Re: My appointment at the UWMC

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Beverley

glad you went for appointment and have a better handle on what is going on with you

i have been on Cellcept for about a year

did he prescribe an antibiotic with the cellcept?

last year i was in the donut hole by mid january, the catastrophic phase by mid february

now it's time to start all over again

with the cellcept, they are able to keep the prednisone at a lower level

10 mgs prednisone works for me

good luck with selling your house

Pink Joyce R (IPF 3/06) IFA 5/09 Pennsylvania

Donate Life Listed 1/09 Inactive 4/09

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Subject: My appointment at the UWMCTo: Breathe-Support Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:20 PM

I guess I got good news from Dr. Raghu. I am another one of those bird and mold women but I don't have birds. A few years back I had to have a new roof put on. When they took the old one down it was so rotten that you could see dust containing mold and who knows what falling down into my house. I live in an older mobile and the beams where the two pieces of the house are put together form an open space clear across the house. Birds had been nesting in there until it was full. I hope that they cleaned it out but I'm not sure. So I have PF caused from Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis or as Joyce calls it birds, and in my case mold too. I really have to get this place sold. He put me on Cell Cept so that looks like it could put me in the do-nut hole pretty fast. He told me to see a Rheumitologist about my pain. I guess I was lucky. He only took 8 vials of blood. I have another appointment in April. They didn't send him the results of my

Echocardiogram so he wants me to see my cardiologist. I'm do to see him anyhow. He is suppose to be sending a printout with the results of what he found to the doctors and to me. We should get them in a couple of weeks. He also talked me into taking 5mg of Prednisone a day. He wanted 10 but I refused. went with me and we visited while I was doing a lot of waiting. She probably remembers more that I do. I was so exhausted that I slept for hours yesterday with my computer online on my lap. Bob is sick. I think it was too much for him too but he wouldn't like to admit that. Erna, I hope that we can meet in April unless I manage to get moved by then. It looks like a lost cause, though. My doctors sent Dr Raghu everything he needed. I just had a few papers to fill out. Maybe you can get them sent too. When is your appointment?Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold 1-09,Diabetes, Sjogren's, Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

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Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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For those on Cellcept,How much Cellcept are you on? I am on 1500mg bid. They tried to lower it to 1000mg, but the cough got worse. I am also on 10 mg of prednisone, which does seem to help.Kathy ILD 3/08 Type 2 diabetes forever ago

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

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Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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1000 mgs twice a day

total 2000 mgs per day

plus

10 mgs prednisone

tried to get down to 7 mgs, but had to increase again

Pink Joyce R (IPF 3/06) IFA 5/09 Pennsylvania

Donate Life Listed 1/09 Inactive 4/09

www.transplantfund.org---

Subject: Re: My appointment at the UWMCTo: Breathe-Support Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 12:00 PM

For those on Cellcept,How much Cellcept are you on? I am on 1500mg bid. They tried to lower it to 1000mg, but the cough got worse. I am also on 10 mg of prednisone, which does seem to help.Kathy ILD 3/08 Type 2 diabetes forever ago

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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I kept asking my pulmo guy if I could have gotten this from mold and he has said that I have IPF and that isn't from mold. The last job I had we moved into another store, and immediately I knew and could smell mold I worked there in that building I think for about 10 months and I was kinda sick all the time. Before I left I went in the basement and did some searching and guess what I found. You are right lots of BLACK MOLD, I think this is what started it all I may be wrong but I think so. Gascoigne SD, 50 yrs old, Renaud's 2008, IPF 7/2009To: Breathe-Support Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 10:20:50 PMSubject: My appointment at the UWMC

I guess I got good news from Dr. Raghu. I am another one of those bird and mold women but I don't have birds. A few years back I had to have a new roof put on. When they took the old one down it was so rotten that you could see dust containing mold and who knows what falling down into my house. I live in an older mobile and the beams where the two pieces of the house are put together form an open space clear across the house. Birds had been nesting in there until it was full. I hope that they cleaned it out but I'm not sure. So I have PF caused from Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis or as Joyce calls it birds, and in my case mold too. I really have to get this place

sold. He put me on Cell Cept so that looks like it could put me in the do-nut hole pretty fast. He told me to see a Rheumitologist about my pain. I guess I was lucky. He only took 8 vials of blood. I

have another appointment in April. They didn't send him the results of my Echocardiogram so he wants me to see my cardiologist. I'm do to see him anyhow. He is suppose to be sending a printout with the results of what he found to the doctors and to me. We should get them in a couple of weeks. He also talked me into taking 5mg of Prednisone a day. He wanted 10 but I refused. went with me and we visited while I was doing a lot of waiting. She probably remembers more that I do. I was so exhausted that I slept for hours yesterday with my computer online on my lap. Bob is sick. I think it was too much for him too but he wouldn't like to admit that. Erna, I hope that we can meet in April unless I manage to get moved by then. It looks like a lost cause, though. My doctors sent Dr Raghu everything he needed. I just had a few papers to fill out. Maybe you can get them sent too. When is your appointment?Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold

1-09,Diabetes, Sjogren's, Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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Would be interested in the answer on this as I worked in a job for a year and the mold and mildew you could smell was very strong. I was told that the air had be tested too as it's a place where children go after school for 3 hours. This too is where my situation got worse.To: Breathe-Support Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 2:02:54 PMSubject: Re: My appointment at the UWMC

I kept asking my pulmo guy if I could have gotten this from mold and he has said that I have IPF and that isn't from mold. The last job I had we moved into another store, and immediately I knew and could smell mold I worked there in that building I think for about 10 months and I was kinda sick all the time. Before I left I went in the basement and did some searching and guess what I found. You are right lots of BLACK MOLD, I think this is what started it all I may be wrong but I think so. Gascoigne SD, 50 yrs old, Renaud's 2008, IPF 7/2009From: Beverley Joy <sparrow_98367@ yahoo.com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, January 2, 2010 10:20:50 PMSubject: My appointment at the UWMC

I guess I got good news from Dr. Raghu. I am another one of those bird and mold women but I don't have birds. A few years back I had to have a new roof put on. When they took the old one down it was so rotten that you could see dust containing mold and who knows what falling down into my house. I live in an older mobile and the beams where the two pieces of the house are put together form an open space clear across the house. Birds had been nesting in there until it was full. I hope that they cleaned it out but I'm not sure. So I have PF caused from Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis or as Joyce calls it birds, and in my case mold too. I really have to get this place

sold. He put me on Cell Cept so that looks like it could put me in the do-nut hole pretty fast. He told me to see a Rheumitologist about my pain. I guess I was lucky. He only took 8 vials of blood. I

have another appointment in April. They didn't send him the results of my Echocardiogram so he wants me to see my cardiologist. I'm do to see him anyhow. He is suppose to be sending a printout with the results of what he found to the doctors and to me. We should get them in a couple of weeks. He also talked me into taking 5mg of Prednisone a day. He wanted 10 but I refused.. went with me and we visited while I was doing a lot of waiting. She probably remembers more that I do. I was so exhausted that I slept for hours yesterday with my computer online on my lap. Bob is sick. I think it was too much for him too but he wouldn't like to admit that. Erna, I hope that we can meet in April unless I manage to get moved by then. It looks like a lost cause, though. My doctors sent Dr Raghu everything he needed. I just had a few papers to fill out. Maybe you can get them sent too. When is your appointment?Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold

1-09,Diabetes, Sjogren's, Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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Mold, fungus, et al, may cause fibrosis. Technically if we knew the cause it would no longer be IPF, but its fibrosis just the same. For any doctor to ever state what didn't cause it is absurd when by definition we don't know what the cause of IPF is. As to some of the environmental causes of Interstitial Lung Diseases, here is what Mayo says:

Occupational and environmental factors. Long-term

exposure to a number of toxins or pollutants can lead to serious lung

damage. Workers who routinely inhale silica dust, asbestos fibers or

hard metal dust are especially at risk of serious lung disease. So are

people exposed to certain chemical fumes and ammonia or chlorine gases.

But chronic exposure to a wide range of substances, many of them

organic, also can damage your lungs. Among these are grain, sugar cane,

and dust from bird and animal droppings. Other substances, such as

moldy hay, can be a problem when they cause a hypersensitivity reaction

in the lungs (hypersensitivity pneumonitis). Even bacterial or fungal

overgrowth in poorly maintained humidifiers and hot tubs can cause lung

damage.

> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>From: Verizon Email bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>> >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti> >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins. > >>>>>>>>>I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>From: Patti > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM> >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,> >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007> >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ________________________________> >>>>>>> >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: 12/17/09 23:35:00> >>>>>> > >>>>>> ________________________________> >>>>>> >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..> >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00> >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________> >>>>> >>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00> >>>> > >>>> ________________________________> >>>> >>>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2578 - Release Date: 12/20/09 11:35:00> >>> > >>> ________________________________> >>> >>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date: 12/22/09 10:22:00> >> > >>

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Thanks Bruce for all the info. Can you tell me what you did in your life before, because you (and Beth)just keep us all up on everything. I remember reading what you have just sent out right after I was diagnosed. If that is what caused it does that make me feel better I don't know. My whole deal with this s***** disease is why me and I know I shouldn't even go there but crap I'm only 50 and I want to live til I'm 80 Gascoigne SD, 50 yrs old, Renaud's 2008, IPF 7/2009To: Breathe-Support Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 2:34:11 PMSubject: Re: My appointment at the UWMC

Mold, fungus, et al, may cause fibrosis. Technically if we knew the cause it would no longer be IPF, but its fibrosis just the same. For any doctor to ever state what didn't cause it is absurd when by definition we don't know what the cause of IPF is. As to some of the environmental causes of Interstitial Lung Diseases, here is what Mayo says:

Occupational and environmental factors. Long-term

exposure to a number of toxins or pollutants can lead to serious lung

damage. Workers who routinely inhale silica dust, asbestos fibers or

hard metal dust are especially at risk of serious lung disease. So are

people exposed to certain chemical fumes and ammonia or chlorine gases.

But chronic exposure to a wide range of substances, many of them

organic, also can damage your lungs. Among these are grain, sugar cane,

and dust from bird and animal droppings. Other substances, such as

moldy hay, can be a problem when they cause a hypersensitivity reaction

in the lungs (hypersensitivity pneumonitis) . Even bacterial or fungal

overgrowth in poorly maintained humidifiers and hot tubs can cause lung

damage.

> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>From: Verizon Email bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>> >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti> >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> >>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins. >

>>>>>>>>>I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>From: Patti > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM> >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,> >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth

and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007> >>>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________

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,Either doctors are just down right idiots or maybe it's me. Idiopathic means unknown cause, and there are many causes one of which is environmental. I think that would include mold in the building where you worked. They told me my Pulmonary Fibrosis is Idiopathic also, but they think it was caused by a bad viral pneumonia that I had 14 years ago. At that time I was working in a court house, and they were remodeling the offices across the hall from my office. Part of that remodeling was removing asbestos. I had pneumonia 3 times during that year, and that's when my problems all started. I was diagnosed with IPF 4 years ago. I would bet that you are right - your IPF was caused from the mold. Not that

it matters now. It is what it is.PatTo: Breathe-Support Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 1:02:54 PMSubject: Re: My appointment at the UWMC

I kept asking my pulmo guy if I could have gotten this from mold and he has said that I have IPF and that isn't from mold. The last job I had we moved into another store, and immediately I knew and could smell mold I worked there in that building I think for about 10 months and I was kinda sick all the time. Before I left I went in the basement and did some searching and guess what I found. You are right lots of BLACK MOLD, I think this is what started it all I may be wrong but I think so. Gascoigne SD, 50 yrs old, Renaud's 2008, IPF 7/2009From: Beverley Joy <sparrow_98367@ yahoo.com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, January 2, 2010 10:20:50 PMSubject: My appointment at the UWMC

I guess I got good news from Dr. Raghu. I am another one of those bird and mold women but I don't have birds. A few years back I had to have a new roof put on. When they took the old one down it was so rotten that you could see dust containing mold and who knows what falling down into my house. I live in an older mobile and the beams where the two pieces of the house are put together form an open space clear across the house. Birds had been nesting in there until it was full. I hope that they cleaned it out but I'm not sure. So I have PF caused from Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis or as Joyce calls it birds, and in my case mold too. I really have to get this place

sold. He put me on Cell Cept so that looks like it could put me in the do-nut hole pretty fast. He told me to see a Rheumitologist about my pain. I guess I was lucky. He only took 8 vials of blood. I

have another appointment in April. They didn't send him the results of my Echocardiogram so he wants me to see my cardiologist. I'm do to see him anyhow. He is suppose to be sending a printout with the results of what he found to the doctors and to me. We should get them in a couple of weeks. He also talked me into taking 5mg of Prednisone a day. He wanted 10 but I refused. went with me and we visited while I was doing a lot of waiting. She probably remembers more that I do. I was so exhausted that I slept for hours yesterday with my computer online on my lap. Bob is sick. I think it was too much for him too but he wouldn't like to admit that. Erna, I hope that we can meet in April unless I manage to get moved by then. It looks like a lost cause, though. My doctors sent Dr Raghu everything he needed. I just had a few papers to fill out. Maybe you can get them sent too. When is your appointment?Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold

1-09,Diabetes, Sjogren's, Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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1000 mgrs Cellcept twice a day.

I dont take prednisone.

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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sometimes I think the doctors just don't know what to say, so they say stupid stuff!!! HA! HA! Most definitely not us Gascoigne SD, 50 yrs old, Renaud's 2008, IPF 7/2009To: Breathe-Support Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 2:57:38 PMSubject: Re: My appointment at the UWMC

,Either doctors are just down right idiots or maybe it's me. Idiopathic means unknown cause, and there are many causes one of which is environmental.. I think that would include mold in the building where you worked. They told me my Pulmonary Fibrosis is Idiopathic also, but they think it was caused by a bad viral pneumonia that I had 14 years ago. At that time I was working in a court house, and they were remodeling the offices across the hall from my office. Part of that remodeling was removing asbestos. I had pneumonia 3 times during that year, and that's when my problems all started. I was diagnosed with IPF 4 years ago. I would bet that you are right - your IPF was caused from the mold. Not that

it matters now. It is what it is.PatFrom: Gascoigne <michelle.gascoigne@ yahoo.com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, January 3, 2010 1:02:54 PMSubject: Re: My appointment at the UWMC

I kept asking my pulmo guy if I could have gotten this from mold and he has said that I have IPF and that isn't from mold. The last job I had we moved into another store, and immediately I knew and could smell mold I worked there in that building I think for about 10 months and I was kinda sick all the time. Before I left I went in the basement and did some searching and guess what I found. You are right lots of BLACK MOLD, I think this is what started it all I may be wrong but I think so. Gascoigne SD, 50 yrs old, Renaud's 2008, IPF 7/2009From: Beverley Joy <sparrow_98367@ yahoo.com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, January 2, 2010 10:20:50 PMSubject: My appointment at the UWMC

I guess I got good news from Dr. Raghu. I am another one of those bird and mold women but I don't have birds. A few years back I had to have a new roof put on. When they took the old one down it was so rotten that you could see dust containing mold and who knows what falling down into my house. I live in an older mobile and the beams where the two pieces of the house are put together form an open space clear across the house. Birds had been nesting in there until it was full. I hope that they cleaned it out but I'm not sure. So I have PF caused from Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis or as Joyce calls it birds, and in my case mold too. I really have to get this place

sold. He put me on Cell Cept so that looks like it could put me in the do-nut hole pretty fast. He told me to see a Rheumitologist about my pain. I guess I was lucky. He only took 8 vials of blood. I

have another appointment in April. They didn't send him the results of my Echocardiogram so he wants me to see my cardiologist. I'm do to see him anyhow. He is suppose to be sending a printout with the results of what he found to the doctors and to me. We should get them in a couple of weeks. He also talked me into taking 5mg of Prednisone a day. He wanted 10 but I refused.. went with me and we visited while I was doing a lot of waiting. She probably remembers more that I do. I was so exhausted that I slept for hours yesterday with my computer online on my lap. Bob is sick. I think it was too much for him too but he wouldn't like to admit that. Erna, I hope that we can meet in April unless I manage to get moved by then. It looks like a lost cause, though. My doctors sent Dr Raghu everything he needed. I just had a few papers to fill out. Maybe you can get them sent too. When is your appointment?Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold

1-09,Diabetes, Sjogren's, Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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Pat, When I was first diagnosed it was with hypersensitivity pneumonitis with no known cause, although my house was being remodeled and flooded just before diagnosis. My daughter (who is a nurse as am I) thinks it was that which caused it, but you are right-it is what it is.Kathy ILD/hypersensitivity pneumonitis 3/08 type 2 diabetes forever ago

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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I was in both the financial area and operations areas for mostly large

manufacturers. I did a bit of everything over the years. When you're old

enough you've had lots of experience....lol

As to living to be 80, I guess we all had dreams of different types and

different times in our lives. But, even healthy, often those were just

dreams and the reality didn't necessarily follow path. I look back and

think what if 80 had remained in my future. Well, let's see....maybe I

would have kept working 65 hours a week until I was 70 at which time I

finally would have retired and then been hit by assorted issues that

made it impossible to do all those things I imagined at that point.

Often in my dreams I would think back to the past. Oh, I loved the years

on the lake, swimming, skiing. Oh, guess at 70 I wouldn't have been able

to go back and ski twenty and thirty miles non stop.

I take away my PF and think what if I made it to 70 (I'm 60 now). Ok,

hearing would be worse, vision might well prevent enjoying many things,

maybe even driving and travel. I know my kidneys would have been issues

by then so probably dialysis if they hadn't failed completely. Maybe hip

replacement? What about prostate cancer by then? And what about the toil

of those continued years of ridiculous hours and stress on the job?

Maybe I'll still make it to 70. I don't know. But I do know about 60. I

know I'm able to enjoy family and friends. I know I'm living a life of

moderate stress and pressure. (Not nearly the income I had for sure but

a whole lot simpler). I don't have to get up at 5 AM and head to the

office by 6 to get there at 7 and get home at 8:30 at night after the

hour and half drive home. I don't fly around the world, all on business

while enjoying none of it. But, I can drive to see relatives or meet

friends and enjoy it. I took my first extended vacation of my adult life

to visit family last year-17 days and 3700 miles. Furthermore, I wasn't

in contact with the office by phone or computer.

So, it's not what I dreamed of but it can be better than the reality

likely would have been. Here's the question. Had you lived without the

disease to 80, how many years between 50 and 80 would you have really

lived, enjoyed to their fullest, made the most of, cherished as special?

How many would you have just walked through and taken for granted? The

answers are different for all of us. But, what we do all control,

whether we admit it or not, is how much we live today and what we make

of whatever time we have.

I can't relate to it happening at 50. I was 56 when diagnosed. But, I

can relate to doing all the legal work prior to my VATS so my death was

planned and other things taken care of. I can relate to reading while

waiting for a doctor's appointment at UTSW that the mean life for

UIP/IPF was 3.2 years. (I guess I'm technically deceased now but am just

too dumb to realize it or else the person responsible forgot to tell

me).

You say why you with PF? Good question. Why don't you have ALS? Why not

Alzheimer's? Why not brain cancer? Why not you in your young 20's like

Lanie? Why not you in an auto accident last night or last week? As to

why you, guess since we don't even know the cause that's hard to figure

out, isn't it? I think sometimes I'm glad I don't know. If mine is

second hand smoke, then I should be angry at my parents. If it's one of

the other dozen possibilities, then there is someone else for me to be

angry at. Figure it out in my autopsy and help someone in the future but

don't torture me. I don't know. So many mind games we can play but isn't

there on all of life? What if I'd made a different choice on jobs when I

was 25 or 30? Oh I might be wealthy and healthy? Or it could have led me

to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and shot in a random

shooting? Who knows.

So, all I know is I'm going to make the most of what I have. I'm going

to go to Duke in early February and see if anything else can be learned

but I'll also visit family and friends in NC and enjoy the drive and

maybe a few other things as I might along the way. Then after that, who

knows what next. Should be a spring gathering of this group planned by

then. Oh and I have a long time friend to plan something with, maybe in

Florida, maybe California, maybe NC. I don't know but this will make the

third time I've lived the last year of my life. Yes, I plan as if there

won't be another. It worked for 2008 and 2009. Now, we'll see about

2010. Not worrying about 2011 and beyond yet. Still got 10 years worth

of life to put into 2010.

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> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>From: Verizon Email bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti

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> > >>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is

one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out

of network for my ins.

> > >>>>>>>>>I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to

Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences

University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now.

A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>From: Patti

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> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,

> > >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth

and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end

up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I

could to get an accurate evaluation.

> > >>>>>>>>>

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As always, very, very well written. Thank You. Carroll IPF 3/09I was in both the financial area and operations areas for mostly largemanufacturers. I did a bit of everything over the years. When you're oldenough you've had lots of experience....lolAs to living to be 80, I guess we all had dreams of different types anddifferent times in our lives. But, even healthy, often those were justdreams and the reality didn't necessarily follow path. I look back andthink what if 80 had remained in my future. Well, let's see....maybe Iwould have kept working 65 hours a week until I was 70 at which time Ifinally would have retired and then been hit by assorted issues thatmade it impossible to do all those things I imagined at that point.Often in my dreams I would think back to the past. Oh, I loved the yearson the lake, swimming, skiing. Oh, guess at 70 I wouldn't have been ableto go back and ski twenty and thirty miles non stop.I take away my PF and think what if I made it to 70 (I'm 60 now). Ok,hearing would be worse, vision might well prevent enjoying many things,maybe even driving and travel. I know my kidneys would have been issuesby then so probably dialysis if they hadn't failed completely. Maybe hipreplacement? What about prostate cancer by then? And what about the toilof those continued years of ridiculous hours and stress on the job?Maybe I'll still make it to 70. I don't know. But I do know about 60. Iknow I'm able to enjoy family and friends. I know I'm living a life ofmoderate stress and pressure. (Not nearly the income I had for sure buta whole lot simpler). I don't have to get up at 5 AM and head to theoffice by 6 to get there at 7 and get home at 8:30 at night after thehour and half drive home. I don't fly around the world, all on businesswhile enjoying none of it. But, I can drive to see relatives or meetfriends and enjoy it. I took my first extended vacation of my adult lifeto visit family last year-17 days and 3700 miles. Furthermore, I wasn'tin contact with the office by phone or computer.So, it's not what I dreamed of but it can be better than the realitylikely would have been. Here's the question. Had you lived without thedisease to 80, how many years between 50 and 80 would you have reallylived, enjoyed to their fullest, made the most of, cherished as special?How many would you have just walked through and taken for granted? Theanswers are different for all of us. But, what we do all control,whether we admit it or not, is how much we live today and what we makeof whatever time we have.I can't relate to it happening at 50. I was 56 when diagnosed. But, Ican relate to doing all the legal work prior to my VATS so my death wasplanned and other things taken care of. I can relate to reading whilewaiting for a doctor's appointment at UTSW that the mean life forUIP/IPF was 3.2 years. (I guess I'm technically deceased now but am justtoo dumb to realize it or else the person responsible forgot to tellme).You say why you with PF? Good question. Why don't you have ALS? Why notAlzheimer's? Why not brain cancer? Why not you in your young 20's likeLanie? Why not you in an auto accident last night or last week? As towhy you, guess since we don't even know the cause that's hard to figureout, isn't it? I think sometimes I'm glad I don't know. If mine issecond hand smoke, then I should be angry at my parents. If it's one ofthe other dozen possibilities, then there is someone else for me to beangry at. Figure it out in my autopsy and help someone in the future butdon't torture me. I don't know. So many mind games we can play but isn'tthere on all of life? What if I'd made a different choice on jobs when Iwas 25 or 30? Oh I might be wealthy and healthy? Or it could have led meto be in the wrong place at the wrong time and shot in a randomshooting? Who knows.So, all I know is I'm going to make the most of what I have. I'm goingto go to Duke in early February and see if anything else can be learnedbut I'll also visit family and friends in NC and enjoy the drive andmaybe a few other things as I might along the way. Then after that, whoknows what next. Should be a spring gathering of this group planned bythen. Oh and I have a long time friend to plan something with, maybe inFlorida, maybe California, maybe NC. I don't know but this will make thethird time I've lived the last year of my life. Yes, I plan as if therewon't be another. It worked for 2008 and 2009. Now, we'll see about2010. Not worrying about 2011 and beyond yet. Still got 10 years worthof life to put into 2010.> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>From: Verizon Email bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti> > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > >>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There isone right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are outof network for my ins.> > >>>>>>>>>I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage toHealth Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health SciencesUniversity). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now.A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>From: Patti> > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM> > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,> > >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forthand seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may endup with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever Icould to get an accurate evaluation.> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007> > >>>>>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 -Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..> > >>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - ReleaseDate: 12/17/09 00:30:00> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg..com> > >>>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - ReleaseDate: 12/17/09 23:35:00> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>> > >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..> > >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - ReleaseDate: 12/19/09 00:33:00> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>> > >>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - ReleaseDate: 12/19/09 00:33:00> > >>>>> > >>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>> > >>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2578 - ReleaseDate: 12/20/09 11:35:00> > >>>> > >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>> > >>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date:12/22/09 10:22:00> > >>> > >> >>

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Bruce,

Beautifully stated...what a great attitude!

Re: Re Patti> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,> > >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forthand seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may endup with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever Icould to get an accurate evaluation.> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007> > >>>>>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 -Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..> > >>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - ReleaseDate: 12/17/09 00:30:00> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg..com> > >>>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - ReleaseDate: 12/17/09 23:35:00> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>> > >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..> > >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - ReleaseDate: 12/19/09 00:33:00> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>> > >>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - ReleaseDate: 12/19/09 00:33:00> > >>>>> > >>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>> > >>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2578 - ReleaseDate: 12/20/09 11:35:00> > >>>> > >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>> > >>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date:12/22/09 10:22:00> > >>> > >> >>

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Bruce,

Beautifully stated...what a great attitude!

Re: Re Patti> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,> > >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forthand seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may endup with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever Icould to get an accurate evaluation.> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007> > >>>>>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 -Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..> > >>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - ReleaseDate: 12/17/09 00:30:00> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg..com> > >>>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - ReleaseDate: 12/17/09 23:35:00> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>>> > >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..> > >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - ReleaseDate: 12/19/09 00:33:00> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>>> > >>>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - ReleaseDate: 12/19/09 00:33:00> > >>>>> > >>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>>> > >>>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2578 - ReleaseDate: 12/20/09 11:35:00> > >>>> > >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >>> > >>No virus found in this incoming message.> > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > >>Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date:12/22/09 10:22:00> > >>> > >> >>

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I just started taking Cellcept. 500mg twice a day for 15 days then 1000mg twice a day. They didn't have a pamphlet with the side effects on it so if anyone has one they can scan to me I would really appreciate it. I like to know what I am taking.Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold 1-09,Diabetes,Sjogren's,Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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OMG Bruce, What a beautiful post!!! That was like a good hard slap - I needed to hear it.I think you are a very special person.PatTo: Breathe-Support Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 4:33:35 PMSubject:

Re: My appointment at the UWMC

I was in both the financial area and operations areas for mostly large

manufacturers. I did a bit of everything over the years. When you're old

enough you've had lots of experience.. ..lol

As to living to be 80, I guess we all had dreams of different types and

different times in our lives. But, even healthy, often those were just

dreams and the reality didn't necessarily follow path. I look back and

think what if 80 had remained in my future. Well, let's see....maybe I

would have kept working 65 hours a week until I was 70 at which time I

finally would have retired and then been hit by assorted issues that

made it impossible to do all those things I imagined at that point.

Often in my dreams I would think back to the past. Oh, I loved the years

on the lake, swimming, skiing. Oh, guess at 70 I wouldn't have been able

to go back and ski twenty and thirty miles non stop.

I take away my PF and think what if I made it to 70 (I'm 60 now). Ok,

hearing would be worse, vision might well prevent enjoying many things,

maybe even driving and travel. I know my kidneys would have been issues

by then so probably dialysis if they hadn't failed completely. Maybe hip

replacement? What about prostate cancer by then? And what about the toil

of those continued years of ridiculous hours and stress on the job?

Maybe I'll still make it to 70. I don't know. But I do know about 60. I

know I'm able to enjoy family and friends. I know I'm living a life of

moderate stress and pressure. (Not nearly the income I had for sure but

a whole lot simpler). I don't have to get up at 5 AM and head to the

office by 6 to get there at 7 and get home at 8:30 at night after the

hour and half drive home. I don't fly around the world, all on business

while enjoying none of it. But, I can drive to see relatives or meet

friends and enjoy it. I took my first extended vacation of my adult life

to visit family last year-17 days and 3700 miles. Furthermore, I wasn't

in contact with the office by phone or computer.

So, it's not what I dreamed of but it can be better than the reality

likely would have been. Here's the question. Had you lived without the

disease to 80, how many years between 50 and 80 would you have really

lived, enjoyed to their fullest, made the most of, cherished as special?

How many would you have just walked through and taken for granted? The

answers are different for all of us. But, what we do all control,

whether we admit it or not, is how much we live today and what we make

of whatever time we have.

I can't relate to it happening at 50. I was 56 when diagnosed. But, I

can relate to doing all the legal work prior to my VATS so my death was

planned and other things taken care of. I can relate to reading while

waiting for a doctor's appointment at UTSW that the mean life for

UIP/IPF was 3.2 years. (I guess I'm technically deceased now but am just

too dumb to realize it or else the person responsible forgot to tell

me).

You say why you with PF? Good question. Why don't you have ALS? Why not

Alzheimer's? Why not brain cancer? Why not you in your young 20's like

Lanie? Why not you in an auto accident last night or last week? As to

why you, guess since we don't even know the cause that's hard to figure

out, isn't it? I think sometimes I'm glad I don't know. If mine is

second hand smoke, then I should be angry at my parents. If it's one of

the other dozen possibilities, then there is someone else for me to be

angry at. Figure it out in my autopsy and help someone in the future but

don't torture me. I don't know. So many mind games we can play but isn't

there on all of life? What if I'd made a different choice on jobs when I

was 25 or 30? Oh I might be wealthy and healthy? Or it could have led me

to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and shot in a random

shooting? Who knows.

So, all I know is I'm going to make the most of what I have. I'm going

to go to Duke in early February and see if anything else can be learned

but I'll also visit family and friends in NC and enjoy the drive and

maybe a few other things as I might along the way. Then after that, who

knows what next. Should be a spring gathering of this group planned by

then. Oh and I have a long time friend to plan something with, maybe in

Florida, maybe California, maybe NC. I don't know but this will make the

third time I've lived the last year of my life. Yes, I plan as if there

won't be another. It worked for 2008 and 2009. Now, we'll see about

2010. Not worrying about 2011 and beyond yet. Still got 10 years worth

of life to put into 2010.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>From: Verizon Email bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti

> > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > >>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is

one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out

of network for my ins.

> > >>>>>>>>>I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to

Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences

University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now.

A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>From: Patti

> > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

> > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,

> > >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth

and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end

up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I

could to get an accurate evaluation.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 -

Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..

> > >>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release

Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg..com

> > >>>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release

Date: 12/17/09 23:35:00

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..

> > >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release

Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>

> > >>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release

Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

> > >>>>

> > >>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>

> > >>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2578 - Release

Date: 12/20/09 11:35:00

> > >>>

> > >>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>

> > >>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date:

12/22/09 10:22:00

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

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From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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Beverley

look it up on line

Pink Joyce R (IPF 3/06) IFA 5/09 Pennsylvania

Donate Life Listed 1/09 Inactive 4/09

www.transplantfund.org---

Subject: Re: My appointment at the UWMCTo: Breathe-Support Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:51 PM

I just started taking Cellcept. 500mg twice a day for 15 days then 1000mg twice a day. They didn't have a pamphlet with the side effects on it so if anyone has one they can scan to me I would really appreciate it. I like to know what I am taking.Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold 1-09,Diabetes, Sjogren's, Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: 12/17/09 23:35:00

No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

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that's how i started too

a lower dose and then a planned increase

Pink Joyce R (IPF 3/06) IFA 5/09 Pennsylvania

Donate Life Listed 1/09 Inactive 4/09

www.transplantfund.org---

Subject: Re: My appointment at the UWMCTo: Breathe-Support Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:51 PM

I just started taking Cellcept. 500mg twice a day for 15 days then 1000mg twice a day. They didn't have a pamphlet with the side effects on it so if anyone has one they can scan to me I would really appreciate it. I like to know what I am taking.Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold 1-09,Diabetes, Sjogren's, Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: 12/17/09 23:35:00

No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

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No, he didn't prescribe an antibiotic. That donut hole is really scary. I will always be in debt. The only savings I have is enough to rent an apartment if I sell my house.Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold 1-09,Diabetes,Sjogren's,Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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Bruce,Thank you for the chuckle. So you've been dead for a while, huh? This was much needed, as tonight is the last night in our house of 22 years. But, on the other hand, a new adventure is beginning, and maybe, just maybe, it will be a better one.Kathy ILD?hypersensitivity pneumonitis 3/08 Type 2 diabetes forever agoSubject: Re: My appointment at the UWMCTo: Breathe-Support Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 2:33 PM

I was in both the financial area and operations areas for mostly large

manufacturers. I did a bit of everything over the years. When you're old

enough you've had lots of experience.. ..lol

As to living to be 80, I guess we all had dreams of different types and

different times in our lives. But, even healthy, often those were just

dreams and the reality didn't necessarily follow path. I look back and

think what if 80 had remained in my future. Well, let's see....maybe I

would have kept working 65 hours a week until I was 70 at which time I

finally would have retired and then been hit by assorted issues that

made it impossible to do all those things I imagined at that point.

Often in my dreams I would think back to the past. Oh, I loved the years

on the lake, swimming, skiing. Oh, guess at 70 I wouldn't have been able

to go back and ski twenty and thirty miles non stop.

I take away my PF and think what if I made it to 70 (I'm 60 now). Ok,

hearing would be worse, vision might well prevent enjoying many things,

maybe even driving and travel. I know my kidneys would have been issues

by then so probably dialysis if they hadn't failed completely. Maybe hip

replacement? What about prostate cancer by then? And what about the toil

of those continued years of ridiculous hours and stress on the job?

Maybe I'll still make it to 70. I don't know. But I do know about 60. I

know I'm able to enjoy family and friends. I know I'm living a life of

moderate stress and pressure. (Not nearly the income I had for sure but

a whole lot simpler). I don't have to get up at 5 AM and head to the

office by 6 to get there at 7 and get home at 8:30 at night after the

hour and half drive home. I don't fly around the world, all on business

while enjoying none of it. But, I can drive to see relatives or meet

friends and enjoy it. I took my first extended vacation of my adult life

to visit family last year-17 days and 3700 miles. Furthermore, I wasn't

in contact with the office by phone or computer.

So, it's not what I dreamed of but it can be better than the reality

likely would have been. Here's the question. Had you lived without the

disease to 80, how many years between 50 and 80 would you have really

lived, enjoyed to their fullest, made the most of, cherished as special?

How many would you have just walked through and taken for granted? The

answers are different for all of us. But, what we do all control,

whether we admit it or not, is how much we live today and what we make

of whatever time we have.

I can't relate to it happening at 50. I was 56 when diagnosed. But, I

can relate to doing all the legal work prior to my VATS so my death was

planned and other things taken care of. I can relate to reading while

waiting for a doctor's appointment at UTSW that the mean life for

UIP/IPF was 3.2 years. (I guess I'm technically deceased now but am just

too dumb to realize it or else the person responsible forgot to tell

me).

You say why you with PF? Good question. Why don't you have ALS? Why not

Alzheimer's? Why not brain cancer? Why not you in your young 20's like

Lanie? Why not you in an auto accident last night or last week? As to

why you, guess since we don't even know the cause that's hard to figure

out, isn't it? I think sometimes I'm glad I don't know. If mine is

second hand smoke, then I should be angry at my parents. If it's one of

the other dozen possibilities, then there is someone else for me to be

angry at. Figure it out in my autopsy and help someone in the future but

don't torture me. I don't know. So many mind games we can play but isn't

there on all of life? What if I'd made a different choice on jobs when I

was 25 or 30? Oh I might be wealthy and healthy? Or it could have led me

to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and shot in a random

shooting? Who knows.

So, all I know is I'm going to make the most of what I have. I'm going

to go to Duke in early February and see if anything else can be learned

but I'll also visit family and friends in NC and enjoy the drive and

maybe a few other things as I might along the way. Then after that, who

knows what next. Should be a spring gathering of this group planned by

then. Oh and I have a long time friend to plan something with, maybe in

Florida, maybe California, maybe NC. I don't know but this will make the

third time I've lived the last year of my life. Yes, I plan as if there

won't be another. It worked for 2008 and 2009. Now, we'll see about

2010. Not worrying about 2011 and beyond yet. Still got 10 years worth

of life to put into 2010.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>From: Verizon Email bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti

> > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > >>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is

one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out

of network for my ins.

> > >>>>>>>>>I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to

Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences

University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now.

A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>From: Patti

> > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

> > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Sher,

> > >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth

and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end

up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I

could to get an accurate evaluation.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 -

Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..

> > >>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release

Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg..com

> > >>>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release

Date: 12/17/09 23:35:00

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..

> > >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release

Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>>

> > >>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release

Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

> > >>>>

> > >>>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>>

> > >>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > >>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2578 - Release

Date: 12/20/09 11:35:00

> > >>>

> > >>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >>

> > >>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

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12/22/09 10:22:00

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> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't understand all of this stuff either. I know that I feel better out of this house than in it. It may just be dust from the road but I want out.Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold 1-09,Diabetes,Sjogren's,Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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Thank you , I bookmarked them and I will read them as soon as I can.Beverley Joy,71, Birds and mold 1-09,Diabetes,Sjogren's,Fibromyalgia Idaho

From: Verizon Email <bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re PattiTo: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out of network for my ins.

I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now. A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

From: Patti

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: Re Patti

Sher,

Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I could to get an accurate evaluation.

Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

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[Guest guest]

Bruce,

Once again your words have been so inspiring, I think I'm going to frame them &

place them on my refrigerator or mirror where I'll see them every day.

If you make it to Calif, I sure hope you'll look me up so I can thank you in

person.

Cees, S Calif

IPF/UIP 10/08

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>From: Verizon Email bofus6 (AT) verizon (DOT) net>

> > > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti

> > > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > > >>>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:04 PM

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>We are so lucky to be near a teaching hospital.. There is

> one right here in Portland OR, about 15 miles from me but they are out

> of network for my ins.

> > > >>>>>>>>>I am changing from Blue Cross Blue Shield, Med Advantage to

> Health Net this year and THEY do cover OHSU (Oregon Health Sciences

> University). However, I think I will stay with Dr Raghu in Seattle now.

> A 3 hr. drive is worth it to me now.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>From: Patti

> > > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:46 AM

> > > >>>>>>>>>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re Patti

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>Sher,

> > > >>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays to you too and yes I am glad I did go forth

> and seek another opinion at a teaching hospital. While I still may end

> up with a diagnosis of IPF at least I will know I have done whatever I

> could to get an accurate evaluation.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>Patti, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > >>>>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > >>>>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 -

> Release Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..

> > > >>>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > >>>>>>>Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.111/2570 - Release

> Date: 12/17/09 00:30:00

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > >>>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg..com

> > > >>>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release

> Date: 12/17/09 23:35:00

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>No virus found in this incoming message..

> > > >>>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > >>>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release

> Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > >>>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > >>>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release

> Date: 12/19/09 00:33:00

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >>>

> > > >>>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > >>>Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2578 - Release

> Date: 12/20/09 11:35:00

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >>

> > > >>No virus found in this incoming message.

> > > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com

> > > >>Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2582 - Release Date:

> 12/22/09 10:22:00

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> > > >

> > >

> >

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