading

>

> If protein is stored in the body, it is stored as fat. You can bulk up

> your protein level by exercising, but just eating is not going to do

> much. My $.02

>

> Ray Hooks

> For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

>

> Kattz4me4ever@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > lgallagher95830@... writes: Hi all,

> >

> > I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a long

> > story. This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm

> > going to get my nose fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before

> > surgery should I start packing in the protein? I see my plastic

> > surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date then.

> >

> > Thanks as always!!!

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~

> > Peace,

> > G

> > Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Katt Morales

> > Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> > Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> > Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> > Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

> >

> > We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is

> > like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the

> > handle. --Winston Churchill

> >

> >

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Well, that scares me. I must be spending it like pennies,. I weighed

106 this morning and have been getting over 180g a day in supplement,

plus whatever protein food sneaks into me.

Does that mean that without protein supps I would shrink away and

vanish? OH yeah, I know with my distal I'd die of malnutrition, but

would I shrink first?

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Re: Question about protein loading

> If protein is stored in the body, it is stored as fat. You can

bulk up

> your protein level by exercising, but just eating is not going to

do

> much. My $.02

>

> Ray Hooks

> For WLS nutrition info, visit

> http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

>

>

> Kattz4me4ever@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > lgallagher95830@... writes:

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a

long story.

> > This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm

going to get my nose

> > fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before surgery should I

start packing

> > in the protein? I see my plastic surgeon on Feb 11th and we're

setting a date

> > then.

> >

> > Thanks as always!!!

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~

> > Peace,

> > G

> > Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Katt Morales

> > Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> > Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> > Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> > Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

> >

> > We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into

prosperity is like a

> > man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the

handle.

> > --Winston Churchill

> >

> >

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So this all applies to normies? People who abosrb everything?

OK, back to my usual station.

Thanks,

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If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

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Re: Question about protein loading

> >

> > If protein is stored in the body, it is stored as fat. You can

bulk up

> > your protein level by exercising, but just eating is not going

to do

> > much. My $.02

> >

> > Ray Hooks

> > For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

> >

> > Kattz4me4ever@... wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > lgallagher95830@... writes: Hi all,

> > >

> > > I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a

long

> > > story. This is the second time. And while they are doing that

I'm

> > > going to get my nose fixed and a lower face lift. How soon

before

> > > surgery should I start packing in the protein? I see my

plastic

> > > surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date then.

> > >

> > > Thanks as always!!!

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~

> > > Peace,

> > > G

> > > Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Katt Morales

> > > Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> > > Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> > > Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> > > Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

> > >

> > > We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into

prosperity is

> > > like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up

by the

> > > handle. --Winston Churchill

> > >

> > >

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there is your answer, EXCESS protein. since we malabsorb protein, I think it

would be really hard for us to have excess. Plus this refers to non-wls who

are eating excessive amounts that the body has to digest and break down.

Ours goes in ready to use, the body doesn't have to work at it.

Just my 2 cents

Phyllis

Re: Question about protein loading

>

> If protein is stored in the body, it is stored as fat. You can bulk up

> your protein level by exercising, but just eating is not going to do

> much. My $.02

>

> Ray Hooks

> For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

>

> Kattz4me4ever@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > lgallagher95830@... writes: Hi all,

> >

> > I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a long

> > story. This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm

> > going to get my nose fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before

> > surgery should I start packing in the protein? I see my plastic

> > surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date then.

> >

> > Thanks as always!!!

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~

> > Peace,

> > G

> > Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Katt Morales

> > Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> > Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> > Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> > Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

> >

> > We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is

> > like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the

> > handle. --Winston Churchill

> >

> >

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Well, when I was a normie, just before surgery, I lost 15lbs using just 2 shakes

per day and still eating 3 meals. Of course, I also cut out all sugar and toned

down the carbs. I had no problems and didn't gain weight. Get me straight

here, I toned down the carbs, but still ate them. I ate pretty normally, but

with

the shakes I was able to satisfy my protein needs and also was able to load

for surgery and faster healing. Wanna know if it worked? I was back at work

12 days after surgery. (I was lap rny and had a sit down job.)

Now, having no idea how proximal I am, which I know that I am based on my

slow weight loss, I only do 2 per day minimum and a max of 4 @ 30g each.

On days that I get the max, I actually eat less. I am of the opinion that there

is

no way a distal can overload on protein shakes. A proximal? That isn't so

easy to see, we're all different. For me, the protein shakes haven't hurt me one

bit.

M

> > >

> > > In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > lgallagher95830@y... writes: Hi all,

> > >

> > > I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a long

> > > story. This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm

> > > going to get my nose fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before

> > > surgery should I start packing in the protein? I see my plastic

> > > surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date then.

> > >

> > > Thanks as always!!!

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~

> > > Peace,

> > > G

> > > Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Katt Morales

> > > Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> > > Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> > > Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> > > Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

> > >

> > > We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is

> > > like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the

> > > handle. --Winston Churchill

> > >

> > >

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Interesting info Ray - but please reference professional Medical or

Nutrition Journals. The majority of these are marketing articles. Amber

Re: Question about protein loading

>

> If protein is stored in the body, it is stored as fat. You can bulk

> up your protein level by exercising, but just eating is not going to

> do much. My $.02

>

> Ray Hooks

> For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

>

> Kattz4me4ever@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 01/26/2004 6:03:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > lgallagher95830@... writes: Hi all,

> >

> > I have to get my sinuses scraped...yeah, I know, gross and a long

> > story. This is the second time. And while they are doing that I'm

> > going to get my nose fixed and a lower face lift. How soon before

> > surgery should I start packing in the protein? I see my plastic

> > surgeon on Feb 11th and we're setting a date then.

> >

> > Thanks as always!!!

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~

> > Peace,

> > G

> > Ouchie ! Start protein loading NOW....

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Katt Morales

> > Surgery Date: 01/07/2003

> > Dr. Terry Sanderfer - Open RNY Distal

> > Beginning Weight: 300 Current Weight: 148

> > Weight Lost: 152 Goal Weight: 135-144

> >

> > We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is

> > like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the

> > handle. --Winston Churchill

> >

> >

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