Thanks for the help

[Guest guest]

We are here for you when you feel able to post, Bruce. Good luck with

your journey and know that you have a support group here for you when

you need it.

Raven

>

> I hibernated again, just now feeling like poking my head out a bit.

> Thanks for all the replys, I will start responding soon.

> This is the toughest time of my life, uncharted territory.

> bruce

>

[Guest guest]

I second what Raven says.

You are welcome here.

Tom

Administrator

>

> I hibernated again, just now feeling like poking my head out a bit.

> Thanks for all the replys, I will start responding soon.

> This is the toughest time of my life, uncharted territory.

> bruce

>

[Guest guest]

I second what Raven says.

You are welcome here.

Tom

Administrator

>

> I hibernated again, just now feeling like poking my head out a bit.

> Thanks for all the replys, I will start responding soon.

> This is the toughest time of my life, uncharted territory.

> bruce

>

[Guest guest]

Tom, miminm, Raven

=========================

Raven

>If isolation aggravates the situation, then do not isolate yourself.

>I am confused as to why someone would NOT want to educate themselves

>about life. Why do you do it?

Regardless of the reasons, I don't have any time to turn things

around.

>I do not like to compare hard life stories, imaginatic, however it

>appears to me -- at least on the surface -- that with your wife

being too ill to work, you cannot indulge yourself as you might

otherwise do in stressful situations.

Its involuntary, been that way all my life.

>You need to generate an increased income at this point in time and

because of this, hibernation -- while certainly enticing -- is

something that needs to be reworked to fit your current situation.

Not possible even without hibernation. Work and me has never been

a good fit. Or even a partial fit. It might be better with knowledge

of

my condition and therapy, but .. no time.

=================================

miminm

>Raven logic applies. give up and failure is chosen. Use the

information you have to rework your situation and you may still fail

but you may come out the victor.

This is my first time operating without a net. Can't help but to

look down. It sucks having a condition which isn't visible. The only

kind of work I excelled at didn't bring in enough money. After 50

years I have enough experience to know my limitations. Sure

I could surprise myself, but my situation requires that I flap my arms

and fly. Not possible. So I've been selling off belongings so we

can travel light. To where, who knows.

=================================

Tom

In a working environment I'm perceived as non-confrontational and

someone who wants to make everyone happy. I make what are usually

interpreted as promises, always with incomplete information. I have

very little ability to assess my skills. End up feeling terrible about

missing deadlines or dropping assignments entirely. Keeping a job

is hard enough, getting a string of massive raises to stay afloat is

not happening.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Bruce wrote: " Regardless of the reasons, I don't have any time to

turn things around. "

If this is what you believe, then it will be so. That being said,

it is never too late to turn anything around if you truly want this

to happen.

Raven wrote: " I do not like to compare hard life stories,

imaginatic, however it appears to me -- at least on the surface --

that with your wife being too ill to work, you cannot indulge

yourself as you might otherwise do in stressful situations.

Bruce wrote: " Its involuntary, been that way all my life. "

You will undoubtedly feel I am unsympathetic to your situation

however what I am reading in your sentence is victimization of

self. Just because something has been one way all your life does

not mean that you do not have the power within you to change

things. And if you are unwilling to change things in your life, you

are voluntarily being complicit in those things that upset you about

your life.

Raven wrote: " You need to generate an increased income at this

point in time and because of this, hibernation -- while certainly

enticing -- is something that needs to be reworked to fit your

current situation.

Bruce wrote: " Not possible even without hibernation. Work and me

has never been a good fit. Or even a partial fit. It might be better

with knowledge of my condition and therapy, but .. no time. "

You have indicated in another post that you are able to travel with

your wife (you are selling off property in order to do so). That

being the case, you are not *unable* to work but rather you are

reluctant to find the right source of income be it investments, be

it self-employment, be it employment.

I would strongly suggest that -- even at your age -- you speak with

an employment or career counsellor and explore your options that are

supportive of the fact that you have Asperger Syndrome.

Raven

[Guest guest]

" Tom

" In a working environment I'm perceived as non-confrontational and

someone who wants to make everyone happy. I make what are usually

interpreted as promises, always with incomplete information. I have

very little ability to assess my skills. End up feeling terrible about

missing deadlines or dropping assignments entirely. Keeping a job

is hard enough, getting a string of massive raises to stay afloat is

not happening.

" Bruce "

Okay. Thanks for the further details. Then what remains is to take a

look at your current finances and reassess and reinvent your standard

of living. Possibly a financial advisor might be a good idea.

You are in between a rock and a hard place but I do not believe your

problems are entirely insurmountable. Selling off your possessions is

one way to make cash, but I think another way is to strech the

dollars you have so that you have extra ones left over to pay off

debts.

I was never as strapped for mony as you are, but I've always lived a

modest life.

-A can of 's vegetable beef soup costs $1.00, can feed you

for two meals AND give you better nutrition than a value meal at

Mcs.

-Creating a menu in which all left overs and perishables are consumed

saves on food wastage.

-Closing doors and closing the vents in disused rooms saves on

heating bills.

-Buying excessive quantities of things (clothes you will need, toilet

paper, non-perishable food items) during sales and liquidation sales

instead of purchasing things when you need them are all simple things

you can do to save money.

-Recharge batteries instead of throwing them away and buying new.

-Cut out cable and satelite TV.

-Look at your phone bills to make sure you are not charged for any

service that you are not using.

-If you terminate any service, remember to get your deposits back.

-Pay off high interest debts first.

-Pay more than just interest on credit card bills.

-Consolidate your credit cards and get rid of ones that charge the

highest rates of interest.

-Consider taking out a small loan to pay off credit card bills.

-Separate needs from wants. Buy only what you need and not what you

want.

-Consider getting a financial advisor.

-If your wife cannot work, seek disability compensation from your

government.

-As a last resort, declar bankruptcy.

It seems overwhelming, but progress can be made.

Tom

[Guest guest]

a bit more info

Over a year ago my wife and I have been preparing for a one way trip to

oblivion when the money is gone.

It is awful and comforting at the same time. This mindset is crushing,

and it feels like it physically changed the structure of my brain in

order to accept it. I don't know if going back is possible. Though I

still buy an occasional lotto ticket just in case. Although we've even

thought out-loud how winning a million might not stop the negative

momentum.

I wasn't super serious about fixing things when I joined this group,

mostly curious. Also hoping for empathy from people who understand.

That is something I thank all of you for.

As far as fixing things, I'm divided. I don't want my last days to be

yet another pointless struggle. I know I need to choose one path only,

since succeeding in a situation like this isn't possible without 100%

effort. Still a work in progress/destruction.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Plase try to focus on the " work in progress " comment you made rather

than " work in destruction " comment. I believe you can succeed in

finding the positive path that works for you because there is still

some optimism in your thought process, Bruce. (((HUGS)))

Raven

>

> a bit more info

> Over a year ago my wife and I have been preparing for a one way

trip to

> oblivion when the money is gone.

> It is awful and comforting at the same time. This mindset is

crushing,

> and it feels like it physically changed the structure of my brain

in

> order to accept it. I don't know if going back is possible. Though

I

> still buy an occasional lotto ticket just in case. Although we've

even

> thought out-loud how winning a million might not stop the negative

> momentum.

> I wasn't super serious about fixing things when I joined this

group,

> mostly curious. Also hoping for empathy from people who understand.

> That is something I thank all of you for.

> As far as fixing things, I'm divided. I don't want my last days to

be

> yet another pointless struggle. I know I need to choose one path

only,

> since succeeding in a situation like this isn't possible without

100%

> effort. Still a work in progress/destruction.

> Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Over a year ago my wife and I have been preparing for a one way

trip to

> oblivion when the money is gone.

> It is awful and comforting at the same time. This mindset is

crushing,

> and it feels like it physically changed the structure of my brain

in

> order to accept it. I don't know if going back is possible. Though

I

> still buy an occasional lotto ticket just in case. Although we've

even

> thought out-loud how winning a million might not stop the negative

> momentum.

> I wasn't super serious about fixing things when I joined this

group,

> mostly curious. Also hoping for empathy from people who understand.

> That is something I thank all of you for.

> As far as fixing things, I'm divided. I don't want my last days to

be

> yet another pointless struggle. I know I need to choose one path

only,

> since succeeding in a situation like this isn't possible without

100%

> effort. Still a work in progress/destruction.

> Bruce

>

well Bruce it is difficult to move you from your problem solving

path. Like you when my ex left I was sort of on " I will live long

enough for my son to reach independance " You are right there is

comfort in that, but also it was terrible. It made life unbearable,

accepting that you have no will to live takes the happiness out of

living. There are beautiful things in the world and they are not

always the people. While I empathise, simply choosing to be beaten

by the world is a bit cowardly. As you say you do have a non-

confrontational approach. I would say I am the same, but I also have

a strong desire to prove myself and make a difference. %0 is a

difficult time to be asked to rise to the occassion. Have you no

family that will be impacted by your choices. Maybe you could give

hope to others that AS is not a death sentence. By you failing you

as us to accept failure. I cannot. If there is ever to be a

paradigm shift in thinking, if we are ever going to evolve into

a " human " people. The people whom really feel empathy are likely in

this group. NT doesn't mean compassionate, or considerate or

empathetic. Everytime I go to a school meeting I am taught that.

Apparently NT is wonderful because it allows lying(to make the liar

feel better) and manipulation, subversion, callousness, disregard and

a whole host of unsavoty ideals (many associated with money

attainment) In my community A teen with AS stabbed another teen.

The AS teen was bullied, abused made fun of. (he snapped) NT people

do it all the time. The outcry from many is lock up those with AS.

Your decision and the decision of others to give up is a decision to

condemn us all.

Yes life is hard and unfair, but we have brains, we must use them for

all the voices that cannot speak.

[Guest guest]

By reaching out to us you asked for fellowship. I would like to belive

that you have felt that. By condemning yourself you say that it is ok

to disregard us. Condemn us and cheapen us. I am not angry with you

nor do I think ill of you but you must not allow societies beliefs of

success and failue be yours. Sure you mourn the loss of more time to

act but you can still act. Change your plan and expectations. If I

had thought the way society had expected me too I would view my son as

not worth the effort. I ignored their pronouncement of doom. (IGNORE

THE DOOMSAYERS) you have value, you touch lives the dr's don't have all

the answers they operate to make themselves feel better(LIARS) they

don't give hope they spread depression. YOU are able to help you, and

us and unborn children. Bruce don't give up on us maybe we can help

you both emotionally and in a practial way. helping you to problem

solve a different way.

[Guest guest]

" Over a year ago my wife and I have been preparing for a one way trip

to oblivion when the money is gone. "

I think life is generally tough for three reasons:

1) Life throws bad situations and tough times at people.

2) People make like tough for other people.

3) We make life tough for ourselves.

Dealing with life's curve balls is tough.

Combatting what other people do to us is a struggle.

But we can make life easier for ourselves as far as #3 goes by not

making bad choices to begin with and correcting our bad choices. It

is never too late to try.

The final correction, once the more concrete aspects of resolving

problems have taken place, is to forgive ourselves for what we've

done and make a fresh, clean start.

Copping out means that you will never know what life could be for

yourselves and what joy you would have experienced if things did get

resolved.

" It is awful and comforting at the same time. This mindset is

crushing, and it feels like it physically changed the structure of my

brain in order to accept it. I don't know if going back is possible.

Though I still buy an occasional lotto ticket just in case. Although

we've even thought out-loud how winning a million might not stop the

negative momentum. "

Buying a lotto ticket is a waste of money. It's staking all your

hopes on one card...literally.

" I wasn't super serious about fixing things when I joined this group,

mostly curious. Also hoping for empathy from people who understand.

That is something I thank all of you for. "

Obviously, from how you dscribe it, you feel you are in a big mess

right now. I do sympathize with you, and I do empathize with you, but

realistically there are only three solutions that I can see if you

want to solve your earthly problems:

1) Find someone who can help you consolidate your debts.

2) Begin to take immediate steps to curtail any sort of behavior

which will only exacerbate the problem.

And most importantly:

3) Seek counseling about your feelings.

The third suggestion seems like a pat answer. I was in your shoes

once. Still am to a degree. Counseling helped me to separate fact

from conjecture. Mountains from molehills. It caused me to see that

some aspects of the problems I had were resolveable. There are

counselors that offer their services for free.

" As far as fixing things, I'm divided. I don't want my last days to be

yet another pointless struggle. I know I need to choose one path only,

since succeeding in a situation like this isn't possible without 100%

effort. Still a work in progress/destruction. "

You need to break everything down into small tasks and tackle them

one at a time. Then you can see that if you have small victories,

there is a possibility of having big ones.

But I will tell you what, if it is not solutions you want, then I

will listen to what you have to say. Perhaps what you want is for

someone to listen to you and hear you.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

AS is not a death sentence. It can be difficult, but there are

solutions for the difficulties and usually some very ingeneous ones.

I personally dislike confrontation too, but have come to realise that

sometimes it is necesarry. I could take all the doom and gloom that

others (professionals etc, doomsayers as mimi so aptly put) and

internalize such, feel helpless and hopeless and I have in the past;

then I realised I could challenge such misconceptions, that I did not

have to take what was being peddled and in fact it was wrong and

despite the fact 'doomsayers' are still out there I don't have to buy

into it - they can believe it if they like - I chose not to.

Of course at times it is not easy especially when faced with a lot of

opposition from 'doomsayers', but really I don't want to give up and

I need to keep going - although occasionally I will withdraw for a

while - not to admit defeat, just to refuel :-)

>

> By reaching out to us you asked for fellowship. I would like to

belive

> that you have felt that. By condemning yourself you say that it is

ok

> to disregard us. Condemn us and cheapen us. I am not angry with

you

> nor do I think ill of you but you must not allow societies beliefs

of

> success and failue be yours. Sure you mourn the loss of more time

to

> act but you can still act. Change your plan and expectations. If

I

> had thought the way society had expected me too I would view my son

as

> not worth the effort. I ignored their pronouncement of doom.

(IGNORE

> THE DOOMSAYERS) you have value, you touch lives the dr's don't have

all

> the answers they operate to make themselves feel better(LIARS) they

> don't give hope they spread depression. YOU are able to help you,

and

> us and unborn children. Bruce don't give up on us maybe we can

help

> you both emotionally and in a practial way. helping you to problem

> solve a different way.

>

[Guest guest]

My current point of view isn't shaped by fear. It's a practical

approach to considering the situation. The numbers don't come close to

adding up. Huge on-going medical bills, and both of us are in poor

health, not to mention the AS.

What disturbs me currently is the effect my posts could have on this

group. It understandably runs counter to everyone's philosophy of

survival at all costs. Whether I make it through this or not, these

discussions carry the risk of weakening someone else's resolve. So I

will either leave or tone down my brooding self absorption.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

My current point of view isn't shaped by fear. It's a practical

approach to considering the situation. The numbers don't come close to

adding up. Huge on-going medical bills, and both of us are in poor

health, not to mention the AS.

What disturbs me currently is the effect my posts could have on this

group. It understandably runs counter to everyone's philosophy of

survival at all costs. Whether I make it through this or not, these

discussions carry the risk of weakening someone else's resolve. So I

will either leave or tone down my brooding self absorption.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

" What disturbs me currently is the effect my posts could have on this

group. It understandably runs counter to everyone's philosophy of

survival at all costs. Whether I make it through this or not, these

discussions carry the risk of weakening someone else's resolve. So I

will either leave or tone down my brooding self absorption. "

Bruce,

If you had joined the group at its very beginning and been with us

all along, you would have come across members (including me) who went

through hard times and slowly muddled through. The philosophy that

this group espouses (empowerment and achievement, respect and

friendship) comes from the successes we have had as the result of

encouragement and support.

I am not going to say that anything you learn here or any of your

experiences here will help you at all, but I do believe that just

knowing there are people to talk to can be a great help.

As for whether or not you will wind up torpedo-ing the morale of this

group, people are responsible for their own emotions, and they are

also responsible for which posts they read. If they do not like your

posts, they can simply avoid reading them.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I personally feel it would be beneficial if you stay :-)

People don't have to always agree, but it does sometimes help to have

another's perspective and input on things.

>

> My current point of view isn't shaped by fear. It's a practical

> approach to considering the situation. The numbers don't come close

to

> adding up. Huge on-going medical bills, and both of us are in poor

> health, not to mention the AS.

>

> What disturbs me currently is the effect my posts could have on

this

> group. It understandably runs counter to everyone's philosophy of

> survival at all costs. Whether I make it through this or not, these

> discussions carry the risk of weakening someone else's resolve. So

I

> will either leave or tone down my brooding self absorption.

> Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

I personally feel it would be beneficial if you stay :-)

People don't have to always agree, but it does sometimes help to have

another's perspective and input on things.

>

> My current point of view isn't shaped by fear. It's a practical

> approach to considering the situation. The numbers don't come close

to

> adding up. Huge on-going medical bills, and both of us are in poor

> health, not to mention the AS.

>

> What disturbs me currently is the effect my posts could have on

this

> group. It understandably runs counter to everyone's philosophy of

> survival at all costs. Whether I make it through this or not, these

> discussions carry the risk of weakening someone else's resolve. So

I

> will either leave or tone down my brooding self absorption.

> Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

It understandably runs counter to everyone's philosophy of

> survival at all costs. Whether I make it through this or not, these

> discussions carry the risk of weakening someone else's resolve. So I

> will either leave or tone down my brooding self absorption.

> Bruce

>

I don't think anyone believes that you should survive at " all costs "

Like others have stated many (not those on the forum) sit on the

sidelines and point fingers (well at me anyway) like the Roosevelt post

those whom do know who they are. So the group is right you cannot stop

us from perservering. We don't really know the situation. Not to be

callous but is your wife condition terminal? If it is please excuse me

I was not aware. In my case, I am excellent at detail but sometimes I

miss that a bus is headed for me. (the obvious) when one is in the

thick of a difficult sitation self absorption is a necessity but should

refrain from becoming an obsession. That is easier said than done.

Perhaps we can distract you. mimi

[Guest guest]

You have the wonderful opportunity to get to your child while he is

still young. Don't feel like a failure if you enlist the help of a

doctor...I wish I hadn't sat on my hands and worried about finding

the best time to get started. Please don't wait until you have all

the information to make you comfortable with chelation, supplements

and such: that time will never come!!!! Feelings of competence will

come only after you start; really.

There are things you can do today. Take a look at the ProSobee to

make sure it doesn't contain soy or another offending protein.

Consider enzymes (I like Houston Nutraceutical chewables). Start

Omega 3 fatty acids. Zinc. Methylcobalamin (mB12). Quality multi-

mineral without copper or iron to start.

Doctors Data offers a hair test that people here can help you

interpret. You do not need a prescription. I think they run about

$100?

http://www.doctorsdata.com/test_info.asp?id=1

Andy's book will offer you written interpretation of that hair test,

but it isn't written for anxious beginners (sorry, Andy!) and not

specifically for children.

People here might jump all over me for this: consider buying Dr.

McCandless's " Children With Starving Brains " , the book by Drs.

Pangborn/Baker or another beginner book that contains info about many

supplements and how they may or may not help your child.

Find that doctor.

Pam

>

> Thanks for the helpful answers. I live on Cape Cod in

Massachusetts. My

> son seems so much younger than most on here and I feel even though

I

> have read almost all the files and info, a bit scared to try to do

this

> all on my own. I do believe that many Dr's just go with the flow

and

> ignore [arent/patients concerns and sometimes welfare. I just

switched

> pediatricians recently. My son received an extra Hep-B shot.. The

> fourth when he was only supposed to have 3 total. After looking

into

> that, I started to realize even before he showed autistic signs,

that I

> didnt want him to have any more vaccines. Luckily we stopped at his

one

> year appointment. He went from being a bubbly babbling loved all

the

> attention and even modeled for Gap and Hasbro( now he wont even

look

> when u call his name forget a camera) to non verbal and tip toe

walking

> and hand flapping. I truly think chelation would help...Are there

any

> supplements anyone could suggest? I know all children seem

different,

> but it seems many of you use alot of the same ones. My son has a

> problem with almost all protiens ( even organic )but does well with

> turkey and penut butter. Soy, beef, eggs he doesnt seem to digest

well.

> He eats tons of food all fresh and organic but is under weight.

Even

> though he is on GFCF and supplemented with Prosobee toddler formula?

>

[Guest guest]

>>My

> son seems so much younger than most on here

I have chelated all four of my kids, all of whom qualified as " on

spectrum " from vaccine injury, altho only my #2 had an official dx.

He was the most severe.

I chelated my kids with ALA. My youngest was 2-1/2 when I started

chelating her.

>>My son received an extra Hep-B shot..

My #2 was autistic from HepB he received in the hospital when he was

born. That is a nasty shot! He was " autistic from birth " because of

that shot.

>>non verbal and tip toe walking

> and hand flapping. I truly think chelation would help...Are there any

> supplements anyone could suggest?

What my son needed for language is written here

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

Toe walking can be a sign of constipation

http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm

Hand flapping, at my house, was caused by B vitamin deficiency and

viruses. I used vitamin C, lysine, OLE, and Virastop to eliminate

viruses.

>>My son has a

> problem with almost all protiens ( even organic )but does well with

> turkey and penut butter. Soy, beef, eggs he doesnt seem to digest well.

Try digestive enzymes. I used HNI with much success

http://www.enzymestuff.com/

http://www.houstonni.com/

> He eats tons of food all fresh and organic but is under weight. Even

> though he is on GFCF and supplemented with Prosobee toddler formula?

Try adding carnitine and extra fats for the weight problem.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Lots of us who have kids older than yours started when our children

were very young. I started interventions for my son before he turned

two. He was nonverbal then. He still is now. But he is much

happier and healthier.

I work with a sympathetic ped who will order tests for me, both the

ones covered by insurance and the ones I need to pay for myself. If

your son is underweight, you may want to consider enzymes. You also

may want to consider an ION panel from Metemetrix Labs, to see where

he stands nutritionally.

There is nothing wrong with having a doctor, or a DAN doctor. The

only problem is relying on them exclusively. In my personal

experience and my experience in reading on these boards for three

years, relying on a doctor exlusively often ends up hurting your

child some more.

There is a file on supplements that will help you understand what

Andy recommends for chelation. The same file talks about common

supps many of us use.

Anita

In , " l.largey " <l.largey@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for the helpful answers. I live on Cape Cod in

Massachusetts. My

> son seems so much younger than most on here and I feel even though

I

> have read almost all the files and info, a bit scared to try to do

this

> all on my own. I do believe that many Dr's just go with the flow

and

> ignore [arent/patients concerns and sometimes welfare. I just

switched

> pediatricians recently. My son received an extra Hep-B shot.. The

> fourth when he was only supposed to have 3 total. After looking

into

> that, I started to realize even before he showed autistic signs,

that I

> didnt want him to have any more vaccines. Luckily we stopped at his

one

> year appointment. He went from being a bubbly babbling loved all

the

> attention and even modeled for Gap and Hasbro( now he wont even

look

> when u call his name forget a camera) to non verbal and tip toe

walking

> and hand flapping. I truly think chelation would help...Are there

any

> supplements anyone could suggest? I know all children seem

different,

> but it seems many of you use alot of the same ones. My son has a

> problem with almost all protiens ( even organic )but does well with

> turkey and penut butter. Soy, beef, eggs he doesnt seem to digest

well.

> He eats tons of food all fresh and organic but is under weight.

Even

> though he is on GFCF and supplemented with Prosobee toddler formula?

>

[Guest guest]

I started intervention with my youngest at 10 months. She started

chelating shortly after her first birthday. It's never too young,

just make sure you have supplements in place first. She is also

allergic to almost all foods but we are seeing slow and steady

progress with the BED and some NAET.

Wyndie

>

> Thanks for the helpful answers. I live on Cape Cod in

Massachusetts. My

> son seems so much younger than most on here and I feel even though

I

> have read almost all the files and info, a bit scared to try to do

this

> all on my own. I do believe that many Dr's just go with the flow

and

> ignore [arent/patients concerns and sometimes welfare. I just

switched

> pediatricians recently. My son received an extra Hep-B shot.. The

> fourth when he was only supposed to have 3 total. After looking

into

> that, I started to realize even before he showed autistic signs,

that I

> didnt want him to have any more vaccines. Luckily we stopped at

his one

> year appointment. He went from being a bubbly babbling loved all

the

> attention and even modeled for Gap and Hasbro( now he wont even

look

> when u call his name forget a camera) to non verbal and tip toe

walking

> and hand flapping. I truly think chelation would help...Are there

any

> supplements anyone could suggest? I know all children seem

different,

> but it seems many of you use alot of the same ones. My son has a

> problem with almost all protiens ( even organic )but does well

with

> turkey and penut butter. Soy, beef, eggs he doesnt seem to digest

well.

> He eats tons of food all fresh and organic but is under weight.

Even

> though he is on GFCF and supplemented with Prosobee toddler

formula?

>

[Guest guest]

I'm chelating my 2 kids, a 8 yr old autistic and 2.3 yr NT son. My

youngest one was not vaccinated except for polio, and yet at 16-18

months started loosing his words, showing some of the symptoms of PDD

(including toe walking, unable to sleep through the night,food

intolerances, aggression). I started chelating him at 18 months after

getting his hair test done(which showed out of the chart toxic

representation. He was so toxic!) we are into our 9th month chelating

him, and I can only say that it has been nothing short of a miracle.

He is a different kid now, talking in 5-6 word sentences, demanding

things, trying to get potty trained. I hear comments from people all

the time that he is just 2 and talking so much! Well we know our

little secret(chelation :-))What a difference it has made!

Unfortunately, I can't say the same about my oldest one. We are still

struggling with him, and can't seem to find answers to many of his

issues.

IMHO based on personal experience with my kids, kids respond better

when they are younger and when the damage by mercury/lead(in our

case) is not that severe. You have the opportunity for reversing all

the issues for your child, when you start early(before the enzymes

stop working, or the endocrine system is messed up).

Madhuri

>

> Thanks for the helpful answers. I live on Cape Cod in

Massachusetts. My

> son seems so much younger than most on here and I feel even though

I

> have read almost all the files and info, a bit scared to try to do

this

> all on my own. I do believe that many Dr's just go with the flow

and

> ignore [arent/patients concerns and sometimes welfare. I just

switched

> pediatricians recently. My son received an extra Hep-B shot.. The

> fourth when he was only supposed to have 3 total. After looking

into

> that, I started to realize even before he showed autistic signs,

that I

> didnt want him to have any more vaccines. Luckily we stopped at his

one

> year appointment. He went from being a bubbly babbling loved all

the

> attention and even modeled for Gap and Hasbro( now he wont even

look

> when u call his name forget a camera) to non verbal and tip toe

walking

> and hand flapping. I truly think chelation would help...Are there

any

> supplements anyone could suggest? I know all children seem

different,

> but it seems many of you use alot of the same ones. My son has a

> problem with almost all protiens ( even organic )but does well with

> turkey and penut butter. Soy, beef, eggs he doesnt seem to digest

well.

> He eats tons of food all fresh and organic but is under weight.

Even

> though he is on GFCF and supplemented with Prosobee toddler formula?

>

[Guest guest]

I wanted to thank the people who responded to my 2 posts about my son's helmet problems. I'm going to be signing off the group now because we have decided to stop using the helmet. Thankfully Wake's asymmetry is down to 8 mm now (we started using the head cup at 4 months when we had 14 mm of asymmetry). I just wish that we had found out about the head cup earlier, as the only improvement we saw was with the head cup.

 

Anyway, I just wanted to share our decision-- it has been a very difficult few weeks for us, but we feel at peace about the early " graduation " .

 

Happy New Year's,