Re: Hi ....I'm back, and the only emotion I have left is, Numb!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob!

I myself haven't posted here in ages.... I was just thinking about

you the other day wondering how you've been doing and how everything

has progressed since your second surgery- so I was glad to see your

name pop up in the messages, BUT I am so sorry about the ongoing

problems with your mouth!!!! I don't think I'd know how to feel

either.... My blood pressure was so elevated that my primary doctor

was monitoring it after I learned I might need a second surgery for a

bone graft! Fortunately, my jaw healed on its own every so slowly but

surely, but my teeth are a tad screwy now due to starting elastics

prematurely. My bite is a little canted now, but I am hoping that

ortho can fix it. Anyway, I can't imagine what you must be feeling. I

wish your post was written under better circumstances. Is there no

way that your ortho can move your teeth??? I can't imagine how your

jaw must have relapsed a second time. I know personally, my teeth

certainly weren't anywhere near where they needed to be once I was on

the other side of the surgery- mostly I think because there was so

much assymetry all around. On one side the bite was decent, but on

the other side, my teeth were meeting end to end. Slowly through the

work of rubber bands we've been shifting the teeth into position. The

surgeon assured that the bones were in the right position, but that I

just had a lot of ortho left ahead of me. I am jealous of those who

emerge with perfect bites after their surgery, but I can't imagine

your nightmare..... There isn't anything your ortho can do

orthodontically i.e. NON-surgically? It is the bone that is mal-

positioned? I will hope for the very best news from your surgeon-

that your bones are perfect and that your teeth just need some

alignment work. When will you hear from your surgeon? You and my

family are in my prayers! Keep in touch and let me know how you are

doing! I am still around lately, just not posting as much (I was

overseas for a month and am completely out of touch with this group

now!) Please take good care and hang in there, numb and all.....

Katja

> I've been reading and cheering you all on in silence for the past

> couple months since I last posted....I had my 2nd surgery may

23 /05 a

> result of a total relapse of my 1st surgery march

8/05....mandibular

> osteotomy setback 5mm and geino forward 5 to balance...this all a

> result of a dental disaster (long story /short) I have a class 3

> malloclusion I did not even know what that meant,(I dont even know

how

> to spell it) I was 45 at the time....My teeth caused me No problems

at

> all , they were shifting around a bit.....did'nt look that great

but

> did'nt look that bad either......He said instead of me having my

face

> rearranged (Surgery) he would create an " end to end " bite , by

> crowning all my teeth and having them meet " head on " to compensate

for

> the class 3 malloclusion.....I did'nt know that that would bring my

> good life, to a grinding halt!...and obvious he was'nt aware

> either......

> Feb 7 , when they booked my surgery for March, My wife and I and

> freinds of ours booked a 10 dayer for vegas sept25/05 to celebrate

the

> end of a nightmare,...I KNEW Already before I saw the ortho

yesterday,

> my teeth had returned to colliding head on....and I am know wearing

an

> acrylic splint 24/7 till I hear from the surgeon again..........

> Has any one out there had 3 surgerys on the lower, and is that even

> possible...Why would it relapse twice???/ I'm full of plates wires

and

> screws, 2times.. Right Now I don't even know if I should laugh or

> cry....done both now, I'm just numb ,like my lip/gums and chin......

>

> thanks for listening

> bob

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I'm so sorry. I remember when you were having your second surgery.

It was around the time I was originally supposed to be scheduled to

have my surgery (I didn't have it until July 22nd). I had a class 3

mallclusion also, and pray I don't have a relapse. After your

surgeries did they wire you, band you, or neither? How long did you

have a splint in? We will be all thinking about you and sending out

good thoughts to you. Focus on your upcoming vacation, hopefully

that will help to pass the time. Curious, but now how often is your

OS seeing you? Also, you are still planning on taking your trip,

right?

PS to Katja- Glad to hear you're still out there. I've missed

seeing your's and Jane P.'s posts on the board. I hope all goes

well with you.

Connie

> I've been reading and cheering you all on in silence for the past

> couple months since I last posted....I had my 2nd surgery may

23 /05 a

> result of a total relapse of my 1st surgery march

8/05....mandibular

> osteotomy setback 5mm and geino forward 5 to balance...this all a

> result of a dental disaster (long story /short) I have a class 3

> malloclusion I did not even know what that meant,(I dont even know

how

> to spell it) I was 45 at the time....My teeth caused me No

problems at

> all , they were shifting around a bit.....did'nt look that great

but

> did'nt look that bad either......He said instead of me having my

face

> rearranged (Surgery) he would create an " end to end " bite , by

> crowning all my teeth and having them meet " head on " to compensate

for

> the class 3 malloclusion.....I did'nt know that that would bring

my

> good life, to a grinding halt!...and obvious he was'nt aware

> either......

> Feb 7 , when they booked my surgery for March, My wife and I and

> freinds of ours booked a 10 dayer for vegas sept25/05 to celebrate

the

> end of a nightmare,...I KNEW Already before I saw the ortho

yesterday,

> my teeth had returned to colliding head on....and I am know

wearing an

> acrylic splint 24/7 till I hear from the surgeon again..........

> Has any one out there had 3 surgerys on the lower, and is that

even

> possible...Why would it relapse twice???/ I'm full of plates wires

and

> screws, 2times.. Right Now I don't even know if I should laugh or

> cry....done both now, I'm just numb ,like my lip/gums and

chin......

>

> thanks for listening

> bob

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear of your ongoing problem. Since you hadn't posted for a

while, we all assume that you were doing well. It is amazing had

strong those jaw muscles can be. Please keep us posted on your

progress. BTW-hope you still take your trip to Vegas, it might lift

your spirits. I live in Vegas, the end of Sept. should be a good

(meaning not tooooo hot) time to be here.

a

> I've been reading and cheering you all on in silence for the past

> couple months since I last posted....I had my 2nd surgery may

23 /05 a

> result of a total relapse of my 1st surgery march

8/05....mandibular

> osteotomy setback 5mm and geino forward 5 to balance...this all a

> result of a dental disaster (long story /short) I have a class 3

> malloclusion I did not even know what that meant,(I dont even know

how

> to spell it) I was 45 at the time....My teeth caused me No problems

at

> all , they were shifting around a bit.....did'nt look that great

but

> did'nt look that bad either......He said instead of me having my

face

> rearranged (Surgery) he would create an " end to end " bite , by

> crowning all my teeth and having them meet " head on " to compensate

for

> the class 3 malloclusion.....I did'nt know that that would bring my

> good life, to a grinding halt!...and obvious he was'nt aware

> either......

> Feb 7 , when they booked my surgery for March, My wife and I and

> freinds of ours booked a 10 dayer for vegas sept25/05 to celebrate

the

> end of a nightmare,...I KNEW Already before I saw the ortho

yesterday,

> my teeth had returned to colliding head on....and I am know wearing

an

> acrylic splint 24/7 till I hear from the surgeon again..........

> Has any one out there had 3 surgerys on the lower, and is that even

> possible...Why would it relapse twice???/ I'm full of plates wires

and

> screws, 2times.. Right Now I don't even know if I should laugh or

> cry....done both now, I'm just numb ,like my lip/gums and chin......

>

> thanks for listening

> bob

[Guest guest]

First, Bob, I am so sorry. That must be awful to even have to

contemplate doing this thing three times. I wasn't crazy about doing

it once, and wouldn't have been happy with twice, even once I

realized that mine was a pretty easy procedure.

It's not unheard of for one to have the surgery three times. I can

think of fewer than 10 people who have had to do so -- and my own

surgeon was appalled when I told him that I knew of some. It seemed

unheard of to him. (For the record, he did a quick, easy, simple,

fine piece of work for me, and I had little swelling and no numbness.

He fixed what ailed me, and I'd go back to him in a flash.) For one,

her doc admitted that he placed her jaw in the wrong place the first

time. I don't know what he told her about the second.

Another had long-standing, in fact congenital, problems with her

joints, which apparently predisposed her to relapse.. And of course

(minirascal) who's still posting, is just about out of the

woods, but she's had a pretty bumpy road, thanks to arthritis and

other joint and jaw problems.

If I may be so bold as to make suggestions:

Has anyone specifically addressed undoing the damage that first

crackpot dentist did with the crowns? I'd be asking about that, for

sure.

Have you had consults with other surgeons, and with the one(s) whose

work has relapsed, about why this has happened to you? I'll bet the

answer to that one is yes. But I certainly wouldn't be shy, after

going through this twice, about asking whatever surgeon I planned to

use on round three to have extensive consults with my ortho and with

the other surgeons, or any other surgeons he or she might find

helpful.

Best to you.

Cammie