Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Oh yes, we are genetically prediposed. But then, thusly our height, complexion (ok, my red hair is a throw back), how our teeth are placed, body shape......... all of it is programmed in. Doesn't mean we will be clones, but the ingredients are all there. I'm built like all the women on my mom's side, but have the coloring of my dad's side. UNfortunately, my dad's women were all 100# on a fat day and lucky me, I got the apple body, never be normal size body of my mom's side. My d-i-l is also morbid, prolly super. As are her parents and 1 g-ma. Brother is up there, not sure if he's actually morbid. My son is not QUITE morbid, but close. My ex died of his obesity, only 100# over, at age 49. My grandson has virtually NO CHANCE of anything but morbid. And since they graze him, have not taught him any difference between a carrot and candy, he has the ingredients for super by puberty. My step dtr has 2 parents who have had surgery. She got to 90# over, then lost some, but now is well into morbid. She eats small portions, does not graze, but simply loves sugar. Otherwise, she doesn't really have bad eating habits. She tends toward lean meats and veggies and DOES NOT LIKE FRENCH FRIES (deviant) or other starches overly much. And of course, doing what I do, I often see 3 generations of post-ops. What actually surprises me is to see an only child of one of us be thin. I kinda wonder how the odds worked out. The studies show that if one parent is MO, the child has a 65-70% chance, and with 2 MO parents, 85-90% (2 studies on twins separated at birth). And then if you toss in the very worst of the eating habits and no nutritional guidance, all the odds go up to 100%. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re:RE: Re: Therapist issues > Also, Amber, I wonder how many of us have relatives and ancestors who > are/were morbidly obese? I know in my case, both my paternal & maternal > great-grandmothers would be classified as super obese were they alive today. Does this > mean we are predestined to obesity? I don't think it's THAT unavoidable, > but perhaps this genetic propensity signals that our bodies are more efficent at > storing calories as fat and excells at allowing us to grow fat cells at an > accellerated rate above the " average. " We all have stories about eating at > home with family members where everyone is eating the same meal and about the > same amount, but it will be US who will gain weight. There is also the > obsession we seem to have innately about food, where it feels that's all we think > about. I know in the past if I was at a big party with an elaborate buffet, I > would be so obsessed with that buffet table to the exclusion of almost > everything else. Life evolved around the consumption of food versus having food fuel > our lives. What is it about us that drives us to food, versus alcohol, or > drugs, or whatever. Food is my drug of choice, no doubt about it. Something > chemical in the brain related to this genetic propensity? I know that I > have been depressed (to varying degrees) most of my life and at the same time > have been struggling with weight and food issues. We all know what it's like > when we've lost weight in the past, only to suffer from a strong compulsion to > eat until we succumb. I often joke I once lost 145 lbs on Weight Watchers in > 8 months, and I kept it off for five minutes. It's not much of an > exaggeration. That brief period of time I was struggling to maintain that weight loss > was the hungriest time in my life! I was ravenous. Chemical, genetic, I am > POSITIVE! Emotionally I was in a decent place then, of course, as I > regained that quickly changed. The genetic, the chemical, the emotional seem so > inextricably and intricately linked in a sort of daisy chain where it's > impossible to tell the front from the end, it just revolves and revolves propelled by > it's own velocity. > > As to antidepressants: up until this past year I was 100% against taking > them, and I suffered greatly and unnecessarily as a result, but finally I got > over being stupid. They have made an amazing difference in my life and I am > so grateful to the chemists or whoever concocted these drugs. To paraphrase > Charlton Heston, if someone were to try to take my antidepressant away from me, > it would be from my cold dead hands! LMAO! > > As I am going into year 3, I notice I am struggling more, but I have to admit > it's not so much that I am more hungry (physically). Yes, I do feel hunger > at times, but not to the degree I felt it pre-wls. Now when I am hungry I > can satiate that physical hunger with a small amount of food. I think the > surgery does alot to decrease certain stomach hormones believed to influence > hunger. But there will be times, many many times, when I am not physically hungry > whatsoever yet I have a compulsion to eat. So, it's clear I have the same > head compulsions as I did presurgery --- rooted by a genetic predisposition and > resultant chemical reactions?????????? That's the part that hasn't changed > since surgery and I think that is what got most of us MO. As a result, the > struggle continues and we must be ever vigilant. It will ALWAYS be easier for > us to gain weight ... ALWAYS. We will ALWAYS have to work harder to keep the > weight off ... ALWAYS. > > The thing is to not let that reality defeat us, but just make us ever on > guard. That's the way the dice rolled for us! > > Maybe in our lifetime some genius will figure this stuff out. I doubt it. > > Lucille (Happy New Year everyone!) > > In a message dated 12/31/2003 9:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Graduate-OSSG writes: > > > > , I have been asking this question as an RN for 25 plus years. The > > psychiatrists haven't a clue nor do the majority of the psychologists. I > > have a theory though - I think the depression comes first, the carbs > > make us feel better so we eat more, then we gain weight and depression > > increases and to self-comfort we seek-out the feel good from the carbs > > and it becomes a vicious cycle. Another thing is I think many of us have > > a problem with our serotonin levels. > > Maybe we do not make enough, make our body does not use it properly, or > > maybe we have more stressors in our life and " we run out " . > > I asked a friend who is a therapist why 85%+ of the females that I know > > are on anti-depressants. She theorized that we are born with x-amount > > that can be maintained with exercise, sunshine, nutrition whatever. > > Major stressors can cause it to be depleted. Unlike our mothers and > > grandmothers, we work, raise a family, are active in our religion, the > > PTA, work for an advanced educational degree, all while being a nuclear > > family without family support. All of these things take a toll on our > > serotonin level. Now, having said all that - that, with about $.90 might > > buy you a cup of coffee LOL. > > The question I have asked and heard the answer rather clearly is how > > many of us have abuse issues? Many of us have them and I think many of > > us eat to self-comfort. > > Amber/FLRN > > PS happy New Year Everyone!! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 man when u put it like that seems the odds are very stacked against us janice fat genes? Oh yes, we are genetically prediposed. But then, thusly our height, complexion (ok, my red hair is a throw back), how our teeth are placed, body shape......... all of it is programmed in. Doesn't mean we will be clones, but the ingredients are all there. I'm built like all the women on my mom's side, but have the coloring of my dad's side. UNfortunately, my dad's women were all 100# on a fat day and lucky me, I got the apple body, never be normal size body of my mom's side. My d-i-l is also morbid, prolly super. As are her parents and 1 g-ma. Brother is up there, not sure if he's actually morbid. My son is not QUITE morbid, but close. My ex died of his obesity, only 100# over, at age 49. My grandson has virtually NO CHANCE of anything but morbid. And since they graze him, have not taught him any difference between a carrot and candy, he has the ingredients for super by puberty. My step dtr has 2 parents who have had surgery. She got to 90# over, then lost some, but now is well into morbid. She eats small portions, does not graze, but simply loves sugar. Otherwise, she doesn't really have bad eating habits. She tends toward lean meats and veggies and DOES NOT LIKE FRENCH FRIES (deviant) or other starches overly much. And of course, doing what I do, I often see 3 generations of post-ops. What actually surprises me is to see an only child of one of us be thin. I kinda wonder how the odds worked out. The studies show that if one parent is MO, the child has a 65-70% chance, and with 2 MO parents, 85-90% (2 studies on twins separated at birth). And then if you toss in the very worst of the eating habits and no nutritional guidance, all the odds go up to 100%. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re:RE: Re: Therapist issues > Also, Amber, I wonder how many of us have relatives and ancestors who > are/were morbidly obese? I know in my case, both my paternal & maternal > great-grandmothers would be classified as super obese were they alive today. Does this > mean we are predestined to obesity? I don't think it's THAT unavoidable, > but perhaps this genetic propensity signals that our bodies are more efficent at > storing calories as fat and excells at allowing us to grow fat cells at an > accellerated rate above the " average. " We all have stories about eating at > home with family members where everyone is eating the same meal and about the > same amount, but it will be US who will gain weight. There is also the > obsession we seem to have innately about food, where it feels that's all we think > about. I know in the past if I was at a big party with an elaborate buffet, I > would be so obsessed with that buffet table to the exclusion of almost > everything else. Life evolved around the consumption of food versus having food fuel > our lives. What is it about us that drives us to food, versus alcohol, or > drugs, or whatever. Food is my drug of choice, no doubt about it. Something > chemical in the brain related to this genetic propensity? I know that I > have been depressed (to varying degrees) most of my life and at the same time > have been struggling with weight and food issues. We all know what it's like > when we've lost weight in the past, only to suffer from a strong compulsion to > eat until we succumb. I often joke I once lost 145 lbs on Weight Watchers in > 8 months, and I kept it off for five minutes. It's not much of an > exaggeration. That brief period of time I was struggling to maintain that weight loss > was the hungriest time in my life! I was ravenous. Chemical, genetic, I am > POSITIVE! Emotionally I was in a decent place then, of course, as I > regained that quickly changed. The genetic, the chemical, the emotional seem so > inextricably and intricately linked in a sort of daisy chain where it's > impossible to tell the front from the end, it just revolves and revolves propelled by > it's own velocity. > > As to antidepressants: up until this past year I was 100% against taking > them, and I suffered greatly and unnecessarily as a result, but finally I got > over being stupid. They have made an amazing difference in my life and I am > so grateful to the chemists or whoever concocted these drugs. To paraphrase > Charlton Heston, if someone were to try to take my antidepressant away from me, > it would be from my cold dead hands! LMAO! > > As I am going into year 3, I notice I am struggling more, but I have to admit > it's not so much that I am more hungry (physically). Yes, I do feel hunger > at times, but not to the degree I felt it pre-wls. Now when I am hungry I > can satiate that physical hunger with a small amount of food. I think the > surgery does alot to decrease certain stomach hormones believed to influence > hunger. But there will be times, many many times, when I am not physically hungry > whatsoever yet I have a compulsion to eat. So, it's clear I have the same > head compulsions as I did presurgery --- rooted by a genetic predisposition and > resultant chemical reactions?????????? That's the part that hasn't changed > since surgery and I think that is what got most of us MO. As a result, the > struggle continues and we must be ever vigilant. It will ALWAYS be easier for > us to gain weight ... ALWAYS. We will ALWAYS have to work harder to keep the > weight off ... ALWAYS. > > The thing is to not let that reality defeat us, but just make us ever on > guard. That's the way the dice rolled for us! > > Maybe in our lifetime some genius will figure this stuff out. I doubt it. > > Lucille (Happy New Year everyone!) > > In a message dated 12/31/2003 9:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Graduate-OSSG writes: > > > > , I have been asking this question as an RN for 25 plus years. The > > psychiatrists haven't a clue nor do the majority of the psychologists. I > > have a theory though - I think the depression comes first, the carbs > > make us feel better so we eat more, then we gain weight and depression > > increases and to self-comfort we seek-out the feel good from the carbs > > and it becomes a vicious cycle. Another thing is I think many of us have > > a problem with our serotonin levels. > > Maybe we do not make enough, make our body does not use it properly, or > > maybe we have more stressors in our life and " we run out " . > > I asked a friend who is a therapist why 85%+ of the females that I know > > are on anti-depressants. She theorized that we are born with x-amount > > that can be maintained with exercise, sunshine, nutrition whatever. > > Major stressors can cause it to be depleted. Unlike our mothers and > > grandmothers, we work, raise a family, are active in our religion, the > > PTA, work for an advanced educational degree, all while being a nuclear > > family without family support. All of these things take a toll on our > > serotonin level. Now, having said all that - that, with about $.90 might > > buy you a cup of coffee LOL. > > The question I have asked and heard the answer rather clearly is how > > many of us have abuse issues? Many of us have them and I think many of > > us eat to self-comfort. > > Amber/FLRN > > PS happy New Year Everyone!! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Just so we identify the physical component of the disease. and deal with it. Take on the chemical reaction (or behavioral, if you prefer) SEPARATELY and don't mingle the predisposition with character or lack thereof. I'm not saying we obliterate all character flaws. I, myself, am completely insane, as can be seen. However, I do not have an ED other than wanting to eat food. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re:RE: Re: Therapist issues > > > > Also, Amber, I wonder how many of us have relatives and ancestors > who > > are/were morbidly obese? I know in my case, both my paternal & > maternal > > great-grandmothers would be classified as super obese were they > alive today. Does this > > mean we are predestined to obesity? I don't think it's THAT > unavoidable, > > but perhaps this genetic propensity signals that our bodies are > more efficent at > > storing calories as fat and excells at allowing us to grow fat > cells at an > > accellerated rate above the " average. " We all have stories about > eating at > > home with family members where everyone is eating the same meal > and about the > > same amount, but it will be US who will gain weight. There is > also the > > obsession we seem to have innately about food, where it feels > that's all we think > > about. I know in the past if I was at a big party with an > elaborate buffet, I > > would be so obsessed with that buffet table to the exclusion of > almost > > everything else. Life evolved around the consumption of food > versus having food fuel > > our lives. What is it about us that drives us to food, versus > alcohol, or > > drugs, or whatever. Food is my drug of choice, no doubt about > it. Something > > chemical in the brain related to this genetic propensity? I know > that I > > have been depressed (to varying degrees) most of my life and at > the same time > > have been struggling with weight and food issues. We all know > what it's like > > when we've lost weight in the past, only to suffer from a strong > compulsion to > > eat until we succumb. I often joke I once lost 145 lbs on Weight > Watchers in > > 8 months, and I kept it off for five minutes. It's not much of > an > > exaggeration. That brief period of time I was struggling to > maintain that weight loss > > was the hungriest time in my life! I was ravenous. Chemical, > genetic, I am > > POSITIVE! Emotionally I was in a decent place then, of course, > as I > > regained that quickly changed. The genetic, the chemical, the > emotional seem so > > inextricably and intricately linked in a sort of daisy chain where > it's > > impossible to tell the front from the end, it just revolves and > revolves propelled by > > it's own velocity. > > > > As to antidepressants: up until this past year I was 100% > against taking > > them, and I suffered greatly and unnecessarily as a result, but > finally I got > > over being stupid. They have made an amazing difference in my > life and I am > > so grateful to the chemists or whoever concocted these drugs. To > paraphrase > > Charlton Heston, if someone were to try to take my antidepressant > away from me, > > it would be from my cold dead hands! LMAO! > > > > As I am going into year 3, I notice I am struggling more, but I > have to admit > > it's not so much that I am more hungry (physically). Yes, I do > feel hunger > > at times, but not to the degree I felt it pre-wls. Now when I am > hungry I > > can satiate that physical hunger with a small amount of food. I > think the > > surgery does alot to decrease certain stomach hormones believed to > influence > > hunger. But there will be times, many many times, when I am not > physically hungry > > whatsoever yet I have a compulsion to eat. So, it's clear I have > the same > > head compulsions as I did presurgery --- rooted by a genetic > predisposition and > > resultant chemical reactions?????????? That's the part that > hasn't changed > > since surgery and I think that is what got most of us MO. As a > result, the > > struggle continues and we must be ever vigilant. It will ALWAYS > be easier for > > us to gain weight ... ALWAYS. We will ALWAYS have to work harder > to keep the > > weight off ... ALWAYS. > > > > The thing is to not let that reality defeat us, but just make us > ever on > > guard. That's the way the dice rolled for us! > > > > Maybe in our lifetime some genius will figure this stuff out. I > doubt it. > > > > Lucille (Happy New Year everyone!) > > > > In a message dated 12/31/2003 9:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Graduate-OSSG writes: > > > > > > > , I have been asking this question as an RN for 25 plus > years. The > > > psychiatrists haven't a clue nor do the majority of the > psychologists. I > > > have a theory though - I think the depression comes first, the > carbs > > > make us feel better so we eat more, then we gain weight and > depression > > > increases and to self-comfort we seek-out the feel good from the > carbs > > > and it becomes a vicious cycle. Another thing is I think many of > us have > > > a problem with our serotonin levels. > > > Maybe we do not make enough, make our body does not use it > properly, or > > > maybe we have more stressors in our life and " we run out " . > > > I asked a friend who is a therapist why 85%+ of the females that > I know > > > are on anti-depressants. She theorized that we are born with > x-amount > > > that can be maintained with exercise, sunshine, nutrition > whatever. > > > Major stressors can cause it to be depleted. Unlike our mothers > and > > > grandmothers, we work, raise a family, are active in our > religion, the > > > PTA, work for an advanced educational degree, all while being a > nuclear > > > family without family support. All of these things take a toll > on our > > > serotonin level. Now, having said all that - that, with about > $.90 might > > > buy you a cup of coffee LOL. > > > The question I have asked and heard the answer rather clearly is > how > > > many of us have abuse issues? Many of us have them and I think > many of > > > us eat to self-comfort. > > > Amber/FLRN > > > PS happy New Year Everyone!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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