need help!

[Guest guest]

I'm looking forward to seeing the list of doctors and nurses who advocate the

use of colonics and cleansing also. In the meantime, you can read this

article about the value of colonics written by various doctors in different

fields of medicine;

<A

HREF= " http://www.colonic.net/valueofcolonic.pdf " >http://www.colonic.net/valueofc\

olonic.pdf</A>

Virginia

[Guest guest]

About 6 weeks or 2 months ago, someone posted a list of medical doctors

and nurses who advocate the use of Colonics and cleansing the bowel.

Somehow I deleted that list. If someone has it, would appreciate your

reposting it so I can make a hard copy. Thanks in advance.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/4/01 8:05:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rachel768@... writes:

> So my question is how did it

> get out if I was so impacted? Would it have kind of tunneled through? Very

> weird. So needless to say I need to clean out. What should I take. I am

> borderline diabetic so I wouldn't feel so great if I just drank juice. Any

> suggestions?? Thanks for your help.

>

Hi

I've had times when odd things like that happened - i.e., things coming out

in a different order than they went in. It's possible, I think, to be

impacted while still having room for smaller things to get through. That's

possibly what happened with the grapefruit.

As for what to take, there are many different cleansing programs out there.

I'd suggest doing a search on the internet and checking the different ones

out until you find one that you feel comfortable trying. The " ICF " stands

for Intestinal Corrective Formula, by Dr. Schulze. That's the bowel

cleansing program I'm on.

There are also, though, dietary changes you can make that can assist you in

getting unblocked, if you haven't tried that route already.

I hope you will keep us posted on how things go for you!

in health,

[Guest guest]

buy arise and shine products and follow directions for 3 (maybe more

for you) weeks of pre-cleansing. YOu need more then just

supplements, trust me. If you do not want to purchase a colema

board, shell out lots of money for many colonics.

much more info is on

http://insomniafatigue.com/first_step___.htm

you have about 32 feet of colon, small intestine to empty out..

supplements will never do this..-

-- In bowel cleanse@y..., rachel768@a... wrote:

> Hi,

> I was on this group before but then I unsubbed because I didn't

think I

> needed it. Well was I ever wrong! On Sunday I was having very bad

lower back

> pain and pain by my appendix. My stomach felt very bloated and

hard. Anyway I

> went to the emergency room because the pain was so bad! I thought

it was

> appendisitis or maybe kidney stones. They poked around and took

samples of my

> blood and urine and didn't find anything So they took an xray of my

abdomen.

> Well my husband will certainly never let me forget this.... The

doctor said,

> Well you are totally filled with poop! She showed me on the xray

how my

> intestines were totally filled up and my colon too. Good grief!!!

How

> embarassing!! Anyway what was weird is I had felt a little

constipated the

> day before so I had eaten an entire grapefruit and not to be to

graphic I saw

> remnants of it come out in my bowel movement. So my question is how

did it

> get out if I was so impacted? Would it have kind of tunneled

through? Very

> weird. So needless to say I need to clean out. What should I take.

I am

> borderline diabetic so I wouldn't feel so great if I just drank

juice. Any

> suggestions?? Thanks for your help.

>

[Guest guest]

<My stomach felt very bloated and hard. Anyway I went to the

emergency room because the pain was so bad! They poked around and

took samples of my blood and urine and didn't find anything so they

took an x-ray of my abdomen. The doctor said, " Well you are totally

filled with poop! " She showed me on the x-ray how my intestines were

totally filled up and my colon too.

Anyway what was weird is I had felt a little constipated the day

before so I had eaten an entire grapefruit and not to be to graphic I

saw remnants of it come out in my bowel movement. So my question is

how did it get out if I was so impacted? Would it have kind of

tunneled through?

So needless to say I need to clean out. What should I take? I am

borderline diabetic so I wouldn't feel so great if I just drank

juice.

Any suggestions??

>

This certainly sounds like a classical refined foods diet that caught

up with the body's owner. The impaction is usually caused because of

too much refined food consumption and a lack of water. The trick now

is going to be getting this to move out so you can get on with

living. However, some of the description of your symptoms also

sounded like the potential for gallstones or liver trouble, which

could very well show up in a condition of an impacted colon but not

show-up in an x-ray. The reason the grapefruit particles showed was

because the peristaltic action of the colon was able to pass that

through without it being sticky and impacting the existing matter

even more.

First thing for you to do is put away the coffee maker and start

drinking a lot of water, and taking a little of an overage of vitamin

C, as this will help you to get something of a diarrhea state, and

will also help to moisten the matter. An enema or a colonic could

move this all out in a very short period of time. However, you can

also order a cleansing program and have that work over time and

deeper into the small intestines. Or just do both.

I'm going to give you an experiment to try so that you can get some

idea of what has happened here. Take a loaf of standard cheap

refined, and enriched, white wheat flour bread. Take about 5 or 6 of

the slices and pack them together in your hand. Add some water to

this until you get a firm piece made, but not soggy. Now let it dry

out. Bake it at around 150 degrees, or set out on the counter, and

see how hard it gets. If you left it on a plate or something else you

can get an idea of just how sticky it is by the need to almost pry it

off after is dried, or if it was in a mold, of some sort, how it

formed to that and wouldn't move off. That is if the mold is anything

like the colon with ridges and valleys it's going to be pretty hard

to move it along even with a peristaltic action. That is just about

the same thing that has happened inside your body. You can also do

this same experiment by using regular white flour that's used for

making cookies and other things. Unleavened it can be used to make

ornaments like children's handprints, of even an ashtray because when

it dries its rock hard. Do you remember ever doing this in

kindergarten or grade school?

This certainly isn't all that hard to change around. Just avoid the

foods and drinks that cause the body to dehydrate. Avoid such things

as coffee, tea, soda drinks, alcohol beverages, and sugar loaded

products and this will certainly go a long way towards getting you

over this crisis in a very short length of time. Adding to that an

intake of digestive enzymes and bacteria for good bowels and you'll

likely be feeling pretty darn good in very short order. You might

what to consider eating an un-sugared yogurt for the bacteria or

getting a live supplement that has been refrigerated.

Dale

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I have a very strange question.

was talking on the cordless phone tonight and everytime she held it to

her ear it made this awfull squeching sound. I took the phone from her and

held it to my ear and it did not do it. I gave it back to her and it did it

again.

In the past it has happened before but not to this extent.

I know this sounds crazy but could it have anything to do with her epilepsy?

Maybe something electrically?

Thanks, Tracey

[Guest guest]

Tracey,

I don't know if it's epilepsy related or not, but as weird as this may

sound, it is possible. Everyobody generates their own electro-magnetic

field so to speak. Just like some people seam to " SPARK " more painfully

to you than others with static elctricity.... some people can retain and

expell electricity more than others. It's really not that surprising,

although I never thought about associating it with epilepsy. I have the

same issue at times. Interesting....

[Guest guest]

Thanks

[Guest guest]

HI , I don't know much about all this, but you are right,

getting diarhhea can induce labor. I also had sharp pain that I

think was my stomach being rubbed against my breastbone and causing

a sore on the outside. Tagamet didn't help because it wasn't on the

inside. It went away when my baby was born. I found it better if I

didn't let myself get too hungry, nor ate too much. I ate about 6

small meals a day. I would be wary of doing a liver flush while

pregnant. Good luck, maybe someone else will have the answer.

Virginia

> I found this group via a referral from another group I am on.

> Hopefully y'all can give me a bit of insight.

>

> I am having major " attacks " -- it feels like my gallbladder but

> that's impossible seeing it was removed last year. I had gastric

> bypass surgery in September 2000 and have lost nearly 300 lbs. I

am

> 28.5 weeks pregnant (in third trimester) and in severe pain.

>

> I spent Thursday evening in the ER with them doing tests. They

> suspected it

> could be pancreatitis or a blocked duct. I am opting for the

latter-

> - a

> stone blocking my duct.

>

> Here's my predicament: I want to do a liver cleanse My sister

> swears by this and she and her

> 11.5 year old daughter do it a couple of times a year and pass

> stones. I am

> desperately wanting to pass what I believe to be are these

stones.

> The

> problem is that you get diarrhea which (I've heard) can cause pre-

> term

> surges.

>

> I am desperate and in a great deal of pain no matter what I do.

They

> finally told me on Thursday that it could be " gastritis " due to

the

> baby.

> But, there's no way it's that (in my opinion) because I had this 3-

4

> times a

> year PRIOR to getting pregnant.

>

> Opinions please!

>

> Warmly,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sorry to hear about the problems while you're pregnant. The blessing of

motherhood can be mixed for sure You don't want to do a

liver/gallbladder cleanse while you are pregnant. The same things that

cause the laxative and flushing effect can induce premature labor. You

certainly don't want that.

Vince

>From: " " <beaglette@...>

>Reply-Dr

>Dr

>Subject: Need help!

>Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:35:13 -0000

>

>I found this group via a referral from another group I am on.

>Hopefully y'all can give me a bit of insight.

>

>I am having major " attacks " -- it feels like my gallbladder but

>that's impossible seeing it was removed last year. I had gastric

>bypass surgery in September 2000 and have lost nearly 300 lbs. I am

>28.5 weeks pregnant (in third trimester) and in severe pain.

>

>I spent Thursday evening in the ER with them doing tests. They

>suspected it

>could be pancreatitis or a blocked duct. I am opting for the latter-

>- a

>stone blocking my duct.

>

>Here's my predicament: I want to do a liver cleanse My sister

>swears by this and she and her

>11.5 year old daughter do it a couple of times a year and pass

>stones. I am

>desperately wanting to pass what I believe to be are these stones.

>The

>problem is that you get diarrhea which (I've heard) can cause pre-

>term

>surges.

>

>I am desperate and in a great deal of pain no matter what I do. They

>finally told me on Thursday that it could be " gastritis " due to the

>baby.

>But, there's no way it's that (in my opinion) because I had this 3-4

>times a

>year PRIOR to getting pregnant.

>

>Opinions please!

>

>Warmly,

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It may be a stone as you had a tendency to produce them before.

If it were pancreatitis then you could take homeopathic hepar sulph a dose of

30c as it is a substitute foe anti-biotics and will not harm the baby. This

should be in everyone's first aid box.

Repeat in acutes for a couple of hours say every fifteen minutes. then hourly

for two or three hours. If no result then it is a stone. Try the budwig diet

--yoghurt and flax oil for immune system boost-see www.beckwithfamily.com as

that will build you up and take the weight off too. It builds muscle and cuts

down fat.

Liz

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

> My son had a sudden fever from yesterday.We took him to the dr. and

> she says it is viral.My son is putting everything in his mouth and

> licking his hands.

Oral behaviors are many times a need for zinc.

For my #3, oral behaviors meant he was eating a food or supplement he

did not tolerate, or he had a yeast issue.

>>he is bloated and

> did not have a bm today.

This sounds like yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

What do you do when your child is bloated and does not have a bm and is

lacking zinc?

Diane

[Guest guest]

SCD?

Is this a trick question? <wink>

J

In a message dated 6/3/2004 7:03:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Cramwash@... writes:

What do you do when your child is bloated and does not have a bm and is

lacking zinc?

Diane

[Guest guest]

Just this week my daughter's physician told me to trust my insticts.

A child crying in a way that you know is not normal for him means

he's in some pain. Go to a different doctor if he's not better

tomorrow. Someone (who wasn't a dr) told me that fevers have to

settle somewhere and for us that has been true. The three times my

daughter has ever run a high fever she's ended up with ear

infection. This time her ear still isn't back to normal after two

weeks and she is constantly licking around her mouth (I suspect the

opening her mouth wide makes her ear feel better since she has fluid

in it).

Best Wishes

Becky

> Hi,

> My son had a sudden fever from yesterday.We took him to the dr. and

> she says it is viral.My son is putting everything in his mouth and

> licking his hands.He is having outbursts and is crying a lot.He

does

> not have a high temperature today and I don't know what to do when

he

> is crying other than somehow close my ears and ignore...praying

that

> he would stop.I really don't know what is happening.he is bloated

and

> did not have a bm today.Any advice would be appreciated.

> Thanks.

> Sarmistha.

[Guest guest]

> What do you do when your child is bloated and does not have a bm

Address yeast and/or remove foods which are causing the problem.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>>and is

> lacking zinc?

Add zinc

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Thanks, Teoma

> really hoping that my kraut is still good, b/c I spent a ton of money on the

> cabbage, and that one of you can give me this reassurance

>

One way to tell if it's bad would be to taste it.

If it tastes good it should be ok to eat.

regards, Bruce

[Guest guest]

Did you add any salt to the cabbage it should draw plenty of water.

An easier way than a jar is to chop the cabbage add salt and mix

and put in a zip lock bag. Forcre the gas out by filling the

sink with water and forcing the bag underneath the water with

the zip lock almost closed. Than all the air is gone close the bag.

I add water to the bag and freeze fish the same way. They keep

very well for over a year.

Gordon

tfaith777 wrote:

>

> Hello!

> Okay, I made a bunch of kraut(according to NT recipe w/o whey) and

> can't tell if it's bad. I pounded it forever but just couldn't get

> much juice out of it. There was a little on top but that is it.

> After letting it sit overnight, it had expanded and there was no

> juice on top...I pressed it down a couple of times to get the juice

> to cover it and then pretty much neglected it the remaining time it

> was left to ferment. I stuck it in the fridge and forgot about it

> for a couple of days. When I opened it up it had a very strong

> smell...good or bad...I'm not sure...different from other batches I

> have made. I searched the net and found info about adding brine. I

> did that but am not sure if it was already too late. I'm nursing, so

> I tend to be a bit paranoid about eating anything that could hurt my

> baby.

>

> Thanks,

> Teoma

> feeling ignorant but really hoping that my kraut is still good, b/c

> I spent a ton of money on the cabbage, and that one of you can give

> me this reassurance

>

>

>

>

> *

[Guest guest]

> Okay, I made a bunch of kraut(according to NT recipe w/o whey) and

> can't tell if it's bad. I pounded it forever but just couldn't get

> much juice out of it. There was a little on top but that is it.

When I can't get enough juice out of my cabbage I add purified or distilled

water to it to get a good amount of juice in the ferment. I pound my cabbage

before adding salt because if I add salt first it gets more liquid than I want

and it doesn't crush well when it's too liquid and I like it crushed up good.

Cabbage varies on how much juice it will give up with crushing.

The moisture content of the heads seems to vary quite a bit.

Fresh cabbage seems to have the most moisture.

regards, Bruce

[Guest guest]

>>>When I can't get enough juice out of my cabbage I add purified or distilled

water to it to get a good amount of juice in the ferment. regards, Bruce<<<

~~~Can you give a guesstimate of about how much water that would be for say a

quart? (The kimchi I made is a little dry.)

Carol

[Guest guest]

>>>>When I can't get enough juice out of my cabbage I add purified or distilled

>water to it to get a good amount of juice in the ferment. regards, Bruce<<<

>

>~~~Can you give a guesstimate of about how much water that would be for say a

quart? (The kimchi I made is a little dry.)

>Carol

[HJ] In the " traditional " books, they recommend 2 Tbs of salt per quart of

water. I usually boil the water and add salt, like the old books recommend,

because I use well water and it DOES have slime producing bacteria in it. Then I

just add water until it is juicy enough to cover the weights. Or sometimes I

just add a whole lot, because I like having extra " juice " to use as a seasoning.

" Kimchi juice " is actually for sale in Korea, and they serve " watery kimchi "

which is almost a cold soup. It works instead of vinegar in recipes, or you can

dunk meat in it to make pickled meat.

If my kimchi or kraut is already pretty salty though, I'll just pour on a little

plain (boiled or bottled) water. I usually cover the kimchi or kraut with a

folded big leaf (grape, cabbage, collard, whatever is handy) and then sprinkle

salt on top for luck. Then save the big leaves for making stuffed leaves

(dolmathes or cabbage rolls).

Heidi [HJ] [HTG]

" Cheer up....Things could get worse "

So I cheered up.....and sure enough, things got worse

[Guest guest]

[HJ] In the " traditional " books, they recommend 2 Tbs of salt per quart of

water.

~~~Are you saying that's how you add your salt to the cabbage, instead of mixing

the cabbage and the other ingredients with the salt?

[HJ]If my kimchi or kraut is already pretty salty though, I'll just pour on a

little plain (boiled or bottled) water. I usually cover the kimchi or kraut with

a folded big leaf (grape, cabbage, collard, whatever is handy) and then sprinkle

salt on top for luck. Then save the big leaves for making stuffed leaves

(dolmathes or cabbage rolls).

~~~So you DO mix salt with the kimchee ingredients before adding any water and

then add salt to the water too? Also, do you use weights, in addition to the

leaf at the top, or is the leaf enough weight? Sorry, I'm a little anal about

things. (As in analyze :-)

Carol

[Guest guest]

> >>>When I can't get enough juice out of my cabbage I add purified or distilled

> water to it to get a good amount of juice in the ferment. regards, Bruce<<<

>

> ~~~Can you give a guesstimate of about how much water that would be for say a

quart? (The kimchi I made is a little dry.)

> Carol

Hi Carol,

I was adding about 2 liters of water to 5 gallon batches of kraut last year. So

that would be about one part water to ten parts crushed cabbage. Which makes 3.2

ounces to a quart, about half a cup. It depends on the amount of juice you do

get out when you add the salt. I would add more water rather than less but I am

doing long duration ferments that are not refridgerated at all until opened. I

try to have enough water that the contents of the jar naturally stay mostly

below the liquid with out any weight or much packing down at the start of

fermentation. I find I get better results using a fair amout of liquid, I

usually add water unless the cabbage really produces a lot of juice.

regards, Bruce

[Guest guest]

When I opened it up it had a very strong

> smell...good or bad...I'm not sure...different from other batches I

> have made.

Different smell could be due to cabbage variation, or other veggies in

kraut. Just getting started with kraut (as below) myself, but do

notice different smells due to different ingredients.

Notice also in the following recipe the addition of brine as required

to keep contents covered and anaerobic.

Short version of recipe in " Wild Fermentation " (as addition to various

replies to this post).

NOTE: this uses " wild " (organisms in environmental air, like making

your own sourdough starter); do not add starter.

-Chop cabbage (red and/or green) fine or course

-chop other veggies (squash, potatoes, etc) fine or course

-same for other greens (kale, what have you)

-put in crock, layering and salting each layer after pressing down

with fist/tool

-put plate on top of mix, then weight on plate

-press down as often as you think about it

-after 24 hours if juice is not over plate add brine to cover (1 T

salt to 1 C water)

-add brine as necessary (if evaporating)

-taste weekly till it suits (rinse plate and weight, skim off any

" bloom " Sandor calls it - mold if you like). The kraut under the brine

is under anaerobic protection and ok.

Steve

[Guest guest]

Lorilee,

They need to raise ,s steroid dose up to get him out of this systemic

flare.The rash isn't so problomatic but the fevers are and left unchecked then

the organs become involved.

Nobody wants there child on high doses of steroids or any amount for a long

period of time but until the MTX has a chance to kick in and you find a

beneficial dose there is no other choice.

Each child is differant, for it would take 30mg Prednisilone to pull

him out of a systemic flare while others only need to increase their dose by a

few mg.

Don't worry about what the rheumy may think, you need to call them,they would

want you to.It's the only way they can help.

Hugs

Becki and 7 systemic