Re: Re: paleodiet

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Are you talking about the conference this past weekend at Stanford? Or was it at Stanford. I wish I could have gone. I have been struggling for almost 2 1/2 years now. It seems all I eat is rice and vegetables and sometimes a breast of turkey that I cook myself. I am very anemic and so fatigued. I also am a paraplegic T1 T2 which doesn't add any positive thing to my digestive problems. I get diarrhea and then I get a UTI and the Doctors put me on antibiotics and then the whole gambit starts again. Oh woe is me.

I am just feeling sorry for myself today. But it is nice to know others feel that way also.

tootles,

wheels4 Connie <connie@...> wrote:

Hi Lori,The symptoms are being gassy, tired, cranky, but much less obnoxious than with wheat. I'm still eating milk and milk products. Trying to stick to yogurt and buttermilk so at least I have a chance of not getting the lactose. I added oats back in after what I heard at the conference and seem to be fine on that - i.e. no discernable changes and I really like having the fiber. I don't have problems with raw veggies.Arrgh - so much of this seems so subjective and hard to define - how do I know that I'm better or worse from what I'm eating and not from some other thing in my life or just randomly?? It seems so subtle. I don't have a biopsy diagnosis and I'm afraid that after 6 weeks it is too late to get one. I may be getting a patch or two of DH which would make

diagnosis a bit easier perhaps. But I don't have a dermatologist lined up to do that biopsy - any suggestions for that??I did have the samples of cookies, etc at the conference and came to the firm conclusion that if I have eliminated cookies etc from a healthy diet before eliminating wheat, then there really is no good reason to bring them back. It seems to be the sugar and the fat that is not good for me - feeling sluggish and loggy. I'm not sure that it is the bean flours, but the reasoning on the "nourishing traditions" list (or is it the paleodiet list?)is that beans and grains need to be fermented or at least sprouted in order to convert the starches into assimilatable sugars and most baked goods don't use sprouted or fermented grain or beans before being made into flour....I'm just confused.I'm one of the celiacs who has overcompensated for years and I have gotten all my gross nutrients - fat,

carbs, protein and am now fat. Getting rid of the gluten foods fits right in with the Weight Watchers "CORE" program and I have been losing some weight (not the day after all those cookies however!!) I wonder what I might have been like if I had discovered my problem with gluten back in the day...I do like to cook and do know how to do that so much of the paleo and "nourshing traditions" cooking looks very, very familar. Thank you all for listening to my whining!Connie> >Any thoughts on this? > > Hi Connie,> What was the symptom? Are you consuming dairy? Many celiacs don't> tolerate dairy very well, at least until they are healed. I'm so> sensitive, I can't even eat soy cheese if it contains casein. I get way> more symptoms from eating dairy than gluten. IMO, no

one should eat> dairy after the age of 4, but I know there are some who will disagree> with that. To each his own :^)> > Check out www.nomilk.com> > Have you been eating any of those gluten free breads, cookies, etc? I> find I don't tolerate these well at all. I just can't ass-similate (ha> ha) bean flours or any of those gums they use.> > >Also, is there anyone on this list who is > >pursuing the Paleodiet or some form of > >"pre-wheat agriculture" diet? > > I've been going paleo on and off for years, even before I knew about the> celiac thing. I have to admit to a real weakness for chocolate. I also> have a lot of trouble with fiber---too much salad, fruit, etc. is a> dis-ass-ter (ha ha) for me). I have found that the best diet for me is> a modified paleo, with a lot of cooked green

vegetables, meat and eggs,> moderate amounts of rice or potato, occasional salad in the summer (once> or twice a week) and tiny amounts of fruit. No dairy at all.> Chinese-type food seems to sit best with me. > > Check out www.paleodiet.com> > I'm curious > >about that and about how so many of the > >top 10 problem foods are recent > >(evolutionarily speaking) the introduction > >to the human diet or at least to the > >"northern European fogbelt peoples" diet. > Most, I think. Wheat, rye oats and barley are all fairly new, last> 10,000 years or so. Less than that for the far flung corners of> Europe. Corn, soy and rice are even newer, especially to Europeans.> New world plants (the Americas) include corn, tomatoes, potatoes, most> beans, and squash. > > It's been hard

for me because I'm one of those "silent celiacs". The> only symptom I get when I ingest wheat is my ulcer pain comes back. And> that can take days to happen.> > My sister used to be silent, also. But now, she is super sensitive.> > I have been very bad lately and have gone off my diet several times this> year. It's been a bad year for me, with a lot of sickness and a death> in the family, and I admit to being a "comfort" eater. Not good, I> know.> > Lori> > -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~> > "I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say that I> finally won out over it."> ---Elwood P. Dowdeileen

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eileen <eileenshaw5@...> wrote:

Are you talking about the conference this past weekend at Stanford? Or was it at Stanford. I wish I could have gone. I have been struggling for almost 2 1/2 years now. It seems all I eat is rice and vegetables and sometimes a breast of turkey that I cook myself. I am very anemic and so fatigued. I also am a paraplegic T1 T2 which doesn't add any positive thing to my digestive problems. I get diarrhea and then I get a UTI and the Doctors put me on antibiotics and then the whole gambit starts again. Oh woe is me.

I am just feeling sorry for myself today. But it is nice to know others feel that way also.

tootles,

wheels4 Connie <connie@...> wrote:

Hi Lori,The symptoms are being gassy, tired, cranky, but much less obnoxious than with wheat. I'm still eating milk and milk products. Trying to stick to yogurt and buttermilk so at least I have a chance of not getting the lactose. I added oats back in after what I heard at the conference and seem to be fine on that - i.e. no discernable changes and I really like having the fiber. I don't have problems with raw veggies.Arrgh - so much of this seems so subjective and hard to define - how do I know that I'm better or worse from what I'm eating and not from some other thing in my life or just randomly?? It seems so subtle. I don't have a biopsy diagnosis and I'm afraid that after 6 weeks it is too late to get one. I may be getting a patch or two of DH which would make

diagnosis a bit easier perhaps. But I don't have a dermatologist lined up to do that biopsy - any suggestions for that??I did have the samples of cookies, etc at the conference and came to the firm conclusion that if I have eliminated cookies etc from a healthy diet before eliminating wheat, then there really is no good reason to bring them back. It seems to be the sugar and the fat that is not good for me - feeling sluggish and loggy. I'm not sure that it is the bean flours, but the reasoning on the "nourishing traditions" list (or is it the paleodiet list?)is that beans and grains need to be fermented or at least sprouted in order to convert the starches into assimilatable sugars and most baked goods don't use sprouted or fermented grain or beans before being made into flour....I'm just confused.I'm one of the celiacs who has overcompensated for years and I have gotten all my gross nutrients - fat,

carbs, protein and am now fat. Getting rid of the gluten foods fits right in with the Weight Watchers "CORE" program and I have been losing some weight (not the day after all those cookies however!!) I wonder what I might have been like if I had discovered my problem with gluten back in the day...I do like to cook and do know how to do that so much of the paleo and "nourshing traditions" cooking looks very, very familar. Thank you all for listening to my whining!Connie> >Any thoughts on this? > > Hi Connie,> What was the symptom? Are you consuming dairy? Many celiacs don't> tolerate dairy very well, at least until they are healed. I'm so> sensitive, I can't even eat soy cheese if it contains casein. I get way> more symptoms from eating dairy than gluten. IMO, no

one should eat> dairy after the age of 4, but I know there are some who will disagree> with that. To each his own :^)> > Check out www.nomilk.com> > Have you been eating any of those gluten free breads, cookies, etc? I> find I don't tolerate these well at all. I just can't ass-similate (ha> ha) bean flours or any of those gums they use.> > >Also, is there anyone on this list who is > >pursuing the Paleodiet or some form of > >"pre-wheat agriculture" diet? > > I've been going paleo on and off for years, even before I knew about the> celiac thing. I have to admit to a real weakness for chocolate. I also> have a lot of trouble with fiber---too much salad, fruit, etc. is a> dis-ass-ter (ha ha) for me). I have found that the best diet for me is> a modified paleo, with a lot of cooked green

vegetables, meat and eggs,> moderate amounts of rice or potato, occasional salad in the summer (once> or twice a week) and tiny amounts of fruit. No dairy at all.> Chinese-type food seems to sit best with me. > > Check out www.paleodiet.com> > I'm curious > >about that and about how so many of the > >top 10 problem foods are recent > >(evolutionarily speaking) the introduction > >to the human diet or at least to the > >"northern European fogbelt peoples" diet. > Most, I think. Wheat, rye oats and barley are all fairly new, last> 10,000 years or so. Less than that for the far flung corners of> Europe. Corn, soy and rice are even newer, especially to Europeans.> New world plants (the Americas) include corn, tomatoes, potatoes, most> beans, and squash. > > It's been hard

for me because I'm one of those "silent celiacs". The> only symptom I get when I ingest wheat is my ulcer pain comes back. And> that can take days to happen.> > My sister used to be silent, also. But now, she is super sensitive.> > I have been very bad lately and have gone off my diet several times this> year. It's been a bad year for me, with a lot of sickness and a death> in the family, and I admit to being a "comfort" eater. Not good, I> know.> > Lori> > -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~> > "I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say that I> finally won out over it."> ---Elwood P. Dowd

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