Re: Probiotic vs. SCD Yogurt

[Guest guest]

There is no harm in taking both probiotic supplements and

yoghurt. In fact you need all the good bacteria you can get unless of course

you were going to take trillions of them in one go. It is also very possible

and perhaps likely that the yoghurt will contain different friendly bacteria to

the supplements and so the more strains you get the better. I should tell you

that Bifidobacteria is SCD illegal although some people still take it but of

course that is your personal choice.

There will come a time hopefully not too far in the future

when scientists will have identified all species and strains of friendly bacteria

in the gut and will also be able to tell which ones someone is deficient in; there

are a growing number of doctors it seems who believe that many digestive tract

issues are due to compromised gut flora but the problem is how to put it right.

In the meantime, the use of probiotics is relatively new, and so one has to

experiment a little to see what works for them. It is possible to get a HERX

reaction which is like die off, if this happens this is actually good news in

the long run. If it happens then just stop for a few days and then build up

again slowly. I have taken loads of different probiotics but have never experienced

anything but I will keep trying.

You may like to consider getting a stool test done by

Metametrix in the US. They will be able to tell you if you are deficient in certain

friendly bacteria which might be better than shooting in the dark. I was found

to be very short of bifidobacteria but that is SCD illegal so it is a hard

choice.

The above is my considered opinion having read lots of

information about probiotics, and I mean a lot. Good luck.

Steve

Chronic Nausea and Digestive System Discomfort - August 2008

SCD - 18/12/09

Mirtazapine - 30mgs

[Guest guest]

Is it really possible to get an overgrowth of acidophilus on SCD? I've heard

others say acidophilus is unable to implant in our guts, hence the need to keep

a steady stream of it coming.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

<snip>

> So there is no one rule. If you do eat some yogurt and take a supplement as

> well, just make sure you don't get too much, as you can get an overgrowth of

> the " good " bacteria as easily as with the " bad. "

>

>

>

> Kim M.

>

> SCD 6+ years

>

> Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 7 years

>

> neurological & spinal deterioration 4 years

[Guest guest]

Thank you Kim!

>

> Not necessarily, but some people who take a legal probiotic supplement also

> make yogurt to use in baking and making smoothies or ice cream. Some use

> yogurt most of the time, but switch to a probiotic supplement when

> travelling. It all depends on you and your body's tolerance. Of course if

> you have a casein sensitivity or allergy, then you shouldn't eat yogurt.

>

>

>

> So there is no one rule. If you do eat some yogurt and take a supplement as

> well, just make sure you don't get too much, as you can get an overgrowth of

> the " good " bacteria as easily as with the " bad. "

>

>

>

> Kim M.

>

> SCD 6+ years

>

> Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 7 years

>

> neurological & spinal deterioration 4 years

>

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>

>

> I am a SCD newb and am wondering about probiotics vs. the SCD yogurt. If I

> take a legal probiotic, do I still need to make/eat the yogurt?

>

> Thanks in advance!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your feedback! I am interested in the this test that you were talking

about from Metametrix. It would be good to know what they find. I went to their

website and am not sure what test to look for?? What do you suggest?

>

>

>

>

>

> There is no harm in taking both probiotic supplements and yoghurt. In fact

> you need all the good bacteria you can get unless of course you were going

> to take trillions of them in one go. It is also very possible and perhaps

> likely that the yoghurt will contain different friendly bacteria to the

> supplements and so the more strains you get the better. I should tell you

> that Bifidobacteria is SCD illegal although some people still take it but of

> course that is your personal choice.

>

>

>

> There will come a time hopefully not too far in the future when scientists

> will have identified all species and strains of friendly bacteria in the gut

> and will also be able to tell which ones someone is deficient in; there are

> a growing number of doctors it seems who believe that many digestive tract

> issues are due to compromised gut flora but the problem is how to put it

> right. In the meantime, the use of probiotics is relatively new, and so one

> has to experiment a little to see what works for them. It is possible to get

> a HERX reaction which is like die off, if this happens this is actually good

> news in the long run. If it happens then just stop for a few days and then

> build up again slowly. I have taken loads of different probiotics but have

> never experienced anything but I will keep trying.

>

>

>

> You may like to consider getting a stool test done by Metametrix in the US.

> They will be able to tell you if you are deficient in certain friendly

> bacteria which might be better than shooting in the dark. I was found to be

> very short of bifidobacteria but that is SCD illegal so it is a hard choice.

>

>

>

> The above is my considered opinion having read lots of information about

> probiotics, and I mean a lot. Good luck.

>

>

>

>

>

> Steve

>

> Chronic Nausea and Digestive System Discomfort - August 2008

>

> SCD - 18/12/09

>

> Mirtazapine - 30mgs

>

[Guest guest]

I had the GI Effects Complete Profile – Stool test

which I believe covers everything. If you just want to know about ‘friendly’

bacteria then GI Effects Microbial Ecology Profile – Stool might be the

one. If you look on their site here, halfway down the page, you can get the information:

http://www.metametrix.com/test-menu

The one I had is the most expensive. I would suggest you give

them a call to determine which might be better for you. They would also suggest

a practitioner or doctor I would think who could help you interpret the

results.

Apart for the ‘friendly’ bacteria the one I had also

says if you have any yeast or pathogens and other stuff like if you are not

absorbing properly and whether your pancreas is secreting pancreatic enzymes

etc. But remember I am no expert at all so maybe contact them and work via a

doctor or practitioner. Having said that I just went ahead and got it done

myself because it just made more sense to me rather than shooting in the dark.

Good luck!

Steve

Chronic Nausea and Digestive System Discomfort - August 2008

SCD - 18/12/09

Mirtazapine - 30mgs

[Guest guest]

According to

http://scdiet.net/healingcrow/HealingCrow/www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspiracy/\

conspiracy.html :

" if you were to eat a small bowl (500 ml) of 24 hour fermented homemade yogurt,

you would receive 1.5 trillion beneficial bacteria - 100 times more bacteria

than a 15 billion capsule. "

I eat more then 500 ml per day, and am close to 2 years on the diet. Is it

really necessary that I decrease my yogurt intake? I sure hope not!

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> In my research over the past seven years, I've come across articles in the

> medical literature that discuss bacterial overgrowth from probiotic

> supplement use in the small and large intestines, as well as the

> genitourinary tract. While most of the cases involved an overgrowth of

> Bifidus or other bacterial strains that we don't use on SCD, there were some

> patients mentioned who had an overgrowth of L. Acidophilus. Granted the

> number of patients mentioned in these articles was a small part of the

> population, but there is still a risk that it can occur in some individuals.

> I didn't save any of the articles, unfortunately; they were in the medical

> literature databases I have access to because I work as a librarian.

>

>

>

> Yes, we do need to regularly repopulate our intestinal tract with beneficial

> bacteria. But there is a major difference between whole food sources such

> as yogurt or other lacto-fermented foods and a capsule or powder from a

> supplement. It is much easier to overdose and develop a toxicity from a

> probiotic supplement, especially when the gut ecology is already disrupted

> and the immune system is compromised or suppressed due to medications.

>

>

>

> The key here is balance. Regular use of probiotics is necessary, but you

> don't want to overdo the supplements. Consuming enough yogurt to provide

> your body with about 3 billion CFUs of L. Acidophilus once a day, or perhaps

> several times a week, over a year isn't likely to cause as many problems as

> swallowing a capsule containing 10 billion CFUs of L. Acidophilus once or

> twice a day for a year.

>

>

>

> Granted most of us won't develop an overgrowth of L. Acidophilus, but it can

> occur in some individuals. At the very least, too large a dose of a

> probiotic can still stress the immune system over time. Our bodies can't

> tell the difference between " good " or " bad " bacteria; our bodies just react

> to high levels of any microorganism.

>

>

>

> Balance and moderation is important even when it comes to probiotics. It is

> generally sensible to cut back on the amount of probiotics as you heal, so

> as your symptoms disappear you start eating less yogurt, or having it less

> often - or only take the probiotic supplement every other day or perhaps

> just twice a week.

>

>

>

> Kim M.

>

> SCD 6+ years

>

> Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 7 years

>

> neurological & spinal deterioration 4 years

>

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>

>

> Is it really possible to get an overgrowth of acidophilus on SCD? I've heard

> others say acidophilus is unable to implant in our guts, hence the need to

> keep a steady stream of it coming.

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

>

[Guest guest]

I feel fine, and yogurt has always been one of my safe foods. Glad to know I can

keep chowing down :-).

So acidophilus does indeed implant in our guts? I read somewhere that it can't.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> If you are feeling fine, and seem to be healing on schedule, then don't cut

> back. Each of us have different tolerances, so we have to find what works

> for us. Just pay attention to your body's signals, and if you develop

> flu-like symptoms, or you start breaking out in hives, or don't see/feel

> your digestive symptoms improving, then you know what to test first.

>

>

>

> My experience has been that my body won't tolerate large doses of

> probiotics, either in yogurt or in a supplement. My body let me know, in no

> uncertain terms [grin]. So after my 1st year on SCD my maintenance dose of

> L. Acidophilus (supplement) became one capsule every 3 days, unless I'm on

> antibiotics than I can take it once a day. That is what my immune system

> will tolerate. It undoubtedly took me longer to heal my gut ecology,

> especially as I was also dealing with a systemic candida overgrowth and

> couldn't do antifungals, but I got there in the end.

>

>

>

> Others have different tolerances.

>

>

>

> I just caution people that most of us find that as our gut ecology heals we

> need less of the probiotics or risk developing an overgrowth. And

> supplements make it so much easier to reach the point of an overdose.

>

>

>

> Let your body tell you when it needs less probiotics.

>

>

>

> Kim M.

>

> SCD 6+ years

>

> Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 7 years

>

> neurological & spinal deterioration 4 years

>

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> According to

> <http://scdiet.net/healingcrow/HealingCrow/www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspi

> racy/conspiracy.html>

> http://scdiet.net/healingcrow/HealingCrow/www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspir

> acy/conspiracy.html :

>

> " if you were to eat a small bowl (500 ml) of 24 hour fermented homemade

> yogurt, you would receive 1.5 trillion beneficial bacteria - 100 times more

> bacteria than a 15 billion capsule. "

>

> I eat more then 500 ml per day, and am close to 2 years on the diet. Is it

> really necessary that I decrease my yogurt intake? I sure hope not!

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:54 PM 9/22/2010, you wrote:

Is it really possible to get an

overgrowth of acidophilus on SCD? I've heard others say acidophilus is

unable to implant in our guts, hence the need to keep a steady stream of

it coming.

I've never heard of anyone doing so, but just as sure as I say that,

someone will!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

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