RE: Re: caffeine, carbonation, bone loss

[Guest guest]

I am beginning to suspect that the phosphorus in carbonated drinks may

have an effect on calcium absorption my men as well. I drink less than

a cup of water a month. 99% of my fluid intake is carbonated

beverages. Even though I have a daily calcium intake well over 4000 mg

elemental calcium, I have had some bone density loss in the last two

years.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

tuesdynite@... wrote:

>

> Amber, thanks so much for the info. I'm sending a copy to the ossg-grad list.

> I think it's really important and there should be great interest. I'm still

> on no-mail status, as I'm still in Colorado, but people can email me directly

> instead of thru the list. Hope you don't get " bombarded " with q's as a result

> of my posting it.

>

> Carol A

> --------------------------------------------------------

>

> In a message dated 1/29/2004 8:19:49 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> rehab2@... writes:

>

> > From Duke University

> >

> > Subject: Cola Bad to the Bone

> >

> > New evidence points to a link between the phosphoric acid content of

> > carbonated cola drinks and lower bone mineral density in women.

> >

> > Researchers have long believed that phosphoric acid hastens bone loss

> > because it binds calcium. Colas, unlike most other soft drinks, contain

phosphoric

> > acid (44-62 mg/12 oz of regular cola and 27-39 mg/12 oz of diet cola).

> >

> > To assess the impact of phosphorus on bone mineral density, L.

> > Tucker, PhD, and her team took bone measurements at the spine and three hip

> > sites of 1,672 women and 1,148 men from 1996 to 2001; all participants are

part

> > of the Framingham Offspring cohort.

> >

> > Dietary intake was assessed from each participant with a food frequency

> > questionnaire that specifically asked about the number of servings of cola

and

> > other carbonated beverages consumed daily, and differentiated between

regular,

> > caffeine-free, and diet beverages. Each participants' body weight, height,

> > age, level of physical activity, smoking habits, alcohol use, use of

medication

> > for bone, use of calcium or vitamin D supplements, intake of calories,

> > calcium, and vitamin D from diet were considered. Women also were surveyed

for

> > menopause status and estrogen use.

> >

> > Tucker and colleagues reported their findings on September 19, 2003, at the

> > 25th Annual Meeting of the American Society for Bone and Mineral Research.

> >

> > They found that women (and not men) who drink more than three 12- ounce

> > servings of cola per day were found to have 2.3-5.1% lower bone mineral

density

> > in the hip (2.3% lower in the trochanter, 3.3% lower at the femoral neck,

and

> > 5.1% lower at Ward's area) than those who consume less than one serving of

> > cola per day. There was no significant relationship between non-cola

carbonated

> > beverage consumption and bone mineral density at any site for men or women.

> >

> > The study suggests that cola, but not other carbonated soft drinks,

> > contributes to lower bone mineral density in adult women. Because similar

results

> > were seen with diet and non-caffeinated cola, these associations may be due

to

> > the phosphoric acid content of cola, the researchers concluded. This article

> > was prepared by Health & Medicine Week editors from staff and other reports.

> >

> >

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> > -- In DukeandtheDoctor_Osteoporosis , Duke and the

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> > Doctor <dukeanddoc@y...> wrote:

> >

> > A new study of menopausal women reported in the

> >

> > American Journal of Clinical Nutrition provides

> >

> > evidence that too much caffeine can weaken bones in

> >

> > older women. Unclear, however, is whether this is due

> >

> > to its direct effect on bone health or its effect on

> >

> > increasing urinary excretion of calcium.

> >

> > Calcium, essential for good bone density, reaches its

> >

> > peak strength early on. The absence of good dietary

> >

> > habits and exercise depletes calcium stores and can

> >

> > result in osteoporosis, a painful and debilitating

> >

> > disease. Vitamin D helps to maintain calcium stores

> >

> > in the body.

> >

> > The nearly 500 women in the study ranged in age from

> >

> > 66 - 75. After three years it was found that those

> >

> > who consumed more than 300 milligrams caffeine from

> >

> > coffee (3 six-ounce cups), tea and other beverages,

> >

> > had greater loss in bone material density than the

> >

> > rest. Furthermore, those women who were identified at

> >

> > the beginning of the study as having a particular

> >

> > vitamin D receptor, a genetic factor, had an even

> >

> > greater loss.

> >

> > Study author, Dr. J.C. Gallagher of Creighton

> >

> > University, believes the results clearly show a

> >

> > relationship between caffeine and bone loss. But

> >

> > nutritionist Heller isn't so sure, saying

> >

> > that other studies suggest differently. She believes

> >

> > the connection has more to do with urinary calcium

> >

> > loss. Regardless, until more research is conducted,

> >

> > it is advisable to consume caffeine products in

> >

> > moderation and make sure to get adequate calcium both

> >

> > from diet and supplementation.

> >

> > To replenish calcium that is lost Dr. McBarron

> >

> > recommends taking OsteoProtect by Vitalogic, available

> >

> > at your local health food store, the Institute for

> >

> > Healthy Living at 1-, or at www.dukeandthedoctor.com

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In DukeandtheDoctor_Osteoporosis , Duke and the

> >

> > Doctor <dukeanddoc@y...> wrote:

> >

> > A new study of menopausal women reported in the

> >

> > American Journal of Clinical Nutrition provides

> >

> > evidence that too much caffeine can weaken bones in

> >

> > older women. Unclear, however, is whether this is due

> >

> > to its direct effect on bone health or its effect on

> >

> > increasing urinary excretion of calcium.

> >

> > Calcium, essential for good bone density, reaches its

> >

> > peak strength early on. The absence of good dietary

> >

> > habits and exercise depletes calcium stores and can

> >

> > result in osteoporosis, a painful and debilitating

> >

> > disease. Vitamin D helps to maintain calcium stores

> >

> > in the body.

> >

> > The nearly 500 women in the study ranged in age from

> >

> > 66 - 75. After three years it was found that those

> >

> > who consumed more than 300 milligrams caffeine from

> >

> > coffee (3 six-ounce cups), tea and other beverages,

> >

> > had greater loss in bone material density than the

> >

> > rest. Furthermore, those women who were identified at

> >

> > the beginning of the study as having a particular

> >

> > vitamin D receptor, a genetic factor, had an even

> >

> > greater loss.

> >

> > Study author, Dr. J.C. Gallagher of Creighton

> >

> > University, believes the results clearly show a

> >

> > relationship between caffeine and bone loss. But

> >

> > nutritionist Heller isn't so sure, saying

> >

> > that other studies suggest differently. She believes

> >

> > the connection has more to do with urinary calcium

> >

> > loss. Regardless, until more research is conducted,

> >

> > it is advisable to consume caffeine products in

> >

> > moderation and make sure to get adequate calcium both

> >

> > from diet and supplementation.

> >

> > To replenish calcium that is lost Dr. McBarron

> >

> > recommends taking OsteoProtect by Vitalogic, available

> >

> > at your local health food store, the Institute for

> >

> > Healthy Living at 1-, or at www.dukeandthedoctor.com

> >

> >

> >

> > >>

> >> Re: caffeine, carbonation

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 11/18/2003 8:28:05 PM Central Standard Time,

> >> rehab2@... writes:

> >>

> >> >>> I have one of the journal articles and can e-mail. Amber/FL

> >>>

> >> ---------------------------------------------

> >> Amber, I would love to have that article, if you'd email it to me. Thanks.

> >>

> >> Carol A

> >>

> >>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ray Hooks wrote:

<< I am beginning to suspect that the phosphorus in carbonated drinks may

have an effect on calcium absorption my men as well. I drink less than a

cup of water a month. 99% of my fluid intake is carbonated beverages. Even

though I have a daily calcium intake well over 4000 mg elemental calcium, I

have had some bone density loss in the last two years.

Ray Hooks >>

Funny, Vitalady was right about it all along I guess, now wasn't she? Good

thing most of us have been listening to her from the beginning.

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[Guest guest]

Terry Mayers wrote:

<< Funny, Vitalady was right about it all along I guess, now wasn't

she? Good

thing most of us have been listening to her from the beginning. >>

You have your facts wrong. This is what the Vitalady said on her web

site about drinking soda pop. " For every ounce of caffeinated beverage,

you must drink an oz of water to come out EVEN. Caffeine dehydrates.

(sucks, huh?) If you drink a 12 oz diet pop and then drink 12 oz of

water, you are now at 0. " She said that soda was a severe diuretic that

somehow created a negative liquid imbalance in the body. This is

complete nonsense. Since I drank a ratio of 99.5% soda to .5% water for

over 30 years, if the Vitalady dehydration hypothesis was anywhere near

correct, I would have died many years ago from dehydration. So, I guess

she was not right all along.

I have mentioned several times over the years that there was a

possibility that the phosphorous used in carbonation could possibly have

an effect on calcium absorption. Research in this area is just now

coming out, but is still not conclusive.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

Hooks wrote:

>

> << I am beginning to suspect that the phosphorus in carbonated drinks may

> have an effect on calcium absorption my men as well. I drink less than a

> cup of water a month. 99% of my fluid intake is carbonated beverages. Even

> though I have a daily calcium intake well over 4000 mg elemental calcium, I

> have had some bone density loss in the last two years.

>

> Ray Hooks >>

>

> Funny, Vitalady was right about it all along I guess, now wasn't she? Good

> thing most of us have been listening to her from the beginning.

>

[Guest guest]

Small wonder!! To be honest I am amazed you are still alive - you are

alive aren't you. I will say one thing, you are absolutely amazing - and

that is not necessarily a compliment!! Amber/FLRN

Re: caffeine, carbonation

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 11/18/2003 8:28:05 PM Central Standard Time,

> >> rehab2@... writes:

> >>

> >> >>> I have one of the journal articles and can e-mail. Amber/FL

> >>>

> >> ---------------------------------------------

> >> Amber, I would love to have that article, if you'd email it to me.

> >> Thanks.

> >>

> >> Carol A

> >>

> >>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ray,

I hope you can find a way to reduce your soda habit (I am working on it

too) and that you can actually start drinking some form of water. My

daily calcium intake is 2000 mg elemental and my bones have actually

gotten STRONGER in the past three years (I will be 37 this summer). I

think the combination of weight-bearing exercise (didn't do it as a

fatty unless I had to do it to live), extensive protein, vitamin and

mineral supplementation (so my body is not nutritionally deprived), and

the calcium citrate with all the other bone-helpers (D, boron,

magnesium, etc.) has led to this success.

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01

http://www.ziobro.us

Re: Re: caffeine, carbonation, bone loss

I am beginning to suspect that the phosphorus in carbonated drinks may

have an effect on calcium absorption my men as well. I drink less than

a cup of water a month. 99% of my fluid intake is carbonated beverages.

Even though I have a daily calcium intake well over 4000 mg elemental

calcium, I have had some bone density loss in the last two years.

Ray Hooks

For WLS nutrition info, visit

http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com