Help!

[Guest guest]

Val it sounds like you need adrenal hormones. Maybe you can get some help

from Durrant Peatfield MD. Also there is a guy in France Dr. Nabet who

works with Hertoghe from Belgium and does consults in London.

Gracia

>

> Hi,

>

> I am in the U.K. and taking synthetic levothyroxine. Like you I felt great

> for the first two months, then found myself slipping back and becoming

> symptomatic again. It is only when you start feeling well, you realize how

> many YEARS you felt so low grade lousy! I cannot equate grams of Amour

with

> mgs of levothyroxine but I am on 200mgs now plus separate T3. My biggest

and

> most ever present symptom is depression and brain fog. It took DECADES for

> me to get as ill as I did, it will take years not weeks to feel normal

> again.

>

> Sorry if I sound less than supportive/helpful, but we are on a slow road

to

> recovery, we hypo's because this disease built slowly in us in the first

> place. Hold on that good feeling in those first two months, and believe

you

> CAN and WILL have it back again. God Bless You in your quest for better

> health.

>

> Val

>

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Hi Gracia,

I am already seeing a private doc who is a contemporary of Dr Durrant

Peatfield, who himself is considered something of a maverick in medical

circles, because he treats symptoms, just like Dr Peatfield. You are

probably right about adrenals, but I do not want to fall out with my current

private doc by going to see someone else at the same time. However,

Peatfield does hold a clinic in a city not too far from where I currently

live, if I feel my present private doc ought to consider adrenal support,

but wont for any reason, I just might make the trip to see Dr Peatfield for

further medical appraisal. Many Thanks. Lastly you are very knowledgeable

about your condition, we all need to get this to this point! Keep posting, I

enjoy the read!!!

Val

Re: help!

>

>

> Val it sounds like you need adrenal hormones. Maybe you can get some

help

> from Durrant Peatfield MD. Also there is a guy in France Dr. Nabet who

> works with Hertoghe from Belgium and does consults in London.

> Gracia

>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am in the U.K. and taking synthetic levothyroxine. Like you I felt

great

> > for the first two months, then found myself slipping back and becoming

> > symptomatic again. It is only when you start feeling well, you realize

how

> > many YEARS you felt so low grade lousy! I cannot equate grams of Amour

> with

> > mgs of levothyroxine but I am on 200mgs now plus separate T3. My biggest

> and

> > most ever present symptom is depression and brain fog. It took DECADES

for

> > me to get as ill as I did, it will take years not weeks to feel normal

> > again.

> >

> > Sorry if I sound less than supportive/helpful, but we are on a slow road

> to

> > recovery, we hypo's because this disease built slowly in us in the first

> > place. Hold on that good feeling in those first two months, and believe

> you

> > CAN and WILL have it back again. God Bless You in your quest for better

> > health.

> >

> > Val

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val. Adrenal treatment makes a huge difference for many of us. I

have needed every adrenal hormone there is, well not aldosterone, and

suffered a lot for many years. Now I know these hormones are cheap and easy

to use but not easily obtained b/c they are bio-identical and cannot be

patented. Follow the money!

Gracia

>

> Hi Gracia,

>

> I am already seeing a private doc who is a contemporary of Dr Durrant

> Peatfield, who himself is considered something of a maverick in medical

> circles, because he treats symptoms, just like Dr Peatfield. You are

> probably right about adrenals, but I do not want to fall out with my

current

> private doc by going to see someone else at the same time. However,

> Peatfield does hold a clinic in a city not too far from where I currently

> live, if I feel my present private doc ought to consider adrenal support,

> but wont for any reason, I just might make the trip to see Dr Peatfield

for

> further medical appraisal. Many Thanks. Lastly you are very knowledgeable

> about your condition, we all need to get this to this point! Keep posting,

I

> enjoy the read!!!

> Val

>

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Hi Gracia,

What adrenal homones do you take?

Much Love,

Pamela

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

Thanks Val. Adrenal treatment makes a huge difference for many of us. I

have needed every adrenal hormone there is, well not aldosterone, and

suffered a lot for many years. Now I know these hormones are cheap and easy

to use but not easily obtained b/c they are bio-identical and cannot be

patented. Follow the money!

Gracia

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

what is the most T3 you have taken? Doing 's cycles cured my

depression and I was up to 150 mcg (??) per day at the peak of the

cycle- I know there are many different causes for depression so T3 may

not be your answer, but I was amazed at this acidental result.

Kerry

From: [mailto:veetee@...]

Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2005 8:14 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: help!

Hi,

I am in the U.K. and taking synthetic levothyroxine. Like you I felt

great

for the first two months, then found myself slipping back and becoming

symptomatic again. It is only when you start feeling well, you realize

how

many YEARS you felt so low grade lousy! I cannot equate grams of Amour

with

mgs of levothyroxine but I am on 200mgs now plus separate T3. My biggest

and

most ever present symptom is depression and brain fog. It took DECADES

for

me to get as ill as I did, it will take years not weeks to feel normal

again.

Sorry if I sound less than supportive/helpful, but we are on a slow road

to

recovery, we hypo's because this disease built slowly in us in the first

place. Hold on that good feeling in those first two months, and believe

you

CAN and WILL have it back again. God Bless You in your quest for better

health.

Val

help!

>

>

> I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I felt

> better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had more

> energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away and I

> was just in a much better mood overall.

> At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went and

> got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30 mg of

> armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling any

> better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel like a

> zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I was

> before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I just feel

> like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerry Ann

I am only on 20mgs of T3 a day besides my 200mgs of levothyroxine. I have

only been on T3 for about a week now, I am waiting for the crying and

depression to stop.

Val

help!

>

>

> >

> >

> > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I felt

> > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had more

> > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away and I

> > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went and

> > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30 mg of

> > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling any

> > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel like a

> > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I was

> > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I just feel

> > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I really feel for you Val - but there is hope! You can get better. The

normal dose of T3 for 200mcg of T4 would be more like 40 per day - but

it varies for the person and also the type of T3. Have you read

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com - it is a really excellent site - check

out the symptoms list. Even if you are not reasy to do such a protocol

the info is very useful.

I tried antidepressants, diet, herbs meditation, progesterone, DHEA, I

went for a walk everytime I felt really down (if I could) etc etc with

no relief (of course they all helped a bity probably cept the

antidepressants they made me worse) but the high dose T3 made a huge

difference in a week or so.

I have read that taking a high dose of T4 without enough t3 can worsen

depression as well. What are you test results for Free T4 and Free T3

and TSH?

Now I agree with you about the years to heal adrenals and thyroid - but

the depression was magically gone! It was mostly chemical.

Kerry

Re: help!

Hi Kerry Ann

I am only on 20mgs of T3 a day besides my 200mgs of levothyroxine. I

have

only been on T3 for about a week now, I am waiting for the crying and

depression to stop.

Val

help!

>

>

> >

> >

> > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I

felt

> > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had more

> > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away and

I

> > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went and

> > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30 mg

of

> > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling any

> > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel like a

> > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I was

> > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I just

feel

> > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerry Ann,

I do believe my depression is simply bio chemical and not 'true' depression

if you know what I mean, that is why I have resisted going back on

anti-depressants. Can you remember where you read about the T3 to T4 ratio,

and yes I have heard of 's Sydrome, I subscribe to their website I

find it very informative. If I can dig out my test results I will post them.

Val

help!

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I

> felt

> > > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had more

> > > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away and

> I

> > > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went and

> > > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30 mg

> of

> > > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling any

> > > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel like a

> > > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I was

> > > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I just

> feel

> > > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Val - what did you think of the protocol? Do you have a lot of the

synptoms?

The T4/t3 ration is pretty universal - that is roughly what you get in

nature and Armour is about that ratio as well. I'll see if I can find a

source.

If you didn't try 's is there a reason?

have you read Gails thuroid tips - excellent site

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/Peatfield_Suggest.htm

This is Thyroid and Bi-polar with links -

http://www.psycheducation.org/thyroid/introduction.htm

I didn't bookmark the early sites I found on depression and T3 but there

have been a few obscure trials - you could try a google on it. I have

been free of depression for nearly two years now - I still have a lot of

other symptoms but they are so much easier to deal with without being

depressed.

Kerry

Re: help!

Hi Kerry Ann,

I do believe my depression is simply bio chemical and not 'true'

depression

if you know what I mean, that is why I have resisted going back on

anti-depressants. Can you remember where you read about the T3 to T4

ratio,

and yes I have heard of 's Sydrome, I subscribe to their website I

find it very informative. If I can dig out my test results I will post

them.

Val

help!

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I

> felt

> > > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had more

> > > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away

and

> I

> > > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went

and

> > > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30

mg

> of

> > > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling any

> > > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel like

a

> > > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I

was

> > > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I just

> feel

> > > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kerry,

As far as 's Syndrome goes it sounds logical to me, but I wonder about

it 'resetting' your thyroid clock so to speak, after a few cycles only. In

the U.K. we seem to be in the dark ages as far as the thyroid is concerned.

If you have doc's who suggest:

1) buy T4 off the internet and treat your self!

2) doc's who don't go beyond the lab tests that tell them normal, because

they themselves are clueless

3) doc's who say 'I can't tell you anything about the thyroid' when you

complain of thyroid fatigue (apparently they stopped teaching doc's about

the thyroid in 1975)

What chance would I stand telling a doc about 's Syndrome? I would be

laughed at and treated scornfully for daring to bring a new idea to their

attention.

My symptoms correlated with all the usual thyroid symptoms:

Thin brittle hair (lost over ten years) - still no better

soft finger nails - still no better

dry cracked heels - MUCH better

chronic fatigue - still with me

depression - still with me - very crushing at times

brain fog/forgetfulness -still with me, occasionally better

slow heart beat - variable

slow pulse - variable

joint pain - stiffness, and makes me feel a million years old

bloated - had a great slimmer profile for all of a month

loss of eyebrows - again over ten years I pencil them in every day

loss of pubic/underarm hair - told that this was because I am

perimenopausal, no tests done of course!

changes to my menstrual cycle - shorter and heavier

cold hands and ice cold feet

there's more, but I wont bore you....

I believe I have a secondary autoimmune condition which is Sjogren's

syndrome of dry eyes and dry mouth. I have so little moisture in my eyes

when I fall asleep my eyeballs stick to the inside of my eyelids.

I will go onto the websites you suggested and satisfy my quest for further

knowledge I am a sucker for a good read! Many Thanks, and God Bless.

Val

help!

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > > > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I

> > felt

> > > > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had more

> > > > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away

> and

> > I

> > > > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > > > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went

> and

> > > > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30

> mg

> > of

> > > > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling any

> > > > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel like

> a

> > > > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I

> was

> > > > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I just

> > feel

> > > > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

p.s. I already have the article from the the first link you suggested, I

came across it last week. The second site wont pick up when I click, so I

will type it in from scratch,

Cheers,

Val

help!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > > > > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I

> > > felt

> > > > > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had more

> > > > > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away

> > and

> > > I

> > > > > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > > > > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went

> > and

> > > > > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30

> > mg

> > > of

> > > > > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling any

> > > > > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel like

> > a

> > > > > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I

> > was

> > > > > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I just

> > > feel

> > > > > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

This is a hormone deficiency---estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA,

cortisol. .Check out the book by Thierry Hertoghe MD, Hormone Solution.

Gracia

> I believe I have a secondary autoimmune condition which is Sjogren's

> syndrome of dry eyes and dry mouth. I have so little moisture in my eyes

> when I fall asleep my eyeballs stick to the inside of my eyelids.

>

> I will go onto the websites you suggested and satisfy my quest for further

> knowledge I am a sucker for a good read! Many Thanks, and God Bless.

>

> Val

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Even though I have always taken Armour, my depression lifted with cortisol.

DHEA helps too.

Gracia

>

> Hi Kerry Ann

>

> I am only on 20mgs of T3 a day besides my 200mgs of levothyroxine. I have

> only been on T3 for about a week now, I am waiting for the crying and

> depression to stop.

>

> Val

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

did you see these doctors on the 's site?

SrNo City Doctor's Name Certified Has attended seminar

Has passed exam Subscribes to Tenets

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Images/1x1.gif>

1 Hove, East Sussex Jean

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/DoctorsListing/Doctor.cfm#>

Haining, MD

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Images/1_red.gif>

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Images/1.gif>

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Images/1.gif>

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Images/1.gif>

2 London, England Dermot

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/DoctorsListing/Doctor.cfm#>

O'Flynn, MB

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Images/1.gif>

3 Hanley, Stoke on Trent *Shabbir

<http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/DoctorsListing/Doctor.cfm#>

Ahmed, MD

Of course I don't know where you are - these are all south of England

aren't they - and as opposed to here in Australia I know just 50

kilometers away in the UK can be like getting to the moon.......

keep you chin up - it too me 7 years to find a few good doctors - and

even then they leave a lot to be desired but at least I'm getting pretty

much what i need.

Kerry

Re: help!

Hi Kerry,

As far as 's Syndrome goes it sounds logical to me, but I wonder

about

it 'resetting' your thyroid clock so to speak, after a few cycles only.

In

the U.K. we seem to be in the dark ages as far as the thyroid is

concerned.

If you have doc's who suggest:

1) buy T4 off the internet and treat your self!

2) doc's who don't go beyond the lab tests that tell them normal,

because

they themselves are clueless

3) doc's who say 'I can't tell you anything about the thyroid' when you

complain of thyroid fatigue (apparently they stopped teaching doc's

about

the thyroid in 1975)

What chance would I stand telling a doc about 's Syndrome? I would

be

laughed at and treated scornfully for daring to bring a new idea to

their

attention.

My symptoms correlated with all the usual thyroid symptoms:

Thin brittle hair (lost over ten years) - still no better

soft finger nails - still no better

dry cracked heels - MUCH better

chronic fatigue - still with me

depression - still with me - very crushing at times

brain fog/forgetfulness -still with me, occasionally better

slow heart beat - variable

slow pulse - variable

joint pain - stiffness, and makes me feel a million years old

bloated - had a great slimmer profile for all of a month

loss of eyebrows - again over ten years I pencil them in every day

loss of pubic/underarm hair - told that this was because I am

perimenopausal, no tests done of course!

changes to my menstrual cycle - shorter and heavier

cold hands and ice cold feet

there's more, but I wont bore you....

I believe I have a secondary autoimmune condition which is Sjogren's

syndrome of dry eyes and dry mouth. I have so little moisture in my eyes

when I fall asleep my eyeballs stick to the inside of my eyelids.

I will go onto the websites you suggested and satisfy my quest for

further

knowledge I am a sucker for a good read! Many Thanks, and God Bless.

Val

help!

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > > > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I

> > felt

> > > > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had

more

> > > > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away

> and

> > I

> > > > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > > > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went

> and

> > > > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30

> mg

> > of

> > > > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling

any

> > > > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel

like

> a

> > > > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I

> was

> > > > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I

just

> > feel

> > > > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Kerry,

The one 'good doc I found was through Shomon's site at About.com in the

U.S.A. Yesterday was a dark cloud day and today. The G.P.at my local

practice who I thought was enlightened turns out not to be. In the U.K. you

get all your prescriptions free if you have hypo thyroidism. She tells me

while she is ready to prescribe thyroxin, she cannot sign the form for me to

get my prescriptions free as my tests done through the surgery were normal!

Truth be told I went outside the N.H.S to get my diagnosis done privately, I

had no choice so I am being penalised financially for trying to get myself

well. The situation sucks but I am not going to simply accept what she has

said. I will check out the web addresses you gave me. Stoke on Trent is not

too far from me.

Many Thanks,

&

Cheers,

Val

help!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I need some answers, please! About 2 1/2 months ago I was put on

> > > > > armour for hypothyroid. The first month and a half were great! I

> > > felt

> > > > > better than I had in years (literally). I was more alert, had

> more

> > > > > energy, concentration and memory improved, depression went away

> > and

> > > I

> > > > > was just in a much better mood overall.

> > > > > At about the 2 month mark I started feeling tired again. I went

> > and

> > > > > got blood work done again, so my dose has now been doubled to 30

> > mg

> > > of

> > > > > armour a day. It's been almost a week now and I'm not feeling

> any

> > > > > better. I can't concentrate. All I wanna do is sleep. I feel

> like

> > a

> > > > > zombie! Is this normal and will I ever get back to feeling how I

> > was

> > > > > before? How does one deal with the fatigue and depression? I

> just

> > > feel

> > > > > like I don't want to see or talk to anyone when I feel this way.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi, sorry I forgot to answer this. I take cortef (hydrocortone) 5mg 4X a

day.

7-keto DHEA 50mg

estradiol 2.25mg

progesterone 250mg

testosterone 20mg

Gracia

>

> Hi Gracia,

>

> What adrenal homones do you take?

>

> Much Love,

> Pamela

>

> Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

> Thanks Val. Adrenal treatment makes a huge difference for many of us. I

> have needed every adrenal hormone there is, well not aldosterone, and

> suffered a lot for many years. Now I know these hormones are cheap and

easy

> to use but not easily obtained b/c they are bio-identical and cannot be

> patented. Follow the money!

> Gracia

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Gracia!

How are you taking your hormones?

I'm taking 120 GM of testoserone gel a day. Makes your 20 MG dose sound kind of

puny.

I'm taking bioidentical progesterone at 30 GM cream doses.

bi-est at 1.25 GM

thanks and much love,

Pamela

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

Hi, sorry I forgot to answer this. I take cortef (hydrocortone) 5mg 4X a

day.

7-keto DHEA 50mg

estradiol 2.25mg

progesterone 250mg

testosterone 20mg

Gracia

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Pam this doesn't sound right. I think bi-est might be right at 1.25MG

(which is too low a dose). Progesterone 30 MG is an OTC dose. But 120mg

of testosterone should be making you sick, especially with such low doses of

the others.

For many years I was paying a huge amount for hormones that were too low

dose.

Gracia

>

> Thanks, Gracia!

>

> How are you taking your hormones?

> I'm taking 120 GM of testoserone gel a day. Makes your 20 MG dose sound

kind of puny.

> I'm taking bioidentical progesterone at 30 GM cream doses.

> bi-est at 1.25 GM

> thanks and much love,

> Pamela

>

>

> Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi, sorry I forgot to answer this. I take cortef (hydrocortone) 5mg 4X a

> day.

> 7-keto DHEA 50mg

> estradiol 2.25mg

> progesterone 250mg

> testosterone 20mg

> Gracia

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

OK!! You are taking bi-est 2X a day? My bi-est was 2.5mg taken 2X a

day, morning and night. It was still too little estrogen for me, since

estradiol is the most potent form of estrogen. Now I am getting 2.25mg

estradiol taken in a.m. You should be getting 100mg progesterone 2X a day

too, if you are only getting 100mg that is too little. And would cause the

symptoms you describe. I am taking 250mg progesterone in pm.

Gracia

>

> Dear Gracia,

>

> OK, for the prescription Progesterone it is 100 mg/gm

> for the Bi-est it is 5 mg/gm

>

> Much love,

> Pamela

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:54:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

HomeBuilders@... writes:

Aloha from Maui,

I am a new member of this group.

Hi , sorry to hear you have had to join our little group:-( I have

no experience with Enbrel, but I do live in Florida. When I get to the beach,

I have found that being in the saltwater of the ocean really helps with the

arthritis pain (and clears my psoriasis almost completely). About a half

hour of treading water and just floating around really seems to help. Might

bring you some relief while you figure out the right meds.

Take care

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to the group. Glad you could join us but obviously I am sorry you

had to. Snap, on the year P arrived. 1980 for me too although it was '87 that

the PA hit. I just started on Enbrel about three months ago too. I seem to be

making slow but definite progress with it. Hopefully it will work well for you

eventually. Some people seem to have almost instant results with it, some it

takes a little longer but it seems to help more people than it doesn't if

you know what I mean.

Keep us updated on your progress (hopefully) if you can.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Thanks Racheal,

I've got an ocean right in front of me. I'll try it.

--- rachelviognier@... wrote:

From: rachelviognier@...

Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:00:43 EST

Subject: Re: [ ] Help!

In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:54:02 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

HomeBuilders@... writes:

Aloha from Maui,

I am a new member of this group.

Hi , sorry to hear you have had to join our little

group:-( I have

no experience with Enbrel, but I do live in Florida. When I

get to the beach,

I have found that being in the saltwater of the ocean really

helps with the

arthritis pain (and clears my psoriasis almost completely).

About a half

hour of treading water and just floating around really seems

to help. Might

bring you some relief while you figure out the right meds.

Take care

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:54:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

HomeBuilders@... writes:

One month ago, I started enbrel 50mg 2X a week, and I have continued to get

worse. I have been told that it may take two months before it helps, but I

am becoming impatience. I continue to hear good things about enbrel, but am

worried that it will not work for me. I would love to hear from those who

could give me some incite, good or bad.

Mahalo,

Hi ,

I hope you are successful with the Enbrel. There are many here who so much

better because of it. I am one of the few who it did not help. I gave it

six months and then went off. I am considering trying Remicade soon. I have

been watching my diet and felt better for a while but it seems I am in pain

again. I would give yourself a chance and try it for a while longer. What

does your rheumy say?

Janet

[Guest guest]

I really love this little list that someone posted recently:

http://www.annboroch.com/candida.htm.

It really has a good grocery list, and list of no no foods. I really

recommend going to your local health market and filling your cart with

a gorgeous array of green veggies and acceptable alternative grains and

fresh, nonsteroidal, nonhormonal meats and breath in the healthy

lifestyle. It feels really good to bring home nothing but good stuff,

although learning to cook it was not the fun part for me. I did finally

leaern to develop a relationship with the cook at the deli counter, who

told me how to season and prepare certain veggies. It does help to

develop relationships with people who are on your diet, or better yet,

who are more disciplined than you, and can be encouraging.

>

>

> I need a shopping list for getting started on and eliminating the

> right and wrong foods.

> Amber

[Guest guest]

--- frogsaladduckhat <frogsaladduckhat@...>

wrote:

> told me how to season and prepare certain veggies.

Can you share your tips for cooking veggies? I'm a

lousy cook but learning.

I also love to BBQ all my meat on my grill.. really

adds to the flavor.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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My fitday journal and food log, to keep me honest:

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