Re: CDSA Test Prep & Effects---TMI Warning

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>

> Back on Charcoal, and the smell is gone. In fact, there is not

> much smell at all to my BMs if I'm not gassy, which I attribute to SCD

> and the stuff I take.

>

> Also, since I had to get up close and personal with the samples, I

> could observe some more details:

>

> 1) the tiny black flecks

>

> 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like

> crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the

> sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like

> asteroids :-)

>

Could be biofilms or parasites shedding.

What is the CDSA?

What are you currently testing for?

Mara

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What form of charcoal are you taking?Where do you get it?Thanks,> > Back on Charcoal, and the smell is gone. In fact, there is not > much smell at all to my BMs if I'm not gassy, which I attribute to SCD > and the stuff I take.> > Also, since I had to get up close and personal with the samples, I > could observe some more details:> > 1) the tiny black flecks> > 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like > crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the > sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like > asteroids :-)> Could be biofilms or parasites shedding. What is the CDSA?What are you currently testing for? Mara

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" 1) the tiny black flecks

2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like

crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the

sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like

asteroids :- "

These sound like classic oxalate dumping signs to me! You might benefit greatly

from a low-oxalate SCD diet. It is doing wonders for us! Oxalates would explain

your " still over-reactive gut " . I recommend joining the Trying Low Oxalate

Yahoo group to learn more!

Dawn

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> For about 10 days prior to doing a CDSA test, I went off of all the

> meds and supplements I use to treat my still over-reactive gut:

> Diflucan, Enhansa, Charcoal, Scdophilus being the primary ones.

> I added in some extra Vitamin C to do more of a purge (thanks, Jodi

> !) which I knew would keep things moving, though aggravating my GI tract

> to no end. It worked for the most part.

>

> The good news: I clearly need all of the above to have a slightly

> happier gut---knew that but always good to get confirmation.

>

> The interesting news:

>

> Once the first day of collection came, there was this awful smell

> to the BM. Now, I know the crowd I'm talking to, and we've all

> encountered the awful methane, sulfur based smell. But this wasn't it.

> It smelled more like chemicals. The closest I could come to the smell

> was the kind you get when you take Ampicillin and you can smell the

> antibiotic in your urine and BM.

>

> Anyone have a guess as to what the cause would be ?

>

> Back on Charcoal, and the smell is gone. In fact, there is not

> much smell at all to my BMs if I'm not gassy, which I attribute to SCD

> and the stuff I take.

>

> Also, since I had to get up close and personal with the samples, I

> could observe some more details:

>

> 1) the tiny black flecks

>

> 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like

> crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the

> sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like

> asteroids :-)

>

> Neither of these resemble anything I eat or take.

>

> Any thoughts on the above are appreciated. I am 18 months SCD, 22

> months on various antifungals, and can eat less foods than when I

> started SCD and I'm down to only 2 carbs (acorn and butternut squash).

>

> Thanks for any insights !

>

>

> Sue R

>

[Guest guest]

BTW, if you do have an oxalate problem, Vitamin C will make it worse, believe it

or not! It converts to oxalates, continuing the cycle...

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> For about 10 days prior to doing a CDSA test, I went off of all the

> meds and supplements I use to treat my still over-reactive gut:

> Diflucan, Enhansa, Charcoal, Scdophilus being the primary ones.

> I added in some extra Vitamin C to do more of a purge (thanks, Jodi

> !) which I knew would keep things moving, though aggravating my GI tract

> to no end. It worked for the most part.

>

> The good news: I clearly need all of the above to have a slightly

> happier gut---knew that but always good to get confirmation.

>

> The interesting news:

>

> Once the first day of collection came, there was this awful smell

> to the BM. Now, I know the crowd I'm talking to, and we've all

> encountered the awful methane, sulfur based smell. But this wasn't it.

> It smelled more like chemicals. The closest I could come to the smell

> was the kind you get when you take Ampicillin and you can smell the

> antibiotic in your urine and BM.

>

> Anyone have a guess as to what the cause would be ?

>

> Back on Charcoal, and the smell is gone. In fact, there is not

> much smell at all to my BMs if I'm not gassy, which I attribute to SCD

> and the stuff I take.

>

> Also, since I had to get up close and personal with the samples, I

> could observe some more details:

>

> 1) the tiny black flecks

>

> 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like

> crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the

> sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like

> asteroids :-)

>

> Neither of these resemble anything I eat or take.

>

> Any thoughts on the above are appreciated. I am 18 months SCD, 22

> months on various antifungals, and can eat less foods than when I

> started SCD and I'm down to only 2 carbs (acorn and butternut squash).

>

> Thanks for any insights !

>

>

> Sue R

>

[Guest guest]

What are Oxalates?:-)"1) the tiny black flecks2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look likecrushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with thesample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look likeasteroids :-"These sound like classic oxalate dumping signs to me! You might benefit greatly from a low-oxalate SCD diet. It is doing wonders for us! Oxalates would explain your "still over-reactive gut". I recommend joining the Trying Low Oxalate Yahoo group to learn more!Dawn >> Hi everyone,> > For about 10 days prior to doing a CDSA test, I went off of all the > meds and supplements I use to treat my still over-reactive gut: > Diflucan, Enhansa, Charcoal, Scdophilus being the primary ones.> I added in some extra Vitamin C to do more of a purge (thanks, Jodi > !) which I knew would keep things moving, though aggravating my GI tract > to no end. It worked for the most part.> > The good news: I clearly need all of the above to have a slightly > happier gut---knew that but always good to get confirmation.> > The interesting news:> > Once the first day of collection came, there was this awful smell > to the BM. Now, I know the crowd I'm talking to, and we've all > encountered the awful methane, sulfur based smell. But this wasn't it. > It smelled more like chemicals. The closest I could come to the smell > was the kind you get when you take Ampicillin and you can smell the > antibiotic in your urine and BM.> > Anyone have a guess as to what the cause would be ?> > Back on Charcoal, and the smell is gone. In fact, there is not > much smell at all to my BMs if I'm not gassy, which I attribute to SCD > and the stuff I take.> > Also, since I had to get up close and personal with the samples, I > could observe some more details:> > 1) the tiny black flecks> > 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like > crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the > sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like > asteroids :-)> > Neither of these resemble anything I eat or take.> > Any thoughts on the above are appreciated. I am 18 months SCD, 22 > months on various antifungals, and can eat less foods than when I > started SCD and I'm down to only 2 carbs (acorn and butternut squash).> > Thanks for any insights !> > > Sue R>

[Guest guest]

> " 1) the tiny black flecks

>

> 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like

> crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the

> sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like

> asteroids :- "

>

> These sound like classic oxalate dumping signs to me! You might benefit

greatly from a low-oxalate SCD diet. It is doing wonders for us! Oxalates would

explain your " still over-reactive gut " . I recommend joining the Trying Low

Oxalate Yahoo group to learn more!

Explainy please.

Why would oxylates dump hard white things?

Mara

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue,

Hard white things could certainly be oxalate crystals. Please take a look at

the juicing-method of introducing oxalobacter formigenes into the intestine that

I posted last week.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD/message/53670

I appreciate that Dawn has been helped by a low-oxalate diet, but that would

restrict your foods even more, so I suggest trying the juicing.

, mom to

[Guest guest]

They are crystals. Here is a good link:

http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/1894-the-role-of-oxalates-in-autism-an\

d-chronic-disorders.html

Very interesting stuff! For a science geek like me, anyhow.

>

> > " 1) the tiny black flecks

> >

> > 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like

> > crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the

> > sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like

> > asteroids :- "

> >

> > These sound like classic oxalate dumping signs to me! You might benefit

greatly from a low-oxalate SCD diet. It is doing wonders for us! Oxalates would

explain your " still over-reactive gut " . I recommend joining the Trying Low

Oxalate Yahoo group to learn more!

>

>

> Explainy please.

>

> Why would oxylates dump hard white things?

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

, Owens, Head of the Autism Oxalate Project at ARI, just responded to

this cabbage theory of Tamaro's. There is no science to back it up. The expert

on oxalates (Dr. - the microbiologist who discovered this microbe 25

years ago and devoted his

career to studying it) has said that the only way that Oxalobacter formigenes,

an obligate anaerobe, would be found on cabbage would be through fecal

contamination. Think about it, why would O. formigenes, a bacteria that eats

oxalates, exist on a food with negligible oxalate content? It makes no sense.

For more information see 's recent post on this at the Trying Low Oxalates

group.

>

> Hi, Sue,

> Hard white things could certainly be oxalate crystals. Please take a look at

the juicing-method of introducing oxalobacter formigenes into the intestine that

I posted last week.

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD/message/53670

>

> I appreciate that Dawn has been helped by a low-oxalate diet, but that would

restrict your foods even more, so I suggest trying the juicing.

> , mom to

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. Thanks.They are crystals. Here is a good link: http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/1894-the-role-of-oxalates-in-autism-and-chronic-disorders.htmlVery interesting stuff! For a science geek like me, anyhow. > > > "1) the tiny black flecks> > > > 2) the white flecks I've asked about before which look like> > crushed corn flakes----these are hard, were difficult to break with the> > sample spoon. These are more like 1/8-1/4 in size and look like> > asteroids :-"> > > > These sound like classic oxalate dumping signs to me! You might benefit greatly from a low-oxalate SCD diet. It is doing wonders for us! Oxalates would explain your "still over-reactive gut". I recommend joining the Trying Low Oxalate Yahoo group to learn more!> > > Explainy please. > > Why would oxylates dump hard white things? > > Mara>

[Guest guest]

Please note that we are NOT going to get into an argument about oxalates

or low oxalates.

Dawn, I understand you have found it helpful, but Elaine was very

cautious about combining diets because it makes for a very very

restrictive one.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

What form of charcoal are you taking?

Where do you get it?

Hi ,

    I take Activated Charcoal produced by a number of manufacturers, I

think I have Nature's Way right now.  I get most of my supplements from

www.iherb.com   or www.vitacost.com

    Both have great prices compared to local and a great variety. 

Iherb tends to have many more NOW brand products which are SCD legal

and are one of the few brands of things that don't bother me.

    The Charcoal seems to suck out all the junk which makes my gut so

unhappy.  My GI doctor (who believes yeast is real and prescribes SCD

to all his patients) thinks that I have a nasty yeast infection and

that as the yeast die, they produce acetylaldehyde, which is an alcohol

and extremely irritating.

    Whatever the reason, charcoal makes me a much happier camper than

without.  You have to be careful to have a window before and after

eating or taking meds etc.  I've heard 1, 1/2 hours, but I do a 2hour

window on either side, e.g. take supps/meds, eat, wait 2 hours after

I'm done eating, take charcoal, wait 2 hours, then eat again.

HTH,

Sue

[Guest guest]

Whatever the reason, charcoal makes me a much happier camper than without. You have to be careful to have a window before and after eating or taking meds etc. I've heard 1, 1/2 hours, but I do a 2hour window on either side, e.g. take supps/meds, eat, wait 2 hours after I'm done eating, take charcoal, wait 2 hours, then eat again.

What is the reason for the time window?

Thanks, Tasha

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Whatever the reason, charcoal makes me a much happier camper than without. You have to be careful to have a window before and after eating or taking meds etc. I've heard 1, 1/2 hours, but I do a 2hour window on either side, e.g. take supps/meds, eat, wait 2 hours after I'm done eating, take charcoal, wait 2 hours, then eat again. What is the reason for the time window?It can absorb the medicine rendering it ineffective. Same way that it binds to the bad stuff and helpsit exit the body. Mara

[Guest guest]

Hi Mara,

"Could be biofilms or parasites shedding. "

It is my great hope that's what it is !

"What is the CDSA?"

Comprehensive Diagnostic Stool Analysis, Genova Labs

"What are you currently testing for?"

Anything that'll show up :-)

GI enzymes, nutritional components (different amino acids if I

recall), potentially pathogenic bacteria and yeast, parasites,

worms,---I'm probably forgetting a whole bunch of things. Website is:

www.genovadiagnostics.com

I am really hoping for an easily treatable parasite. I was talking

with my DSIL and told her that and she said, "I can say that I've never

prayed for that before, but if that''s what will help, that's what I'll

pray for"

This experience certainly has you talking about things and asking

for things you never would have dreamed of

;-)

Sue

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi Mara,

>

> " Could be biofilms or parasites shedding. "

>

> It is my great hope that's what it is !

I don't know that they would be hard, though.

Well, you never know.

>I am really hoping for an easily treatable parasite. I was talking with my

DSIL and told her that and she said, " I can say that I've >never prayed for that

before, but if that''s what will help, that's what I'll pray for "

LOL!

That Weston Price oxylate article someone else posted is pretty interesting.

Mara