Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Its on the homepage of the site. Here's what it has so far for FAQ's: 1) What is the history of EtG testing? The research on urine EtG testing was done in Germany. It is a very minor metabolite of ethyl alcohol and is formed in the liver. It offers the advantage of being present in urine up to 80 hours after alcohol was consumed. Prior to EtG testing, urine ethanol testing was used, which is only detectable for 8-10 hours. Because the nature of diversion programs in Europe do not require abstinence from alcohol, the test's use is limited there. In 2001, Dr. Skipper heard about EtG testing at a WHO conference in Italy and recognized its potential usefulness in monitoring healthcare workers who were under abstinence contracts in the US. The test became commercially available around May 2004 and is now performed at several US laboratories. (2) How did I get a positive test? Where did the alcohol come from if I didn't drink alcohol? Ethyl alcohol is an ingredient in many things besides alcoholic beverages. Termed 'incidental exposure', this includes a multitude of hygiene products (incl. mouthwash, waterless hand gels, hair spray, underarm deodorant, astringents, and perfume) as well as foods (such as flavoring extracts, marinades, salad dressings, dijon mustard, coffee creamers/flavor syrups, some soda, juices, and ice creams). (3) Why isn't 'incidental exposure' problematic for everyone tested? The most probable explanation lies in inter-individual variations in glucuronidation capacity. In other words, some people produce more EtG than others from a given dose of ethanol because they have more of the liver enzyme (known as UGT) activity responsible for producing EtG. This phenomenon is medically described as "polymorphism". (4) How much can this UGT enzyme activity vary from person to person? This remains unstudied for EtG. We do know that for other substances also metabolized by this same enzyme system, specifically acetaminophen, the enzyme activity can vary up to 15-fold. (5) Is anything else besides ethyl alcohol metabolized to EtG? There are three flavoring agents classified by FDA as 'GRAS' (Generally Recognized as Safe) --ethyl formate, ethyl acetate (=ethyl ethanoate), and ethyl butyrate (=ethyl butanoate)--that are all ethyl esters which are all metabolized to ethyl alcohol. While these are very minor additives, it is not known whether they could contribute to a positive EtG. (6) What about 'chocolate liquor'? Chocolate liquor is not ethyl alcohol, but rather the liquid or paste produced when cocoa beans are roasted and it is what gives chocolate its distinct flavor. (7) What are sugar alcohols? Can they cause a positive EtG test? Sugar alcohols are neither sugars nor alcohols. They are polyols, carbs with a structure that partially resembles sugar and partially resembles alcohol. With the Atkins diet craze, you see them listed more and more. The most common ones are sorbitol, mannitol, xylitol, maltitol, lactitol, erythritol, and isomalt. They are slowly and incompletely absorbed from the small intestine into the blood. They are imcompletely absorbed and metabolized by the body, thus contributing fewer cals. (1.3 to 3 cals/gm, compared to 4 cals/gm for sucrose). Lori Having a time of it looking for the database you mentioned...do we have one here yet if so where is it...no problem I can wait!!! thank you for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 , You wrote: > > ... You have a very big heart, and I am sure people will find it helpful, > good for newcomers, and a helpful aide memoir for 'old timers' on the site. Thanks, that's what we're here for. BTW, I added two of Gracia's recently recommended sites, on stopthemadness and the geocities, although I think these are a bit one sided (and commercial), in the sense that only Armour is promoted as an effective treatment. I left off the Optimax site for now, since that is clearly too commercially sponsored for an introductory FAQ. If anyone else has favorite sites that have introductory background information, I would be glad to add those. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Chuck I am a lurker and fairly new. I have a question. I have moderately high cholesterol - and though I know can be due in part to hypo, I also have a very, very strong family history helping to keep it raised. I also use HRT which may or may not be a good thing depending on what study is being done currently! I do not do well on statins - lose megatons of hair and have the vague aches and pains that just won't go away - and which are associated with use of statins. Some cause rashes. So, I bought Benecol Butter (plant sterols and stanols reduce cholesterol) and tolerated that fairly well - though not at first, and decided to add Nature Made Cholest Off, which is also plant sterols and stanols. After only a week, I am having profuse sweating, anxiety and palpitations. So, I began to read to see if I could find the ingredients in this particular brand. I cannot, but I did find an article which listed items which are high in these beneficial plant components and they are nuts, seeds, vegetable oils, ground leaves of some plant and soybean oil (soybean oil having the highest level of beneficial components.) Would soybean oil be a problem because of my thyroid? Though I cannot say for certain it is in this product - SOMETHING is giving me this reaction. Thanks for any info. A __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 That's why I came here, the first sight I was on had to be paid for by Armour. Christy > > > > ... You have a very big heart, and I am sure people will find it helpful, > > good for newcomers, and a helpful aide memoir for 'old timers' on the site. > > Thanks, that's what we're here for. > > BTW, I added two of Gracia's recently recommended sites, on > stopthemadness and the geocities, although I think these are a bit one > sided (and commercial), in the sense that only Armour is promoted as an > effective treatment. I left off the Optimax site for now, since that is > clearly too commercially sponsored for an introductory FAQ. > > If anyone else has favorite sites that have introductory background > information, I would be glad to add those. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Armour dosen't do any marketing that I know of--it is only by word of mouth, drug of choice. Read Hypothyrodism type 2 the Epidemic by Mark Starr MD for history of thyroid treatment. Chuck, Optimox is the only one making high dose iodine. Why would you leave it off? It is really wonderful stuff and I think will earn Abraham and Flechas a nobel prize. there are research references on the site. Iodine used to be used in these doses. Gracia That's why I came here, the first sight I was on had to be paid for by Armour. Christy > > > > ... You have a very big heart, and I am sure people will find it helpful, > > good for newcomers, and a helpful aide memoir for 'old timers' on the site. > > Thanks, that's what we're here for. > > BTW, I added two of Gracia's recently recommended sites, on > stopthemadness and the geocities, although I think these are a bit one > sided (and commercial), in the sense that only Armour is promoted as an > effective treatment. I left off the Optimax site for now, since that is > clearly too commercially sponsored for an introductory FAQ. > > If anyone else has favorite sites that have introductory background > information, I would be glad to add those. > > Chuck > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Gracia, You wrote: > > Armour dosen't do any marketing that I know of--it is only by word of > mouth, drug of choice. Here are the Forest Pharmaceuticals web page advertising Armour and their home page. http://www.armourthyroid.com/faq.html http://www.frx.com/ If you look closely, you'll see they are hiring sales reps. These are folks who deliver samples, literature, and perks to doctors, just like the other pharmaceutical companies. That is where most of their " marketing " is focused, on the doctors. Also, there are lots of pharmacy fronts on the web advertising that they will sell you Armour. > Chuck, Optimox is the only one making high dose iodine. Why would you > leave it off? ... All right, I'll include it with a caveat. As I stated, I don't think it is appropriate for an introduction to the topic. The controversy is too complex for beginners. Most of the peer reviewed literature is flat against it and lists a number of dangers. > ... It is really wonderful stuff and I think will earn Abraham > and Flechas a nobel prize. there are research references on the site. ... None of them in archival literature. We went through their papers before, most of which were on a single unreviewed, self-styled " magazine " on chiropractic. That would be a most unusual source for a Nobel caliber discovery. > ... Iodine used to be used in these doses. ... Yes, to slow down over productive thyroid glands in Grave's disease. High levels of iodine are toxic to a working thyroid. If your thyroid production is already gone, then perhaps these levels won't do any further harm, but the benefit is very doubtful to me. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 well you know, if Armour is marketing with sales reps it's news to me! I only hear of holistic docs using Armour. Usually patients have to beg for it. Having personally used the Iodoral I find it to be incredible stuff. High dose iodine does not work by suppressing thyroid function! Hyperfunctioning thyroid glands are starving for iodine, so it is food for them. Peeps on the iodine list are using Iodoral for breast and thyroid cancer and prevention of cancer. The science is very interesting although I don't understand it too well--stuff about halogens. Gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > Armour dosen't do any marketing that I know of--it is only by word of > mouth, drug of choice. Here are the Forest Pharmaceuticals web page advertising Armour and their home page. http://www.armourthyroid.com/faq.html http://www.frx.com/ If you look closely, you'll see they are hiring sales reps. These are folks who deliver samples, literature, and perks to doctors, just like the other pharmaceutical companies. That is where most of their " marketing " is focused, on the doctors. Also, there are lots of pharmacy fronts on the web advertising that they will sell you Armour. > Chuck, Optimox is the only one making high dose iodine. Why would you > leave it off? ... All right, I'll include it with a caveat. As I stated, I don't think it is appropriate for an introduction to the topic. The controversy is too complex for beginners. Most of the peer reviewed literature is flat against it and lists a number of dangers. > ... It is really wonderful stuff and I think will earn Abraham > and Flechas a nobel prize. there are research references on the site. ... None of them in archival literature. We went through their papers before, most of which were on a single unreviewed, self-styled " magazine " on chiropractic. That would be a most unusual source for a Nobel caliber discovery. > ... Iodine used to be used in these doses. ... Yes, to slow down over productive thyroid glands in Grave's disease. High levels of iodine are toxic to a working thyroid. If your thyroid production is already gone, then perhaps these levels won't do any further harm, but the benefit is very doubtful to me. Chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Well I guess they have to make a living.......Orthodox medicine certainly isn't going to keep Armour in production. Re: Re: FAQ's Gracia, You wrote: > > Armour dosen't do any marketing that I know of--it is only by word of > mouth, drug of choice. Here are the Forest Pharmaceuticals web page advertising Armour and their home page. http://www.armourth <http://www.armourthyroid.com/faq.html> yroid.com/faq.html http://www.frx. <http://www.frx.com/> com/ If you look closely, you'll see they are hiring sales reps. These are folks who deliver samples, literature, and perks to doctors, just like the other pharmaceutical companies. That is where most of their " marketing " is focused, on the doctors. Also, there are lots of pharmacy fronts on the web advertising that they will sell you Armour. > Chuck, Optimox is the only one making high dose iodine. Why would you > leave it off? ... All right, I'll include it with a caveat. As I stated, I don't think it is appropriate for an introduction to the topic. The controversy is too complex for beginners. Most of the peer reviewed literature is flat against it and lists a number of dangers. > ... It is really wonderful stuff and I think will earn Abraham > and Flechas a nobel prize. there are research references on the site. .... None of them in archival literature. We went through their papers before, most of which were on a single unreviewed, self-styled " magazine " on chiropractic. That would be a most unusual source for a Nobel caliber discovery. > ... Iodine used to be used in these doses. ... Yes, to slow down over productive thyroid glands in Grave's disease. High levels of iodine are toxic to a working thyroid. If your thyroid production is already gone, then perhaps these levels won't do any further harm, but the benefit is very doubtful to me. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Gracia do you think taking Lugol's is sufficient? I rub in on my skin or take it in juice? Kerry Re: Re: FAQ's well you know, if Armour is marketing with sales reps it's news to me! I only hear of holistic docs using Armour. Usually patients have to beg for it. Having personally used the Iodoral I find it to be incredible stuff. High dose iodine does not work by suppressing thyroid function! Hyperfunctioning thyroid glands are starving for iodine, so it is food for them. Peeps on the iodine list are using Iodoral for breast and thyroid cancer and prevention of cancer. The science is very interesting although I don't understand it too well--stuff about halogens. Gracia Gracia, You wrote: > > Armour dosen't do any marketing that I know of--it is only by word of > mouth, drug of choice. Here are the Forest Pharmaceuticals web page advertising Armour and their home page. http://www.armourth <http://www.armourthyroid.com/faq.html> yroid.com/faq.html http://www.frx. <http://www.frx.com/> com/ If you look closely, you'll see they are hiring sales reps. These are folks who deliver samples, literature, and perks to doctors, just like the other pharmaceutical companies. That is where most of their " marketing " is focused, on the doctors. Also, there are lots of pharmacy fronts on the web advertising that they will sell you Armour. > Chuck, Optimox is the only one making high dose iodine. Why would you > leave it off? ... All right, I'll include it with a caveat. As I stated, I don't think it is appropriate for an introduction to the topic. The controversy is too complex for beginners. Most of the peer reviewed literature is flat against it and lists a number of dangers. > ... It is really wonderful stuff and I think will earn Abraham > and Flechas a nobel prize. there are research references on the site. .... None of them in archival literature. We went through their papers before, most of which were on a single unreviewed, self-styled " magazine " on chiropractic. That would be a most unusual source for a Nobel caliber discovery. > ... Iodine used to be used in these doses. ... Yes, to slow down over productive thyroid glands in Grave's disease. High levels of iodine are toxic to a working thyroid. If your thyroid production is already gone, then perhaps these levels won't do any further harm, but the benefit is very doubtful to me. Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Gracia, You wrote: > > > well you know, if Armour is marketing with sales reps it's news to me! They have a sales force of 2,800 out of 5,000 employees. Here is a page of sales openings nationwide at Forest. Note that this is just the first of 19 pages of such openings. http://www.frx.com/careers/jobList.aspx They also sell Levothroid, Thyrolar, and Lexapro. > ... High dose iodine does not work by suppressing thyroid function! > Hyperfunctioning thyroid glands are starving for iodine, so it is food > for them. ... The very real suppression of thyroid function by excess iodine is called the Wolff-Chaikoff effect. It has been well known and well documented for over a half century. " Excess " is in the neighborhood of 5 mg per day. The " recommended " maximum is only 2 mg/day, but this is based on the most sensitive people. Others could tolerate quite a bit more. Wolff J, Chaikoff I. Plasma inorganic iodide as a homeostatic regulator of thyroid function. J Biol Chem 174:555–564 (1948). Wolff J, Chaikoff I, Goldberg R, Meier J. The temporary nature of the inhibitory action of excess iodine on organic iodine synthesis in the normal thyroid. Endocrinology 45:504–513 (1949). Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hey Chuck, who's going to win the World Series this year? You know a lot!! Just kidding (although you do know a lot) :0) Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Gracia, You wrote: > > > well you know, if Armour is marketing with sales reps it's news to me! They have a sales force of 2,800 out of 5,000 employees. Here is a page of sales openings nationwide at Forest. Note that this is just the first of 19 pages of such openings. http://www.frx.com/careers/jobList.aspx They also sell Levothroid, Thyrolar, and Lexapro. > ... High dose iodine does not work by suppressing thyroid function! > Hyperfunctioning thyroid glands are starving for iodine, so it is food > for them. ... The very real suppression of thyroid function by excess iodine is called the Wolff-Chaikoff effect. It has been well known and well documented for over a half century. " Excess " is in the neighborhood of 5 mg per day. The " recommended " maximum is only 2 mg/day, but this is based on the most sensitive people. Others could tolerate quite a bit more. Wolff J, Chaikoff I. Plasma inorganic iodide as a homeostatic regulator of thyroid function. J Biol Chem 174:555–564 (1948). Wolff J, Chaikoff I, Goldberg R, Meier J. The temporary nature of the inhibitory action of excess iodine on organic iodine synthesis in the normal thyroid. Endocrinology 45:504–513 (1949). Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 , You wrote: > > > Hey Chuck, who's going to win the World Series this year? ... Do anabolic steroids make you hypoT? I'm not much of a baseball fan, and I don't gamble, at least not with money. But, I definitely wear SOX. Chuck P.S. I lived in Boston almost as long as Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 BHRT is a great thing, and I would be dead/in the nuthouse without it. http://www.womensinternational.com Hormone Solutions by Thierrry Hertoghe MD Gracia Chuck I am a lurker and fairly new. I have a question. I have moderately high cholesterol - and though I know can be due in part to hypo, I also have a very, very strong family history helping to keep it raised. I also use HRT which may or may not be a good thing depending on what study is being done currently! I do not do well on statins - lose megatons of hair and have the vague aches and pains that just won't go away - and which are associated with use of statins. Some cause rashes. So, I bought Benecol Butter (plant sterols and stanols reduce cholesterol) and tolerated that fairly well - though not at first, and decided to add Nature Made Cholest Off, which is also plant sterols and stanols. After only a week, I am having profuse sweating, anxiety and palpitations. So, I began to read to see if I could find the ingredients in this particular brand. I cannot, but I did find an article which listed items which are high in these beneficial plant components and they are nuts, seeds, vegetable oils, ground leaves of some plant and soybean oil (soybean oil having the highest level of beneficial components.) Would soybean oil be a problem because of my thyroid? Though I cannot say for certain it is in this product - SOMETHING is giving me this reaction. Thanks for any info. A __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 yes I know about Wolff-Chaikoff effect. That research is what is in question here. I only have half my thyroid gland, but my experience has been that 50mg iodine/iodide per day was absolutely required for 4 months! plus 240mg Armour. Iodoral had a big effect on my mood. Then last week something shifted and now I am fine on 12.5mg Iodoral. 2-3 months ago I wasn't fine on 12.5mg. I just wish I had gotten Iodoral 35 years ago. Gracia > Gracia, > > You wrote: >> >> >> well you know, if Armour is marketing with sales reps it's news to me! > > They have a sales force of 2,800 out of 5,000 employees. Here is a page > of sales openings nationwide at Forest. Note that this is just the first > of 19 pages of such openings. > > http://www.frx.com/careers/jobList.aspx > > They also sell Levothroid, Thyrolar, and Lexapro. > >> ... High dose iodine does not work by suppressing thyroid function! >> Hyperfunctioning thyroid glands are starving for iodine, so it is food >> for them. ... > > The very real suppression of thyroid function by excess iodine is called > the Wolff-Chaikoff effect. It has been well known and well documented > for over a half century. " Excess " is in the neighborhood of 5 mg per > day. The " recommended " maximum is only 2 mg/day, but this is based on > the most sensitive people. Others could tolerate quite a bit more. > > Wolff J, Chaikoff I. Plasma inorganic iodide as a homeostatic > regulator of thyroid function. J Biol Chem 174:555–564 (1948). > > Wolff J, Chaikoff I, Goldberg R, Meier J. The temporary > nature of the inhibitory action of excess iodine on organic > iodine synthesis in the normal thyroid. Endocrinology > 45:504–513 (1949). > > Chuck > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 oh no Chuck! Diehard Yankees fan here!!! :0) Let's get back to the gland before it gets ugly! :0) Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > > > Hey Chuck, who's going to win the World Series this year? ... Do anabolic steroids make you hypoT? I'm not much of a baseball fan, and I don't gamble, at least not with money. But, I definitely wear SOX. Chuck P.S. I lived in Boston almost as long as Chicago. jessica stanziale __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 well all I know is that is is best to take iodine/iodide combo, which I think Lugols is, and best to get to cell saturation by taking 50mg iodine/iodide for 3-4 months, then maintenance dose of 12.5mg. Gracia Gracia do you think taking Lugol's is sufficient? I rub in on my skin or take it in juice? Kerry -----Original New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups Recent Activity a.. 18New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 Gracia, You wrote: > yes I know about Wolff-Chaikoff effect. That research is what is in > question here. ... I could see where it might be in question for someone with a healthy or close to healthy thyroid, but you are on Armour big time. That means the WC effect doesn't apply to you anyway. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 I tried looking in the files section of the group, but didn't find what I was looking for...we are going for our first evaluation for possibly getting a helmut. Are there questions you asked the Dr. or specialists at the initial head evaluation that would be helpful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Are you going to a helmet provider? I would ask: 1. How many helmets has the provider made? Can you see before and after photos? 2. What type of helmet is it? 3. How often are adjustments done? 4. What are your child's measurements? Does he have plagiocephaly, brachycephaly? 5. At what asymmetry measurement do they recommend treatment? 6. Does your child have torticollis? Can they recommend a physical therapist? 7. How long should your child need to wear the helmet? 8. How many helmets may your child need? 9. How much correction should you expect? 10. Does the provider take your insurance? How much should you expect to pay? Good luck! > > I tried looking in the files section of the group, but didn't find what I was looking for...we are going for our first evaluation for possibly getting a helmut. Are there questions you asked the Dr. or specialists at the initial head evaluation that would be helpful? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Thank you! Some good questions I didn't even think of. > > > > I tried looking in the files section of the group, but didn't find what I was looking for...we are going for our first evaluation for possibly getting a helmut. Are there questions you asked the Dr. or specialists at the initial head evaluation that would be helpful? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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