Re: all these weird foods

[Guest guest]

Lori, both myself and my daughter were diagnosed with celiac disease

last year. It's interesting that you say you seem to have more

digestive problems now that when you were eating wheat. My daughter is

saying that also - but we seem to have figured it out. Anything, and I

mean anything, with dairy in it upsets her stomach. The methylcellulose

is supposed to be g-f, but maybe it's made with dairy or some other

ingredient you have a hard time tolerating now that you have been

diagnosed?

Have you tried the Kinnikinnick Alta hamburger buns and english muffins?

They are absolutely delicious and have no dairy in them. The only other

bread other than Kinnikinnick's that I buy is Joan Wade's Sylvan Border

Farms bread mix. Unbelievably good when you want to make warm fresh

bread with margarine (or butter) on top for that good ol' comfort food

we miss so much. It is really, really easy to make, too.

Good luck to you!

Sue Hersom

Legal Assistant

Pillsbury Winthrop LLP

2550 Hanover Street

Palo Alto, CA 94304

(650) 233-4783

shersom@...

-----Original Message-----

From: fiestacranberry@... [mailto:fiestacranberry@...]

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:11 AM

Subject: [ ] all these weird foods

Hi list,

I was wondering if any of you have as much trouble with these GF foods

as I do? I have more digestve problems now than I ever did when I was

eating wheat. I just cannot seem to tolerate the various gums,

additives and bean flours. Seems the only thing I am OK with is rice,

rice noodles, potatoes, and small amounts of corn.

I bought a new GF rice bread yesterday that had methylcellulose in it,

and I couldn't stand to be in the same room with myself all last

night---the smell was god-awful! Anybody else have these problems?

Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori:

Yes, I have the same problems with gluten-free foods, too. Some products

say they're wheat-free or gluten-free, but they're not. They'll use

barley, kamut, spelt, or additives or preservatives that aren't

gluten-free. I also have a problem with anything from concentrate or soy

(milk, etc.) Soy products actually aren't very organice or clean from

what I've heard, and they're starting to add the pesticides inside the

soy beans while they're growing!! I also can't eat any dairy - AT ALL.

It started as an allergy to dairy in my early 20's but now I can't even

touch the stuff. I have a worse reaction to diary than wheat-oriented

products.

As for the gluten-free flours, I can't really eat them either - it's

more of a digestive problem than so much a gluten intollerance. Lately,

I started having pains in my spleen area, and after going to an

accupuncturalist, she told me I should be staying away from anything

processed, prepackaged, diary, gluten/wheat, and trying to eat more

heated up foods, even heated up veggies (but not so cooked you loose the

water content and vitamins-think of it as kissing the skillet), because

it helps to break down the foods your eating before you eat them. This

way your stomach doesn't have to work as hard to digest it. Plus, she

explained, flours are " wet " types of foods and VERY hard for your

stomach to break down and digest - part of the " spleen " problem. Flours

actually turn into a paste, type glue in your digestive system making it

harder to break down and process (just like the prepackaged foods). I

also have to stay away from meats and chicken, same thing, meats stay in

your stomach for days, and end up fermenting, and they're VERY, VERY

hard to break down. Plus, humans don't need meats like everyone is lead

to believe by the government. It's always about money.

I've basically come to the conclusion that I can't eat anything that

ferments, is a mold, culture, or stays in my stomach for too long. It's

all about eating to survive, and giving your body what it actually needs

instead of what your taste buds desire. (Americans are REALLY bad about

this.) The overall goal is to eat as many water-based foods as possible

since the body absorbes this type of water. Actually drinking water only

helps to move food through your system ~ big difference. And, if you're

eating a lot of water-based foods you won't need to drink as much water.

:-) Try keeping your consumption of flours, premade foods, and dairy as

low as possible, but increase the water-based foods: fruits and veggies.

I can eat nuts, rice, fruits, vegtables, hot-whole grains and whole

grain cereals, potatoes of any kind, and any kind of squash. I also make

fruit smoothies, my own fresh fruit " ice cream, " carrot juice and other

fresh squeezed juices, herbed potatoes, sweet potato pancackes and

sometimes I'll eat beans or make bean-based items, but because they're

so hard to digest (and the body really doesn't need that much of them

anyway) I only have them every once in a while. I'm also starting to

look into making my own home-made soups, my own indian foods, thai

foods, pita bread, torillias, scones, and other items for infrequent,

but necessary diversity to my diet. I rarely eat out anymore. I'm also

working on lowering my intake of coffee as it's highly acidic and may be

contributing to my over-senitivities.

You may also want to look into the types of herbs you're cooking with as

well because some spices can become highly acidic when heated up, but ok

if they're cold. If you're experiencing the same types of problems I am,

these will cause problems, too.

One thing you may want to check out is gettting a dehydrator and making

your own veggie based crackers, main dishes, and other items. They're

actually VERY tasty!! There is a lady here that teaches classes on

making " raw foods " that might also be of interest to you. If you're

interested in either of these, let me know and I'll see if I can find

the information for this.

Louise Audell

Graphic Designer

1 [415] 348-1022

www.louise-gd.com

-----Original Message-----

From: fiestacranberry@... [mailto:fiestacranberry@...]

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:11 AM

Subject: [ ] all these weird foods

Hi list,

I was wondering if any of you have as much trouble with these GF foods

as I do? I have more digestve problems now than I ever did when I was

eating wheat. I just cannot seem to tolerate the various gums,

additives and bean flours. Seems the only thing I am OK with is rice,

rice noodles, potatoes, and small amounts of corn.

I bought a new GF rice bread yesterday that had methylcellulose in it,

and I couldn't stand to be in the same room with myself all last

night---the smell was god-awful! Anybody else have these problems?

Lori

[Guest guest]

>Anything, and I mean anything, with dairy

>in it upsets her stomach.

I am super allergic to dairy---even tiny amounts give me splitting

headache---so I'm really careful to not eat anything with dairy in it:

even butter.

>The methylcellulose is supposed to be g-f,

>but maybe it's made with dairy

Actually, I think it's made from wood! I used to work in a library, and

I used methylcellulose to glue labels into books. When you add water to

it, it becomes gelatinous.

>some other ingredient you have a hard

>time tolerating now that you have been

>diagnosed?

I think there's 2 things going on here. One is the weird stuff, like

the gums. I think xanthan gum is made from a mold, isn't it? So it

could be that. The second thing is the fiber. I REALLY have a problem

with high fiber foods, and so many GF breads are made with high fiber

ingredients. When I was eating wheat, I always ate white bread because

whole wheat made me bloated. Beans and nuts are almost indigestible for

me. I love beans, but they come out pretty much the same as they went

in (trying to be subtle here) Fruit induces cramps and dire-rear.

Really, the only thing that doesn't bother me seems to be meat, cooked

vegetables, rice, rice noodles, potatoes, and---oddly enough---white

bread. (but no, I'm not eating it)

>Have you tried the Kinnikinnick Alta

>hamburger buns and english muffins?

No, never heard of them. Do you know the ingredients?

Lori