Re: oxalobacter formigenes

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I may be overriden by a moderator, but I'm relatively certain there are no

issues with cabbage juice begin legal. I think it is advanced, however, and it

would be recommended that you don't introduce it too soon (and watch for

problems when you do). Also, it is usually recommended to dilute juice, at

least early on. It wouldn't be legal to take the bacteria as a supplement, but

naturally in the food it originates from, no problem.

Very interesting about the bacteria.

Ellen

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> Oxalobacter formigenes is a bacteria that lives on cabbage leaves and is

apparently superb at degrading oxalates. I have recently learned of a juicing

method (cabbage, carrot, and apple) that enables the bacteria to colonize colons

(where it currently seems to have little presence in modern adults) and solve

oxalate problems. Since cabbage is a legal food on SCD, would the juicing of

cabbage for the purpose of getting this bacteria to colonize the colon be legal?

I don't want to post more details if oxalobacter formigenes is considered an

illegal bacteria.

> , mom to

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[Guest guest]

Juicing cabbage is certainly legal- in fact, a few months ago there was a

discussion about having cabbage juice every day to help with UC. I am really

curious to learn about this- please explain more! I just had my second kidney

stone so I am always looking for ways to help degrade oxalates!

-Joanna

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> Oxalobacter formigenes is a bacteria that lives on cabbage leaves and is

apparently superb at degrading oxalates. I have recently learned of a juicing

method (cabbage, carrot, and apple) that enables the bacteria to colonize colons

(where it currently seems to have little presence in modern adults) and solve

oxalate problems. Since cabbage is a legal food on SCD, would the juicing of

cabbage for the purpose of getting this bacteria to colonize the colon be legal?

I don't want to post more details if oxalobacter formigenes is considered an

illegal bacteria.

> , mom to

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[Guest guest]

Ok, I think this will be of interest to anyone who has issues with oxalates. It

comes from Tamaro of the K Protocol list. It is a way of getting

oxalobacter formigenes--a bacteria that lives an cabbage leaves and seems to not

exist in the colons of modern adults—to colonize the colon. says that

oxalobacter formigenes is superb at degrading oxalates.

Keeping in mind that on SCD any juice needs to be diluted at least 50%, here is

her method:

" For 4 people, juice 16 carrots, 4 apples, and 1/2 to 1 head cabbage depending

on its size. Do this twice a week, and then on 1 or 2 other days make the juice

but without the cabbage. For most kids the Oxalobacter formigenes should

implant after 2 or 3 rounds, but for kids with very bad dysbiosis it may take

repeated juicing to get the Oxalobacter to implant. "

will be adding oral Epsom salts to her revised protocol (designed for

autism). " The oral Epsom salts flushes oxalate out of the cells; the body

deposits it into the intestines for disposal; and the cabbage bacteria break it

down. " I do not know if the Epsom salts would be necessary for any BTVC

listmates with oxalate issues. I do think the juicing/colonizing would be worth

a try.

I have noticed the recent thread on another list regarding goitrogens and so I

asked if I should avoid this cabbage juice due to being on thyroid

meds. She said I might want to limit mine to once a week. She has not

increased iodide intake in her family (they do take iodide anyway because of the

K protocol) to counteract the goitrogens in the raw cabbage.

Hope this helps somebody.

, mom to

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> Juicing cabbage is certainly legal- in fact, a few months ago there was a

discussion about having cabbage juice every day to help with UC. I am really

curious to learn about this- please explain more! I just had my second kidney

stone so I am always looking for ways to help degrade oxalates!

> -Joanna

[Guest guest]

At 09:34 AM 10/1/2010, you wrote:

Oxalobacter formigenes is a

bacteria that lives on cabbage leaves and is apparently superb at

degrading oxalates. I have recently learned of a juicing method (cabbage,

carrot, and apple) that enables the bacteria to colonize colons (where it

currently seems to have little presence in modern adults) and solve

oxalate problems. Since cabbage is a legal food on SCD, would the juicing

of cabbage for the purpose of getting this bacteria to colonize the colon

be legal? I don't want to post more details if oxalobacter formigenes is

considered an illegal bacteria.

Elaine recommended the cabbage, carrot, and apple juicing, and also

fermented cabbage, aka sauerkraut. Dr. Haas recommended sauerkraut. Since

sauerkraut would have that bacteria in it since it's present on the

cabbage leaves, I'd say it is legal.

—

Marilyn

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