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Nice to meet you Ma. Good luck moving forward hun.

Sherra

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> Hi, I have posted before, but it has been a long time. Dr. Celio Burrowes

in Atlanta did my Fobi gastric bypass on June 18, 2001, so am almost 2 and

1/2 yrs. post op. I have had a good experience with my surgery and would not

trade a thing. I still have trouble with some foods and never know what is

going to settle. Protein shakes are my lifesavers!

>

> I am in the process of making my final appeal for reconstructive

surgeries. Please keep me in your thoughts and hope for approval at this

last level.

>

> I look forward to hearing from you.

> Ma in GA

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In a message dated 1/14/04 6:33:50 AM Central Standard Time,

icemouse65@... writes:

> The first issue I have is rather embarrassing... I have noticed that all of

> my stools have very small odd looking white 'balls' that are all through

> out... They are about the size of a mustard seed. Any ideas what this might

be?

> It does not seem to resemble any food that I have eaten or not chewed well

> enough... I'm stumped?!

> -----------

My " guess " is that these could be fat globules -- fat that is not

being broken down and digested due to your RNY.

Do your stools " sink " or " float " ? Floaters typically indicate

malabsorbed fat.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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Welcome to the Group Tracey.

About the skin breaking and splitting, I had this happen even

before I had surgery. It is hard to get oxygen in that area plus trying

to keep it clean and dry. I suspect that the skin is infact breaking

down. The bleeding won't necessarily hurt either. Most of the time it

didn't with me. It maybe time to consider plastic surgery. My insurance

covered the panniculectomy with no problems.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:40:41 -0800 (PST) Tracey Arnold

writes:

> The next question I have is about my skin . . . I have very loose

> skin all around my lower belly that I have to keep clean and dry all

> the time. Tonite while I was inspecting the area I lifted the skin

> and it split! At first it didn't bleed and just was very white, but

> then it started to bleed. Why would my skin break open like that? It

> wasn't sore or anything before or after it happened.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Tracey

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Good afternoon Tish and welcome to the group. I really don't have much

advise on how to loose that last 30 lbs. I have heard it is the hardest

to loose.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/356/hoping for close to 200

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:57:04 -0000 " morganx5 "

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> Hello there,

>

> I'm new to this group, just happened to come across it on the

> Obesity Help website. I had lap RNY 9/19/02 in Atlanta, GA, so I'm

>

> almost 16 months out, and trying to get jump started again on the

> weight loss. I've lost 105 so far, need to lose another 30 for my

> BMI to be in the normal range. I'm open to any and all ideas!

>

> Tish

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> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

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> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

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Ok, I need to know something. Why is it MOST of us (and I am one) say I have

ONLY lost 100 pounds or 112 or 130 or...... well, you get the idea. We all

start from different places in this journey for Weight Loss. Some of us are

taller or shorter, heaver or lighter. BUT we should NEVER belittle what we

have accomplished no matter WHAT the number is. Go to Home Depot and LOOK at

100 pounds of something. Honestly, that is a WHOLE darn person if you think

about it! Or in my family at least a teenager (we grow them TALL). Tracey,

what you have done is awesome. It isn't ONLY 100 pounds.....it is a WHOLE

new life.

Sorry, it is like saying I am ONLY a Mother and housewife. HUMMMMM That is

one of the worlds hardest jobs!

Just my two cents for what it is worth.

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

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Hello Everyone!

My name is Tracey and I am now two plus years into my " new me " after a

gastric bypass in 2001. Although I have only lost 100 pounds I feel as if

the weight of the world has been taken off my back... I am happier and

healthier than I have been in 10 or more years! At this point I am having

few problems with my R-N-Y other than mild dumping and gas once in a great

while.

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>>Go to Home Depot and LOOK at

> 100 pounds of something. Honestly, that is a WHOLE darn person if you

think

> about it!

I once quipped, when I'd lost my first hundred, " Hey, I've lost one entire

Hooters Girl! "

LOL!

~~ Lyn

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I've always been fond of telling people, " I'm less than half the woman I

used to be. "

=================================

My husband always tells people " she's not the girl I once knew " .

I weigh less that we did when we first met 19 years ago. : )

Regina

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Judy - Welcome to the group!! You are not alone; everyone here has

jaw problems. I'm 47 with an underbite. Today my ceramic brackets

were installed; next Tuesday I get the spacers and the following

Tuesday the spacers come out and the archwires, bands, and

ligatures/o-rings get put on. My surgery will be sometime next

summer, after I've had braces on for ten months. I am having a BSSO

(Bilateral Sagittal Split (Ramus) Osteotomy) set-back procedure, plus

my OMS wants to do a LeFort Maxillary Osteotomy to advance my maxilla

and drop it down in front, as I have Maxillary Hypoplasia. This group

is awesome; you've come to the right place! ~~ Diane

oogroups.com, " Judith D. " <judisguise@e...> wrote:

> Hello all!

>

> My name is Judy and I am in the Dallas, Texas area. I have been in

> braces for almost a year and scheduled for surgery August 3rd. I am

> having quite a bit done. I really appreciate the albums you have

> generously made available. I am 52 and I have been uncomfortable

> with my mouth since childhood. I have had tons of dental work,

> crowns, root canals etc. When I checked into getting braces at

about

> 30, I was told that braces would not be of any signifigant help to

> me. I tried to accept that and be happy with the way I looked. I

did

> not have much success. I think Carol Burnett was the first famous

> person I heard of having this type of surgery and I started to hope

> I would be able to do something. A few years ago I went to a new

> dentist, Dr Glenn, she suggested that I have some partials made to

> fill in the holes in my smile where teeth were missing. ( As a

> child, I had a cyst in my upper jaw and lost a couple of teeth to

> that, then I avoided the dentist, my brother had told me they were

> going to pull out all my teeth. Okay you get the picture, Lots of

> cavities!) Anyhow I told Dr Glenn that I was unwilling to spend

> anymore money on a smile I hated, unless it was to do something

> radical. Dr Glenn got in touch with an orthodonist who had an

> associate and good friend who happened to be an Oral surgeon. Now

it

> is almost two years later and I am so excited! I have no idea what

> kind of real change there will be in my appearance once everything

> is said and done, and oh yes the swelling, numbness and bruising

> goes away. I hope that I will be able to breathe easier, My lower

> jaw is moving out, and my upper jaw moving up and back 5mm. It

would

> be awesome to be able to shut my mouth without effort and as a

bonus

> what if I can whistle! I will try to post some pictures soon.

>

> Hope everyone has a great day!

>

> Judy in disguise with braces!

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Hi, my name's Dee and I am totally new to this whole thing. I'm

writing to introduce

myself and to be in solidarity with everyone and especially Judy

whose post is below. I'm

41, had braces as a teen, but never had my overbite corrected. I've

never had a

comfortable bite and thought I would have to live like this for the

rest of my life until my

periodontist said I was a good candidate for orthodontics. I couldn't

believe it! So, I

looked into it, and here I am. I've got my braces on the lowers and

am just now

getting over the initial soreness and strangeness (funny how you

forget that unpleasant

stuff!). I've had one consultation with the surgeon who has a great

reputation. I'm just so

very nervous about the actual surgery which right now seems so far

away. Sounds like at

this point I am going to have both upper and lower including widening

my upper jaw.

Anyone out there who's gone through this who wants to give me some

insights, advice,

stories (positive, I hope!). I sure would appreciate hearing from

you and congrats to

everyone out there who's gotten as far as you have and thanks for

being here for us

newcomers!

> > Hello all!

> >

> > My name is Judy and I am in the Dallas, Texas area. I have been

in

> > braces for almost a year and scheduled for surgery August 3rd. I

am

> > having quite a bit done. I really appreciate the albums you have

> > generously made available. I am 52 and I have been uncomfortable

> > with my mouth since childhood. I have had tons of dental work,

> > crowns, root canals etc. When I checked into getting braces at

> about

> > 30, I was told that braces would not be of any signifigant help

to

> > me. I tried to accept that and be happy with the way I looked. I

> did

> > not have much success. I think Carol Burnett was the first famous

> > person I heard of having this type of surgery and I started to

hope

> > I would be able to do something. A few years ago I went to a new

> > dentist, Dr Glenn, she suggested that I have some partials made

to

> > fill in the holes in my smile where teeth were missing. ( As a

> > child, I had a cyst in my upper jaw and lost a couple of teeth to

> > that, then I avoided the dentist, my brother had told me they

were

> > going to pull out all my teeth. Okay you get the picture, Lots of

> > cavities!) Anyhow I told Dr Glenn that I was unwilling to spend

> > anymore money on a smile I hated, unless it was to do something

> > radical. Dr Glenn got in touch with an orthodonist who had an

> > associate and good friend who happened to be an Oral surgeon. Now

> it

> > is almost two years later and I am so excited! I have no idea

what

> > kind of real change there will be in my appearance once

everything

> > is said and done, and oh yes the swelling, numbness and bruising

> > goes away. I hope that I will be able to breathe easier, My

lower

> > jaw is moving out, and my upper jaw moving up and back 5mm. It

> would

> > be awesome to be able to shut my mouth without effort and as a

> bonus

> > what if I can whistle! I will try to post some pictures soon.

> >

> > Hope everyone has a great day!

> >

> > Judy in disguise with braces!

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Hello Katelyn - Welcome to the group! First of all, if you are

having second thoughts about your surgeon, then by all means get a

second and, if needed, a third opinion. This surgery is way too

serious to be done by someone you are having problems trusting. All

surgeons do these surgeries a bit differently; has your surgeon

explained why he feels you need to be wired shut? I'm having upper

(LeFort Maxillary Osteotomy) and lower (BSSO) surgeries next June to

correct my underbite and my surgeon won't be wiring me shut, just

splinting and banding me. Specifically, what procedures will you be

having done? BSSO? LeFort? The only lower procedure that actually

requires wiring a patient shut is the IVRO, or Intraoral Vertical

Ramus Osteotomy, which is only for mandibular set-back; the BSSO

(Bilateral Sagittal Split (Ramus) Osteotomy) is the most commonly

used mandibular procedure because it can be used for both mandibular

advancement and for set-back.// I would suggest that you make an

appointment with your Ortho to talk about this - he might be able to

refer you to another surgeon that he has worked well with. I lucked

out; my OMS is awesome - I am truly blessed to have found him and

trust him completely. He's in Boise, Idaho & his name is Dr.

, but that's a bit far from NY. Good luck and if you have any

more questions, just ask. You've come to the right place; again,

welcome! ~~~~ Diane (Idaho)

> hey everyone,

> i am new to this group, i am 19 and am having upper, lower, and

genio

> in 4-9

> months.

> everything has been submitted to my insurance company and is

covered

> except for

> the genioplasty, but i am starting to have second thoughts about my

> surgeon.his name

> is dr. peter protzel, in bethpage, ny. he seems like he is very

nice,

> but he says i

> will be wired shut for 6-8 weeks and this makes me really nervous!

i

> dont really know how

> many of these cases he does a year, but he is the one who

recomended

> me to my ortho, dr.

> richard faber, who i think is awesome. i dont know if i should

check

> out other doctors

> elsewhere, or bring my questions up to my ortho... see what he

> thinks. i have heard of other

> doctors that are highly recomended, and are all over the internet.

i

> cant really find anything

> on my surgeon, is it better to go with a surgeon that is more well

> known??? if i decided to

> find a new surgeon is this going to royally screw with my

> insurance???? any advice is

> appreciated......

> katelyn

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Hi Katelyn,

Welcome to the group! As my surgery approached, I many reservations

and concerns regarding my surgery and my surgeon. I would definitely

set up an appt with your orthodontist to discuss your concerns and

questions. I am sure it would be helpful to you because I can't

imagine the input of a professional hurting. I would also go ahead

and have a second consult with another surgeon. A couple months prior

to my surgery, I started having all kinds of insecurity regarding my

surgeon, anywhere from what I would be having done, to which surgeon

was going to do it..... For over a year prior, I was all set to have

a specific surgeon do the surgery on me, then I started to second

guess all of that. Fortunately, I had a wonderful insurance plan at

the time that didn't require referrals and would cover any

specialists appointments that I set up for myself. So, I asked my

ortho (he had referred me to the original surgeon) what other

surgeons he works with and who else he might recommend, I also asked

him if there was a specific reason he had referred me to one surgeon

over another. He said really there wasn't, just that he had worked a

lot in the past with the one I was originially referred to. Anyway,

he gave me the names of two other surgeons... one very new to the

field, another rather experienced. So, I met with both of the 2nd and

3rd recommended surgeons and they assessed my situation and what they

proposed they would do. It can be very bewildering to hear multiple

interpretations of your mouth/jaws and would one guy vs. another guy

thinks you should or should not have done to correct it! This

practially sent me right over the edge! I even went so far as to set

up another consult with the original surgeon (per my ortho's

recommendation) to rediscuss everything he would do now that I was

ready for surgery. So, the new-to-the-field-guy was a definite NO....

he wasn't very discerning or experienced to deal with my assymetry

issues that made my case far from straightforward and cut & dry. The

more experienced guy I really liked. So, I was very torn between the

original guy and that guy. So, I went back to my ortho and had a

heart-to-heart about what to do... and asked him very frankly who he

would go with if it was his mouth,and based on the post-op results

he's observed from the different surgeons. He agreed with my big fat

no to the new guy. He recommended again the original surgeon to me

and that is who I went with ultimately. The point is that even though

I ended back where I started with that same surgeon, I was so much

better informed about him and the whole process and so much more

confident in my decision to go with that surgeon. The second and

third consults provided context and insight to the first surgeon that

really helped me feel so much more sure of my decision to have him do

my surgery. And going through all that trouble helped me feel more

confidently that I made the right decision post-op when problems and

frustrations come up and it is easy to question everything. I never

questioned my surgeon or which surgeon I ultimately chose. The

trouble I put myself through to make sure I felt right about my

decision was totally worth it. I am six-months post op and have never

regretted which surgeon I had do my procedure. Take the time to

research now so that you feel good and right about who you have do

your surgery when you go into the OR on your big day. That confidence

is invaluable. You are putting yourself in their hands and should

definitely feel good about that person and should definitely question

everything ahead of time. It is hard here to read about so many

different cases... you start to pick up that surgeons all over can do

things very differently from eachother with automatically starts lots

of questions about your own surgeons methods. When I had all my

consults, I asked questions about everything.... would I have rigid

fixation vs. wired, how long would I be in the hospital, what would

my post-op care be, how often would I see them post-op to monitor my

recovery, what exactly would they do, etc. etc. THEN, I had the

daunting task of trying to sort it all out in my ever questioning and

skeptical mind! Yikes!

Like you, I tried researching about my surgeon online and actually

didn't find anything about any local OMS surgeons online anywhere...

and I live near a very good medical university!

Before you actually go to the consults, I would confirm that your

insurance will cover the second opinion. They should at least cover

one second consult. I have no idea if which surgeon performs the

surgery would affect your insurance coverage... I wouldn't think so

since it is still your mouth and the necessity that you have the

surgery wouldn't change because who is doing it has changed, and your

insurance coverage would still be the same. The only possible problem

would be if your insurance plan has a system of providers from whom

you have to seek care. If the surgeon isn't on that provider list,

then you may have coverage problems, or be paying out-of-network or

something like that. Before consulting with any of the surgeons, I

made sure they were all providers on my insurance plan. Generally,

that makes the cost of the surgery less expensive as well... I don't

know how the presubmission would affect things because my

plan/insurance company didn't accept prior approval submissions. My

surgery ended up being totally covered, btw. Aside from the cost of

the genio, I paid $60 for 3 copays and that was it!

You can aslo try asking around from people who have had their wisdom

teeth out by a surgeon or things like that. I eliminated a 4th

possible surgeon that way after hearing less than great things about

him.

Personally, I think is is good that the surgeon you have now is

really nice because they are there for your post-op care too... you

want someone who will treat you with consideration and sensitivity.

Having a good rapport is also important in my opinion. I used to work

at a doctors office and one of the doctors said about her own care

that as long as the guy was good, they didn't care how nice he

was.... so I don't know, depends on the individual. I am

ultrasensitive, so I needed a nice guy! :)

Good luck, I feel for you as I had the same anxiety, questions,

concerns before my surgery too- I was actually in an outright panic!

Let us know how everything goes for you! Good luck and welcome again!

And I'm sorry for such a long-winded blathering post!

Katja :)

> hey everyone,

> i am new to this group, i am 19 and am having upper, lower, and

genio

> in 4-9

> months.

> everything has been submitted to my insurance company and is covered

> except for

> the genioplasty, but i am starting to have second thoughts about my

> surgeon.his name

> is dr. peter protzel, in bethpage, ny. he seems like he is very

nice,

> but he says i

> will be wired shut for 6-8 weeks and this makes me really nervous! i

> dont really know how

> many of these cases he does a year, but he is the one who recomended

> me to my ortho, dr.

> richard faber, who i think is awesome. i dont know if i should check

> out other doctors

> elsewhere, or bring my questions up to my ortho... see what he

> thinks. i have heard of other

> doctors that are highly recomended, and are all over the internet. i

> cant really find anything

> on my surgeon, is it better to go with a surgeon that is more well

> known??? if i decided to

> find a new surgeon is this going to royally screw with my

> insurance???? any advice is

> appreciated......

> katelyn

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Diane,

thankyou so much for being so supportive. i really

appreciate the advice. i joined 2 other groups, put

the same blog up two days ago, and have not herd

anything from any of the members.

i know that i am having lefort I, possibly

genioplasty, and a mandibular set back. my os did not

go over the technical names of what the mandibular

surgery is called but he said that there are 2

different ways that it can be done. one way you are

not wired shut, but there is more of a chance of nerve

damage, and the other way you are wired shut but there

is a significantly less chance of nerve damage. being

wired is honestly what scares me the most! i sort of

feel like, if he is not confident enough to do the

riskier surgery, than how good of a surgeon is he? he

has not shown me any pictures of cases that he has

worked on, and iam also wondering about that. i have

an appointment with him, and my orthodontist on monday

the 26th. i am going to try and ask my ortho a few

questions then, maybe ill have to make a seperate

appointment for that.

i am also worried about bringing it up to my parents

that i am having second thoughts about the surgeon,

because it has been such a hassle getting this whole

process started in the first place( about 4 years) due

to changing insurance, and procratination. my mom said

she is confident with the surgeon, but i dont think

she really understands....

anyway, thank you so much again,

katelyn

--- dmd13cyto wrote:

> Hello Katelyn - Welcome to the group! First of all,

> if you are

> having second thoughts about your surgeon, then by

> all means get a

> second and, if needed, a third opinion. This surgery

> is way too

> serious to be done by someone you are having

> problems trusting. All

> surgeons do these surgeries a bit differently; has

> your surgeon

> explained why he feels you need to be wired shut?

> I'm having upper

> (LeFort Maxillary Osteotomy) and lower (BSSO)

> surgeries next June to

> correct my underbite and my surgeon won't be wiring

> me shut, just

> splinting and banding me. Specifically, what

> procedures will you be

> having done? BSSO? LeFort? The only lower procedure

> that actually

> requires wiring a patient shut is the IVRO, or

> Intraoral Vertical

> Ramus Osteotomy, which is only for mandibular

> set-back; the BSSO

> (Bilateral Sagittal Split (Ramus) Osteotomy) is the

> most commonly

> used mandibular procedure because it can be used for

> both mandibular

> advancement and for set-back.// I would suggest that

> you make an

> appointment with your Ortho to talk about this - he

> might be able to

> refer you to another surgeon that he has worked well

> with. I lucked

> out; my OMS is awesome - I am truly blessed to have

> found him and

> trust him completely. He's in Boise, Idaho & his

> name is Dr.

> , but that's a bit far from NY. Good luck and

> if you have any

> more questions, just ask. You've come to the right

> place; again,

> welcome! ~~~~ Diane (Idaho)

> > hey everyone,

> > i am new to this group, i am 19 and am having

> upper, lower, and

> genio

> > in 4-9

> > months.

> > everything has been submitted to my insurance

> company and is

> covered

> > except for

> > the genioplasty, but i am starting to have second

> thoughts about my

> > surgeon.his name

> > is dr. peter protzel, in bethpage, ny. he seems

> like he is very

> nice,

> > but he says i

> > will be wired shut for 6-8 weeks and this makes me

> really nervous!

> i

> > dont really know how

> > many of these cases he does a year, but he is the

> one who

> recomended

> > me to my ortho, dr.

> > richard faber, who i think is awesome. i dont know

> if i should

> check

> > out other doctors

> > elsewhere, or bring my questions up to my ortho...

> see what he

> > thinks. i have heard of other

> > doctors that are highly recomended, and are all

> over the internet.

> i

> > cant really find anything

> > on my surgeon, is it better to go with a surgeon

> that is more well

> > known??? if i decided to

> > find a new surgeon is this going to royally screw

> with my

> > insurance???? any advice is

> > appreciated......

> > katelyn

>

>

>

>

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katja,

thankyou so much for being so supportive. i really

appreciate the advice. i joined 2 other groups, put

the same blog up two days ago, and have not herd

anything from any of the members.

i know that i am having lefort I, possibly

genioplasty, and a mandibular set back. my os did not

go over the technical names of what the mandibular

surgery is called but he said that there are 2

different ways that it can be done. one way you are

not wired shut, but there is more of a chance of nerve

damage, and the other way you are wired shut but there

is a significantly less chance of nerve damage. being

wired is honestly what scares me the most! i sort of

feel like, if he is not confident enough to do the

riskier surgery, than how good of a surgeon is he? he

has not shown me any pictures of cases that he has

worked on, and iam also wondering about that. i have

an appointment with him, and my orthodontist on monday

the 26th. i am going to try and ask my ortho a few

questions then, maybe ill have to make a seperate

appointment for that.

i am also worried about bringing it up to my parents

that i am having second thoughts about the surgeon,

because it has been such a hassle getting this whole

process started in the first place( about 4 years) due

to changing insurance, and procratination. my mom said

she is confident with the surgeon, but i dont think

she really understands....

i am definately going to call my insurance company to

inquire about second opinions. i do have a list of

providers that i can choose from where everything

would be covered except the genio, but if i chose

someone off the list i think they will cover up to

80%. i dont think i could afford to go off the

list.... even though paying 20% is not as bad as some

other stories i have heard.

anyway, thank you so much again,

katelyn

--- katja750 <no_reply > wrote:

> Hi Katelyn,

> Welcome to the group! As my surgery approached, I

> many reservations

> and concerns regarding my surgery and my surgeon. I

> would definitely

> set up an appt with your orthodontist to discuss

> your concerns and

> questions. I am sure it would be helpful to you

> because I can't

> imagine the input of a professional hurting. I would

> also go ahead

> and have a second consult with another surgeon. A

> couple months prior

> to my surgery, I started having all kinds of

> insecurity regarding my

> surgeon, anywhere from what I would be having done,

> to which surgeon

> was going to do it..... For over a year prior, I was

> all set to have

> a specific surgeon do the surgery on me, then I

> started to second

> guess all of that. Fortunately, I had a wonderful

> insurance plan at

> the time that didn't require referrals and would

> cover any

> specialists appointments that I set up for myself.

> So, I asked my

> ortho (he had referred me to the original surgeon)

> what other

> surgeons he works with and who else he might

> recommend, I also asked

> him if there was a specific reason he had referred

> me to one surgeon

> over another. He said really there wasn't, just that

> he had worked a

> lot in the past with the one I was originially

> referred to. Anyway,

> he gave me the names of two other surgeons... one

> very new to the

> field, another rather experienced. So, I met with

> both of the 2nd and

> 3rd recommended surgeons and they assessed my

> situation and what they

> proposed they would do. It can be very bewildering

> to hear multiple

> interpretations of your mouth/jaws and would one guy

> vs. another guy

> thinks you should or should not have done to correct

> it! This

> practially sent me right over the edge! I even went

> so far as to set

> up another consult with the original surgeon (per my

> ortho's

> recommendation) to rediscuss everything he would do

> now that I was

> ready for surgery. So, the new-to-the-field-guy was

> a definite NO....

> he wasn't very discerning or experienced to deal

> with my assymetry

> issues that made my case far from straightforward

> and cut & dry. The

> more experienced guy I really liked. So, I was very

> torn between the

> original guy and that guy. So, I went back to my

> ortho and had a

> heart-to-heart about what to do... and asked him

> very frankly who he

> would go with if it was his mouth,and based on the

> post-op results

> he's observed from the different surgeons. He agreed

> with my big fat

> no to the new guy. He recommended again the original

> surgeon to me

> and that is who I went with ultimately. The point is

> that even though

> I ended back where I started with that same surgeon,

> I was so much

> better informed about him and the whole process and

> so much more

> confident in my decision to go with that surgeon.

> The second and

> third consults provided context and insight to the

> first surgeon that

> really helped me feel so much more sure of my

> decision to have him do

> my surgery. And going through all that trouble

> helped me feel more

> confidently that I made the right decision post-op

> when problems and

> frustrations come up and it is easy to question

> everything. I never

> questioned my surgeon or which surgeon I ultimately

> chose. The

> trouble I put myself through to make sure I felt

> right about my

> decision was totally worth it. I am six-months post

> op and have never

> regretted which surgeon I had do my procedure. Take

> the time to

> research now so that you feel good and right about

> who you have do

> your surgery when you go into the OR on your big

> day. That confidence

> is invaluable. You are putting yourself in their

> hands and should

> definitely feel good about that person and should

> definitely question

> everything ahead of time. It is hard here to read

> about so many

> different cases... you start to pick up that

> surgeons all over can do

> things very differently from eachother with

> automatically starts lots

> of questions about your own surgeons methods. When I

> had all my

> consults, I asked questions about everything....

> would I have rigid

> fixation vs. wired, how long would I be in the

> hospital, what would

> my post-op care be, how often would I see them

> post-op to monitor my

> recovery, what exactly would they do, etc. etc.

> THEN, I had the

> daunting task of trying to sort it all out in my

> ever questioning and

> skeptical mind! Yikes!

>

> Like you, I tried researching about my surgeon

> online and actually

> didn't find anything about any local OMS surgeons

> online anywhere...

> and I live near a very good medical university!

>

> Before you actually go to the consults, I would

> confirm that your

> insurance will cover the second opinion. They should

> at least cover

> one second consult. I have no idea if which surgeon

> performs the

> surgery would affect your insurance coverage... I

> wouldn't think so

> since it is still your mouth and the necessity that

> you have the

> surgery wouldn't change because who is doing it has

> changed, and your

> insurance coverage would still be the same. The only

> possible problem

> would be if your insurance plan has a system of

> providers from whom

> you have to seek care. If the surgeon isn't on that

> provider list,

> then you may have coverage problems, or be paying

> out-of-network or

> something like that. Before consulting with any of

> the surgeons, I

> made sure they were all providers on my insurance

> plan. Generally,

> that makes the cost of the surgery less expensive as

> well... I don't

> know how the presubmission would affect things

> because my

> plan/insurance company didn't accept prior approval

> submissions. My

> surgery ended up being totally covered, btw. Aside

> from the cost of

> the genio, I paid $60 for 3 copays and that was it!

>

> You can aslo try asking around from people who have

> had their wisdom

> teeth out by a surgeon or things like that. I

> eliminated a 4th

> possible surgeon that way after hearing less than

> great things about

> him.

>

> Personally, I think is is good that the surgeon you

> have now is

> really nice because they are there for your post-op

> care too... you

> want someone who will treat you with consideration

> and sensitivity.

> Having a good rapport is also important in my

> opinion. I used to work

> at a doctors office and one of the doctors said

> about her own care

> that as long as the guy was good, they didn't care

> how nice he

> was.... so I don't know, depends on the individual.

> I am

> ultrasensitive, so I needed a nice guy! :)

>

> Good luck, I feel for you as I had the same anxiety,

> questions,

> concerns before my surgery too- I was actually in an

> outright panic!

> Let us know how everything goes for you! Good luck

> and welcome again!

> And I'm sorry for such a long-winded blathering

> post!

> Katja :)

>

>

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Hi Arlene,

First of all, welcome to the board! I am 52, but am still preop. So

I can't share post op experience. There are several here who are in

our age group though, and I am sure they will respond to this. This

is a great site with tons of info. I think you will find it really

helpful. Good luck with your research!

Hugs,

Fran

>

> Hi!

>

> My name is Arlene and I am new to group. I have been in braces now

for

> about 14 months and will be having jaw and chin surgery within 2 to

3

> months. After surgery is healed and I am done with braces I will

have 2

> implants to replace upper second bicuspids which were removed when I

> was a teenager. I am 55 years old and am wondering if there are any

> older members of this group that have gone through the surgery? I am

> concerned about recovery time and healing.

>

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Thank Fran,

I am looking forward to hearing people's stories and gaining information about

what to expect.I am usually pretty cool about stuff like this but this surgery

has me nervous.

Arlene

fran wrote:

Hi Arlene,

First of all, welcome to the board! I am 52, but am still preop. So

I can't share post op experience. There are several here who are in

our age group though, and I am sure they will respond to this. This

is a great site with tons of info. I think you will find it really

helpful. Good luck with your research!

Hugs,

Fran

>

> Hi!

>

> My name is Arlene and I am new to group. I have been in braces now

for

> about 14 months and will be having jaw and chin surgery within 2 to

3

> months. After surgery is healed and I am done with braces I will

have 2

> implants to replace upper second bicuspids which were removed when I

> was a teenager. I am 55 years old and am wondering if there are any

> older members of this group that have gone through the surgery? I am

> concerned about recovery time and healing.

>

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Hi ,

I am also new to group. I am 55 and live in Seattle, WA. I have had my braces

on for 14 months and you will quickly get used to eating with your braces. If

they are hurtling call your orthodontist, the wires might need to be trimmed in

the back. I hope that helps. I am due for surgery in about 3 months. Lower jaw

only, I have been told I will be banded not wired. I also am freaked about

breathing and vomiting. I am going to use anti-anxiety tapes to help me relax

prior to the surgery.

Arlene

denise_gascoigne wrote:

Hi there, my name is and I'm new to the group. I'm 45 years

old, from New Zealand but I live in Hong Kong. I've just had my

upper braces fitted on Friday, 7 October after a lot of consulations

to find the right orthodontist/surgeon. The braces are a little sore

(mostly just uncomfortable) but not as bad as the spacers I had

fitted the week before. I'm due to have the lower braces fitted in

three weeks.

After maybe 1 year to 18 months (I hope) in braces, I will be having

jaw surgery. I'm having all the treatment done in Bangkok as the

facilities are excellent and the fees are a lot less than in Hong

Kong. I'm already a little worried about the procedure, especially

being wired after surgery. I've yet to ask my surgeon about this.

Can anyone tell me, does everyone get wired or just some cases, ie

surgery on lower jaw only doesn't get wired. I'm already a little

claustrophobic and the thought of not being able to breath is

terrifying me, let alone having to vomit through a wired mouth.

Also, I'm having a bit of trouble eating at the moment, any recipes

or suggestions as to what I can get down right now would be great.

The main problem is swallowing, if feels like the braces on the back

are digging into my tongue.

Thanks for your help and I look forward to being a regular on this

site.

Regards

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Hi ,

Not everyone gets wired, but I haven't seen where it is related to

only having the lower jaw surgery. It is a really good question to

ask your OMS. If you don't have an appointment for a while, you

might be able to call the office and see what your OS is planning

for your situation.

I am new to braces too. I am in my 5th week. I was doing well, but

my teeth are definately moving, and that has created some new

friction areas on my lips. I have pretty much been on a semi solid

diet as I have a bite plate to keep me from overclosing (I have an

extremely deep bite), which means my teeth are quite far from

touching when I bite. So chewing is pretty tricky. I have been

staying mostly with rice based dishes or noodles or potato based

dishes with the entree softer too - like spagetti, stroganoff, or

other dishes where the meat or main ingredient doesn't require more

chewing. Nothing chewy whatsoever. But ice cream or yogurt are

good choices. And I have been eating sugarfree pudding. Ambrosia

with small bits of fruit, oatmeal...well, you get the idea! lol

I had a problem with a bit of metal on my braces breaking off, and

it really irritated my lip. I agree about calling your OD to have

it looked at. Hope all is going well for you!

Hugs,

Fran

>

> Hi there, my name is and I'm new to the group. I'm 45

years

> old, from New Zealand but I live in Hong Kong. I've just had my

> upper braces fitted on Friday, 7 October after a lot of

consulations

> to find the right orthodontist/surgeon. The braces are a little

sore

> (mostly just uncomfortable) but not as bad as the spacers I had

> fitted the week before. I'm due to have the lower braces fitted

in

> three weeks.

> After maybe 1 year to 18 months (I hope) in braces, I will be

having

> jaw surgery. I'm having all the treatment done in Bangkok as the

> facilities are excellent and the fees are a lot less than in Hong

> Kong. I'm already a little worried about the procedure,

especially

> being wired after surgery. I've yet to ask my surgeon about

this.

> Can anyone tell me, does everyone get wired or just some cases, ie

> surgery on lower jaw only doesn't get wired. I'm already a little

> claustrophobic and the thought of not being able to breath is

> terrifying me, let alone having to vomit through a wired mouth.

>

> Also, I'm having a bit of trouble eating at the moment, any

recipes

> or suggestions as to what I can get down right now would be

great.

> The main problem is swallowing, if feels like the braces on the

back

> are digging into my tongue.

> Thanks for your help and I look forward to being a regular on this

> site.

> Regards

>

>

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Hi Kim,

Welcome to our group.

You are right, there are varying degrees of RSS. Your son sounds a

lot like mine. He ate OK but not great for at least 8 months. Then it

was like some one flipped a switch and his appetite dropped way off

and he ate very little compared to the very little he was eating to

begin with.

For the time being it might be a good idea to get him as many

calories as you can. Maybe you can switch to a slightly higher

calorie formula when he isn't breast feeding. Also, keep an eye for

night sweats. This is a sign of hypoglycemia. If it is severe, it can

be serious but usually it is not and can be treated by supplementing

his night time diet.

By the way, where do you live. You maybe near some members of this

list. Some one on this list might know of a good doctor in your area.

Anyway, welcome to our group. I hope we can help.

Ken M

:)

>

> Hi my name is Kim I have three sons the youngest is he

is

> 12 weeks and is being followed for suspected RSS. He was born

12/9/05

> at 36 weeks weighing 3#12oz and 16.5 inches long. He has curved

pinky

> fingers which is one of the main reasons they began to suspect it.

> We've been denying that this is the case. Today we went back to our

> geneticist who still says this is RSS. He weighs 7#2oz and is 20.5

> inches long. That seems like a great weight gain and growth to us! I

> guess I'm wondering if there are varying degrees of RSS? He is

> breastfed but we also give bottles of expressed milk with 22 calorie

> formula mixed in. He doesnt have a huge appetite but today because

we

> were away from home he has had 4 bottles of 3oz each which is alot

for

> him. The geneticist said there is no test to give him that we'll

just

> have to watch and see. She's doing a followup u/s on his abdomen and

> kidneys (his first was fine) but she wants to follow him for

something

> to do with his kidneys (tumors?). We see her again at a year. I am

> looking forward to getting to know more about RSS and getting to

know

> more parents dealing with this. Thanks for any BTDT advice or

stories

> you'd be willing to share.

>

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Hi Ken thanks for the info. I live outside Philadelphia. We do have him

on a preemie formula that is 22 calories per oz to help with the weight

gain.

To be honest I think i'm still in denial although its nice to have a

reason behind some of the things i'm seeing. From birth he really had

no hunger

cues. He is getting better at this but at night I still can hardly get

him to eat at all. It is hard to let go of my ideal of nursing only. I

know that isnt the best for him

due to the caloric needs he has. We do about 70% breast and the rest is

bmilk with supplements. I would like to know of knowledgeable drs in my

area.

I know my ped had never heard of this.

Thanks!

Kim

> Hi Kim,

>

> Welcome to our group.

>

> You are right, there are varying degrees of RSS. Your son sounds a

> lot like mine. He ate OK but not great for at least 8 months. Then it

> was like some one flipped a switch and his appetite dropped way off

> and he ate very little compared to the very little he was eating to

> begin with.

>

> For the time being it might be a good idea to get him as many

> calories as you can. Maybe you can switch to a slightly higher

> calorie formula when he isn't breast feeding. Also, keep an eye for

> night sweats. This is a sign of hypoglycemia. If it is severe, it can

> be serious but usually it is not and can be treated by supplementing

> his night time diet.

>

> By the way, where do you live. You maybe near some members of this

> list. Some one on this list might know of a good doctor in your area.

>

> Anyway, welcome to our group. I hope we can help.

>

> Ken M

> :)

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi my name is Kim I have three sons the youngest is he

> is

> > 12 weeks and is being followed for suspected RSS. He was born

> 12/9/05

> > at 36 weeks weighing 3#12oz and 16.5 inches long. He has curved

> pinky

> > fingers which is one of the main reasons they began to suspect it.

> > We've been denying that this is the case. Today we went back to our

> > geneticist who still says this is RSS. He weighs 7#2oz and is 20.5

> > inches long. That seems like a great weight gain and growth to us! I

> > guess I'm wondering if there are varying degrees of RSS? He is

> > breastfed but we also give bottles of expressed milk with 22 calorie

> > formula mixed in. He doesnt have a huge appetite but today because

> we

> > were away from home he has had 4 bottles of 3oz each which is alot

> for

> > him. The geneticist said there is no test to give him that we'll

> just

> > have to watch and see. She's doing a followup u/s on his abdomen and

> > kidneys (his first was fine) but she wants to follow him for

> something

> > to do with his kidneys (tumors?). We see her again at a year. I am

> > looking forward to getting to know more about RSS and getting to

> know

> > more parents dealing with this. Thanks for any BTDT advice or

> stories

> > you'd be willing to share.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for the welcome. I'm in southeast Pa. My pediatrician had never

heard of RSS so I'd love to find a dr with some knowledge of this! ---

In RSS-Support , " kmerrith " wrote:

>

> Hi Kim,

>

> Welcome to our group.

>

> You are right, there are varying degrees of RSS. Your son sounds a

> lot like mine. He ate OK but not great for at least 8 months. Then it

> was like some one flipped a switch and his appetite dropped way off

> and he ate very little compared to the very little he was eating to

> begin with.

>

> For the time being it might be a good idea to get him as many

> calories as you can. Maybe you can switch to a slightly higher

> calorie formula when he isn't breast feeding. Also, keep an eye for

> night sweats. This is a sign of hypoglycemia. If it is severe, it can

> be serious but usually it is not and can be treated by supplementing

> his night time diet.

>

> By the way, where do you live. You maybe near some members of this

> list. Some one on this list might know of a good doctor in your area.

>

> Anyway, welcome to our group. I hope we can help.

>

> Ken M

> :)

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi my name is Kim I have three sons the youngest is he

> is

> > 12 weeks and is being followed for suspected RSS. He was born

> 12/9/05

> > at 36 weeks weighing 3#12oz and 16.5 inches long. He has curved

> pinky

> > fingers which is one of the main reasons they began to suspect it.

> > We've been denying that this is the case. Today we went back to our

> > geneticist who still says this is RSS. He weighs 7#2oz and is 20.5

> > inches long. That seems like a great weight gain and growth to us! I

> > guess I'm wondering if there are varying degrees of RSS? He is

> > breastfed but we also give bottles of expressed milk with 22 calorie

> > formula mixed in. He doesnt have a huge appetite but today because

> we

> > were away from home he has had 4 bottles of 3oz each which is alot

> for

> > him. The geneticist said there is no test to give him that we'll

> just

> > have to watch and see. She's doing a followup u/s on his abdomen and

> > kidneys (his first was fine) but she wants to follow him for

> something

> > to do with his kidneys (tumors?). We see her again at a year. I am

> > looking forward to getting to know more about RSS and getting to

> know

> > more parents dealing with this. Thanks for any BTDT advice or

> stories

> > you'd be willing to share.

> >

>

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Hi Kim,

There are several people on the list in your area. Also you might

want to consider going to NYC to see Dr. Harbison. She has more RSS

patients than any other doctor. Many on this list go to her. They can

provide details.

I live in NH. We go to a Dr. in Boston.

I hope this helps.

Ken M

:)

> > >

> > > Hi my name is Kim I have three sons the youngest is

he

> > is

> > > 12 weeks and is being followed for suspected RSS. He was born

> > 12/9/05

> > > at 36 weeks weighing 3#12oz and 16.5 inches long. He has curved

> > pinky

> > > fingers which is one of the main reasons they began to suspect

it.

> > > We've been denying that this is the case. Today we went back to

our

> > > geneticist who still says this is RSS. He weighs 7#2oz and is

20.5

> > > inches long. That seems like a great weight gain and growth to

us! I

> > > guess I'm wondering if there are varying degrees of RSS? He is

> > > breastfed but we also give bottles of expressed milk with 22

calorie

> > > formula mixed in. He doesnt have a huge appetite but today

because

> > we

> > > were away from home he has had 4 bottles of 3oz each which is

alot

> > for

> > > him. The geneticist said there is no test to give him that

we'll

> > just

> > > have to watch and see. She's doing a followup u/s on his

abdomen and

> > > kidneys (his first was fine) but she wants to follow him for

> > something

> > > to do with his kidneys (tumors?). We see her again at a year. I

am

> > > looking forward to getting to know more about RSS and getting

to

> > know

> > > more parents dealing with this. Thanks for any BTDT advice or

> > stories

> > > you'd be willing to share.

> > >

> >

>

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hi kim and welcome to the group!! i see you said you are in southeast

pa, where and where do you take your son to the drs at? we are in NJ,

we used to use CHOP, we now go to see dr Harbison in NYC. she is the

USA expect for rss and it is more tan worth the trip to NYC to see

her. my son is 5yrs rss, middle child weighs 31lbs & is just over 40 "

tall. he is on GHT. feel free to email me anytime at jlcals2003@

yahoo.com (no space after @) once again welcome!!

jodie c

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Hi Kim,

My name is Lori and I am also new to this group. I give birth to twins in

June my daughter has RSS. They were 36 weeks earlier and she weighed 2 lb 10

oz. Now at 9 months she weights 11 lbs. She drinks 4-6 oz at a time now and

eats high calorie baby food. With her it was a lot a hour feedings with her

only drinking 1 oz. Now I believe I have created an appetite for her by being

aggresive. She has reflux now not bad at all. I think she has a mild form of

RSS. I know she is going to be very small but she has no other health problems.

She randomly sweats but only if she is bundled up with a hat or during feedings

sometimes. I know we are very lucky because she is very healthy just small.

We also have the problem of no doctors knowing what RSS is we've been to a

geneticist and he just confirmed the RSS. It was not a helpful dr appointment.

We are now going to an encronologist. But with her eating well and slowing

gaining it seems like there isn't much the drs will do.

Best of luck with your son. Sounds like he is really gaining great. I would

just say keep doing what your doing because its working.

Lori (Twins- Cole 19 lbs non RSS Chloe 11lbs RSS 9 months)

rddeppy wrote:

Hi my name is Kim I have three sons the youngest is he is

12 weeks and is being followed for suspected RSS. He was born 12/9/05

at 36 weeks weighing 3#12oz and 16.5 inches long. He has curved pinky

fingers which is one of the main reasons they began to suspect it.

We've been denying that this is the case. Today we went back to our

geneticist who still says this is RSS. He weighs 7#2oz and is 20.5

inches long. That seems like a great weight gain and growth to us! I

guess I'm wondering if there are varying degrees of RSS? He is

breastfed but we also give bottles of expressed milk with 22 calorie

formula mixed in. He doesnt have a huge appetite but today because we

were away from home he has had 4 bottles of 3oz each which is alot for

him. The geneticist said there is no test to give him that we'll just

have to watch and see. She's doing a followup u/s on his abdomen and

kidneys (his first was fine) but she wants to follow him for something

to do with his kidneys (tumors?). We see her again at a year. I am

looking forward to getting to know more about RSS and getting to know

more parents dealing with this. Thanks for any BTDT advice or stories

you'd be willing to share.

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Kim,

Welcome to the group! I wish I would have joined when my girls were

your sons age. I have twins: Grace(RSS) and Alivia(non RSS. They

are 3 now. Grace was born at 35 weeks, 3 1/2 lbs, 14 3/4 in. She

had most of the features, but was not diagnoised until after a 1

old. This group is so helpful and caring. You are off to a great

start just by being informed about the syndrome and where to get

help. Make sure you check out the Magic Foundation they are a great

resource. Good Luck!

Terri, mom to twins, 37 mths: Alivia(non RSS) and Grace( RSS, GHT, G-

tube, Periactin, 32in, 21 1/2 lbs)

-- In RSS-Support , " rddeppy " wrote:

>

> Hi my name is Kim I have three sons the youngest is he

is

> 12 weeks and is being followed for suspected RSS. He was born

12/9/05

> at 36 weeks weighing 3#12oz and 16.5 inches long. He has curved

pinky

> fingers which is one of the main reasons they began to suspect it.

> We've been denying that this is the case. Today we went back to our

> geneticist who still says this is RSS. He weighs 7#2oz and is 20.5

> inches long. That seems like a great weight gain and growth to us! I

> guess I'm wondering if there are varying degrees of RSS? He is

> breastfed but we also give bottles of expressed milk with 22 calorie

> formula mixed in. He doesnt have a huge appetite but today because

we

> were away from home he has had 4 bottles of 3oz each which is alot

for

> him. The geneticist said there is no test to give him that we'll

just

> have to watch and see. She's doing a followup u/s on his abdomen and

> kidneys (his first was fine) but she wants to follow him for

something

> to do with his kidneys (tumors?). We see her again at a year. I am

> looking forward to getting to know more about RSS and getting to

know

> more parents dealing with this. Thanks for any BTDT advice or

stories

> you'd be willing to share.

>

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Patti

I've been to the University of Chicago and was very impressed. I saw Dr.

Strek.

>

> Just wondering if any member has been to the University of Chicago for

treatment and are there any members who live in Indiana?

>

> Patti, 59, Indianapolis, IPF 2007

>

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