CONFUSED

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I am not too concerned about the pneumonia anymore. The

doctor said he thought it might be a shadow of something or like you said,

scarring from the last pneumonia, so I am starting to feel ok about that.

Its just the other stuff thats driving me batty! LOL!

I will just be so happy to find out definitely what is wrong. I hate not

knowing, and Lord knows....I'm not the most patient person in the world.

I will try to keep hanging

-- [ ] Re: confused

:

You won't know what's wrong until you have all the tests done and you

speak with your doc. I understand how difficult it must be to wait

for that to be done. If it helps at all, I've had Pneumonia before

as well, and for some people it leaves scarring on your lungs. This

may be what is showing up on the x-rays. Just a thought. Again, you

won't know for sure until all the tests are completed.

Hang in there and take care,

--->

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you have Hypogonadism, your testicles can be small, if the problem is

originates at the Pituitary gland. Without a signal to produce Testosterone,

the testicle is likely to be pretty much dormant.

Men with normal size testicles who have some production, with a failing, but

otherwise healthy testicle (likely to be smaller), sometimes find the

healthy testicle shrinks if the dose is too high. Natural production having

been suppressed.

It's a real trial and error, which some doctors use a combination of HCG and

TRT to overcome. HCG stimulates the Pituitary gland, thus encouraging

natural production, whilst the TRT makes up the shortfall.

Nick

> Confused

>

> I posted awhile back that my testes seemed small and even my

> penis and I was told that is what happens if you have

> hypogonadism. Then I just read that using Andgrogel causes

> that, so which is it? Also will taking the supplement ZMA

> help me at all. I just ordered Testosterone Syndrome from

> Amazon today so I know I got some info in the mail.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nick,

Doesn't HCG actually stimulate the testicles as a replacement for LH?

Mark

> TRT to overcome. HCG stimulates the Pituitary gland, thus encouraging

> natural production, whilst the TRT makes up the shortfall.

>

> Nick

>

>

[Guest guest]

Any T med will do this you brain sees the T meds and stops sending the LH

message to your testis to make more T so they stop working and get small. If

you do HCG shots with your TRT they will keep working.

Read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG Update at the bottom of this link.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/

And here is a study on low dose HCG.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Phil

ogarchamplin <gripperm@...> wrote:

I posted awhile back that my testes seemed small and even my penis and

I was told that is what happens if you have hypogonadism. Then I just

read that using Andgrogel causes that, so which is it? Also will

taking the supplement ZMA help me at all. I just ordered Testosterone

Syndrome from Amazon today so I know I got some info in the mail.

[Guest guest]

Yep and a lot of other glands and cells.

Phil

mdw1000 <mdw1000@...> wrote:

Nick,

Doesn't HCG actually stimulate the testicles as a replacement for LH?

Mark

> TRT to overcome. HCG stimulates the Pituitary gland, thus encouraging

> natural production, whilst the TRT makes up the shortfall.

>

> Nick

>

>

[Guest guest]

Malissa, you should join the iodine group and get their input on your thyroid

issues.

Hi, I'm a new member who was recently diagnosed with pappilary thyroid

cancer.

[Guest guest]

<<Hello.. I am just trying to get an answer as to why my posts are not

getting posted.I did not say anything improper or use abusive or foul

language, so why am I being ignored? Thanks for your help.>>

I've been editing the group for a week or so now and I've posted

everything except for one spam (and I banned the spammer, so it

wouldn't have been you

In short I have no idea why your posts have not been getting through.

The one above did, so try it again and feel free to copy my personal

address so I know to look for your email in the list pending folder.

, North Jersey

raharris@...

[Guest guest]

>

> Once again I am a bit lost and would love someone to clarify. I have

> seen posts with opposite opinions and have read up on this subject and

> also get different opinions. Could someone tell me what ALA pulls

ALA chelates mercury and arsenic.

> besides mercury and what DMSA pulls also..

DMSA chelates mercury and lead.

including essential

> minerals?

Chelators do not remove essential minerals to any significant extent.

You can give minerals with chelators and not worry about it.

Also does a urine toxic and elements test give a true

> indication of essential elements9 Calcium, zinc etc )

No.

--

unlike the hair

> test when a child meets the rules?

>

[Guest guest]

regarding confusion & conflicting opinions...when I first joined this

group, I found that Moria's files were the Very Best for " absorbing "

huge amounts of new information. I reread them, browsed them, read

them again...still go back there every so often ....they were

integral to (productive) future " info slams " for me, providing a

foundation of sorts, informationally speaking, to build on & compare

with....especially when weeding thru the " opposite " opinions that

abound.

hoping that made sense

wishing you the very best answers

elizabeth

>

> Once again I am a bit lost and would love someone to clarify. I have

> seen posts with opposite opinions and have read up on this subject

and

> also get different opinions. Could someone tell me what ALA pulls

> besides mercury and what DMSA pulls also.. including essential

> minerals? Also does a urine toxic and elements test give a true

> indication of essential elements9 Calcium, zinc etc ) unlike the hair

> test when a child meets the rules?

>

[Guest guest]

Others answered earlier portions of this reasonably accurately, and I would

suggest using

the files section and the files maintained on Moria's site.

> > Also does a urine toxic and elements test give a true

> > indication of essential elements9 Calcium, zinc etc ) unlike the hair

> > test when a child meets the rules?

No.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Thanks I did read many of the files but saw that there were some tests such as

organic acids test used by people to get an idea if there was a vitamin/mineral

deficiency. Urine toxic and essential elements will not show any true reading

even on toxic metals? I know mercury usually wont show. Wondering about copper.

My sons hair is too fine and slow growing to test again any time soon. Copper

and zinc were 2 of the few that showed up mid range on hair test but I cannot

use this for accurate copper or I can. I need to get the book, I realize all

this info is in there. Thanks

[ ] Re: confused

Others answered earlier portions of this reasonably accurately, and I would

suggest using

the files section and the files maintained on Moria's site.

> > Also does a urine toxic and elements test give a true

> > indication of essential elements9 Calcium, zinc etc ) unlike the hair

> > test when a child meets the rules?

No.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

I'm new also and also my son who just turned 2 has not been formally

diagnosed with Apraxia althou his speech therapist is leaning in

that direction. After reading the Late Talker I felt that It could

not hurt to start giving my son the Proefa. I give him one a day in

the morning. Based on my son's doctors suggestion. I'm now not to

sure if I should be giving him two a day based on what I am

reading. If someone could clarify that It would

be great.

Thanks

Jeannette

>

> I've just joined this group and am very confused about fish oils.

My son isn't diagnosed with anything as of yet but I'm looking for

information on apraxia as his therapist mentioned it and told me

about a book called late talker and about proefa. i went to the

cherub website and read lots of informaiton and ordered proefa here

> http://shopinserviceinc2.goestores.com/ Did I order the wrong

fish oil?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Ellen mom to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellen,

You ordered the right thing...the ProEFA is what you start with and

then you will add the ProEPA and then vitamin E. I am confused about

the Vitamin E, so don't feel bad! I read that the RDA for children

ages 1-3 is 6mg/9IU...but then I read that I can give 200IU, so I

feel there is a big difference there in the amounts. Too much

Vitamin E can do more harm than good, so I need to get this straight

in my own mind before I start DD on it. We are currently on 2 caps

of ProEFA a day and will soon add the 1 ProEPA a day to them.

Hope this helps...

in Ohio

>

> I've just joined this group and am very confused about fish oils.

My son isn't diagnosed with anything as of yet but I'm looking for

information on apraxia as his therapist mentioned it and told me

about a book called late talker and about proefa. i went to the

cherub website and read lots of informaiton and ordered proefa here

> http://shopinserviceinc2.goestores.com/ Did I order the wrong

fish oil?

>

> Thank you,

>

> Ellen mom to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill. My son is the same age as your daughter and we are just now

in the process of getting appointments for therapy with the speech

pathologists and developmental specialists under Birth to Three for

our state. It sounds like your daughter and my son have strikingly

similar characteristics, except that my son has no words yet. He

calls everything " dudn " and even says it in his sleep. Luckily, he

signs about 10 words now and that has helped a lot!!

I noticed that you said that your daughter has " motor issues such as

arm flapping and spinning. " Can you elaborate? My son does a fair

amount of both and he also is quite the clapper. Being a first time

mom who doesn't have a lot of contact with other moms and kids his

age, I don't know what's " normal " toddler behavior regading these

things and what's not.

Thanks!!

-leslie

>

>

> hi, i jsut wanted to say how great this list is to communicate

with others in the same set of circumstances, and i was hoping

someone out there could shed some light on my situation. my 21 month

old daughter has been in speech therapy for about 2 months now

because she is not using words to communicate. she can babble and

verbalize ma ma ma ma da da da but doesn't use it like when she is

looking for either one of us or when she wants our attention. she

also has about 8 other words (some are approximations), but will only

repeat them when said to her. in other words, she won't see an apple

and say " apple " , she will only repeat it if you say it to her. she

also has no way of communicating whether she is hungry or

thirsty...instead she breaks down in a tantrum at certain times in

the day but will snap out of it instantly if i say, " do you want a

drink? " she understands a lot of what i say and follows commands,

although she tends to ignore me sometimes and do whatever she wants.

> the ST has told me that she does not think she has dyspraxia. i

am starting OT also next week b/c of her sensory integration issues

such as feeding aversions, tactile issues, difficulty transitioning,

and motor issues such as arm flapping and spinning. but it seems

like no one either knows or will tell me why she does what she does.

is there a diagnosis for all this? i am starting the process of

getting her in to see a developmental pediatrician, but i hear it

won't be for 3 months til she gets an appt. if anyone has any

insight, i would love to hear it.

> thanks in advance,

> jill

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well I have psoriatic arthritis and don't take pain meds, so it is possible.

But I do take

Cymbalta which is for diabetic nerve pain and depression and an anti seizure

medication

For nerve damage which is in my left foot. I also use a tens unit. I take

6 pills a week.. Started at 4. I have good and bad days as well. Grant it

I cannot work as I have three kids at home still

And days I cant do a whole lot.

Jolene

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>What then

> he said yea i take 5 mtx weekly and i have no symptoms any more, why

> are u in a wheelchair do you not take mtx he ask me, i ask him how

> much folic acid do u take he said i dont, he said i never have any

> problems with it any more , i told him i take 10 mtx weekly and 4

> folic acid daily he was like there must be something else wrong , he

> dosent take any pain meds , i feel like he is lying , i have never met

> anyone who has total recovery from this , i may be totaly wrong ,

How people react to the medication and how severe they are varies widely. It

could easily still be PA for you despite how severe you are. He may be a

good lawyer but that doesn't make him a doctor.

Gareeth

[Guest guest]

:  it's possible that he has a very mild case, though the doctor he went to

sounds a bit wierd!  Everyone's PsA seems to be a little - sometimes a lot -

different; so try not to judge him any more than you would want him to judge

you. 

 

I'm really sorry you're suffering so - hopefully, your MD's nurse will be able

to get you in to see someone sooner.  That is truly good news, though, about

your house.  I guess you can only be grateful for that reprieve and try to take

the rest one day at a time.  Hard when you're in so much pain, I know that; but

there aren't any other good alternatives!  Hang in there . . . ..

 Joanna Hoelscher

[Guest guest]

, everyone's PA is different and everyone reacts differently to the

different meds. It could be that your lawyer is one of the lucky ones

who is in a true medication-induced remission, with absolutely no signs

of PA as long as he is on his meds. Good for him, if so! Wish we

could all be so lucky.

Some people find that a particular med works slowly and for some period

of time. Others find the same med works quickly and may work for them

for many years. Many people find that any one drug combo tends to work

for 6 months to a year. Others may take the same one for 5 or 6 years

before it begins to fail them. The dose that gives almost total relief

for one person may do next to nothing for someone else. Humira is

usually given every 2 weeks, but I have to take it weekly for good

effect and even then I've never had completel absense of either skin or

joint symptoms. And from time to time I have a significant flare that

completely interrupts my life.

Hang in there! Many people here are praying for you. Keep talking -

it helps to get it out and everyone here understands and will help you

cope. best regards, sherry z

[Guest guest]

carolruge@... writes:

> Anyway, I was diagnosed w/breast cancer 9 months ago. Decided to not

> jump on the surgery/chemo/radiation conveyor belt after researching

>

Hi,

I just had an amazing reaction using Pacific Yew tincture and ointment from

herbal remedies for an endometrial condition. I can't say for sure if it was

hyperplasia or cancer itself but whatever it was it was getting worse very

quickly and they wanted to operate. I started using the Yew and it helped

almost

immediately. I suspect that the Yew would help for other female conditions.

Why not give it a try?

[Guest guest]

carolruge@... writes:

> But 3-4 months into the diet I ran across research by Jane Plant, a

> British scientist, (and breast cancer survivor), that really

> implicated dairy in feeding cancer. That and the info from T. Colin

> 's 30 year research (The China Study) stopped me cold.

>

I have been advised that raw dairy is different and doesn't cause cancer.

[Guest guest]

It got rid of my brain tumor!

It is right now helping a patient of mine with terminal leukemia.

It is right now working very well with another patient of mine with stage 4

breast cancer.

It has gotten rid of my teenage son's bone tumor.

It has gotten rid of my father-in-law's prostate cancer.

Etc. Etc.

Johanne

From: carolruge

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:16 PM

Subject: [ ] Confused

Hi all, my first time posting but have been reading the posts for a

few months.I'm amazed at all the information everyone has been able to

accrue on this journey.

Anyway, I was diagnosed w/breast cancer 9 months ago. Decided to not

jump on the surgery/chemo/radiation conveyor belt after researching

for weeks and then months. I became pretty much raw/vegan, lots of

juicing, smoothies (have tried to follow the O. Young PH diet)

and incorporated the Budwig flax seed oil/cottage cheese mixture.

But 3-4 months into the diet I ran across research by Jane Plant, a

British scientist, (and breast cancer survivor), that really

implicated dairy in feeding cancer. That and the info from T. Colin

's 30 year research (The China Study) stopped me cold.

Everything in my diet remained the same except I dropped the cottage

cheese but kept the flax seed and flax oil. Am feeling better with all

the diet changes since the diagnosis than I have in my entire life,

but still have the lump (and it's grown a little, so no time to waste).

Have read quite a bit about Protocell and thought that might be worth

a try, but have found out with further investigation that juicing and

raw foods are a no-no. Along with vit C, E, omega 3's and numerous

other things that raise the voltage or strength of the cells. I was

told by Tony Bell to include animal protein and lay off the raw food.

My head is swimming.

My question is, does Protocel have that good a track record? What are

the thoughts out there? I took a look at their user group and there

doesn't seem to be that much activity.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. I'm just not sure

what to do next. I've felt so good eating the way I have, it's hard to

imagine changing my diet so drastically (once again).

Thanks for your help.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

It definitely is difficult figuring out the best treatment to get rid of

cancer!

As to what diet to use, I would suggest the opposite of what you were

eating before you were diagnosed! I have been a vegetarian raw foodist

for 7 years and developed cancer. So, I have encorporated different

foods as the raw diet worked to get rid of many ailments, but not the

cancer.

I've read Jane Plant's book. And I believe in the Budwig protocol.

Neither diet is going to work for everyone. The best you can do is

research, make wise decisions, and then change your process if it

doesn't work.

Something you need to address with breast cancer is the hormone status.

You can do all the anti-cancer diets in the world, but if you don't

address what's causing the hormone imbalance, then your struggle will be

greater.

ar

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:16:26 -0000, " carolruge "

<carolruge@...> said:

> Hi all, my first time posting but have been reading the posts for a

> few months.I'm amazed at all the information everyone has been able to

> accrue on this journey.

>

> Anyway, I was diagnosed w/breast cancer 9 months ago. Decided to not

> jump on the surgery/chemo/radiation conveyor belt after researching

> for weeks and then months. I became pretty much raw/vegan, lots of

> juicing, smoothies (have tried to follow the O. Young PH diet)

> and incorporated the Budwig flax seed oil/cottage cheese mixture.

>

> But 3-4 months into the diet I ran across research by Jane Plant, a

> British scientist, (and breast cancer survivor), that really

> implicated dairy in feeding cancer. That and the info from T. Colin

> 's 30 year research (The China Study) stopped me cold.

> Everything in my diet remained the same except I dropped the cottage

> cheese but kept the flax seed and flax oil. Am feeling better with all

> the diet changes since the diagnosis than I have in my entire life,

> but still have the lump (and it's grown a little, so no time to waste).

>

> Have read quite a bit about Protocell and thought that might be worth

> a try, but have found out with further investigation that juicing and

> raw foods are a no-no. Along with vit C, E, omega 3's and numerous

> other things that raise the voltage or strength of the cells. I was

> told by Tony Bell to include animal protein and lay off the raw food.

> My head is swimming.

>

> My question is, does Protocel have that good a track record? What are

> the thoughts out there? I took a look at their user group and there

> doesn't seem to be that much activity.

>

> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. I'm just not sure

> what to do next. I've felt so good eating the way I have, it's hard to

> imagine changing my diet so drastically (once again).

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Carol

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is " IT " ? You stated below that " IT " got rid of all these

cancers. Please fill me in, as I am confused as to what you are

referring to. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Me too.

Also that raw dairy contains much more CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) than

cooked milk, which is anti-cancer.

I also recently read that mixing flax oil with cottage cheese takes away all

the " dairy " components of the cottage cheese, but you can also make cottage

cheese from raw milk very easily.

I would also get lots of vitamin D from the sun.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:47 PM, <szukipoo@...> wrote:

> I have been advised that raw dairy is different and doesn't cause cancer.

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol:

Why are juicing and raw foods bad?

~Amber

-------Original Message-------

Have read quite a bit about Protocell and thought that might be worth

a try, but have found out with further investigation that juicing and

raw foods are a no-no.