Immune Systems

July 23, 2001

,

just a few things:

Moving away from the mold will help. Even in winter months I air my house

daily by opening windows and/or doors. I also go out side and take the

children or let them run out and play! Fresh air is just plain old good for

you!

I suffer from an auto-immune disorder of Rheumatoid Arthritis. I do not

suffer as much as many do but stress has an effect on all people's health.

Faith in a Higher Power (mine being in the Great I Am, God) It helps.

Others here can tell you more about the homeopathy and remedies as I have

never used them except once for colic and I do have some nerve homeopathic

tablets that I used to take.

Love and Blessings,

Ellen (Native American of the Chicora-Waccamaw Tribe)

Helpmeet to since 12/5/84

MOMY to 10 blessings(1 in Heaven, 1 adopted, 8 at home)

Linden TN

I am secure in my Lord, Jesus Christ! He is my Saviour, my Protector, my

Salvation, my Healer, my Provider, my EVERYTHING!

meharv84@...

July 23, 2001

...mastitis can be really debilitating and once you've had it it

does tend to just come back.... .....Positions (causing the

blockage)...all that stress....its a continual cycle Being an older

baby would feeding lying down work for you ?????? Try and figure

where the blockages are happening and when?????? so you can

conciously work on the stressors that you do have control over...It

needs to be treated with antibiotics, medical or alternative....Can

you afford echinacea and or garlic ?????

Hope that is a little bit usefull for you???

and good luck anyway........

and keep up the breastfeeding,

:-)

maryanne

> Hi there I have a few questions for you all, hopefully you don't

mind. I

> seem to have a problem with my immune system right now(i'm

assuming,

> anyway). We have been under a lot of stress lately which I'm sure

is part

> of it....

>

> I had mastitis about 2 1/2 weeks ago, nasty fever, you know the

> drill....then a couple days after I came down with a cold that I

just got

> over a couple days ago....then yesterday, you guessed it, mastitis

> AGAIN! I feel just awful and run-down. Any ideas to break this

cycle and

> boost my immune system?

>

> We have a major problem with mold in this apartment (we are paying

a

> fortune for it you wouldn't think we would have to worry about

that! we

> are moving next month), and I don't know if that is part of it. I

open the

> windows every day, all day but still grows on the walls,

windowsills etc.

> and keeps coming back with a vengeance. I am guessing this isn't

helping

> matters!

>

> At any rate, I can't afford a classical homeopath right now, there

is just

> no way to swing it....I have avoided allopathic Drs because I

didn't want

> to be put on antibiotics for the mastitis since it won't even

shorten the

> duration and will only impair my immune system further! I do use

> homeopathy at home for acute conditions and although it has helped

somewhat

> with recovery I definitely need to do something about the

underlying

> problem! Both times I have gotten the mastitis it has been on a

weekend

> when dd has skipped a feeding (one day when we were out, the other

during

> the night). I've been nursing for 2 1/2 years straight now and had

> mastitis a few times with her too so it seems I am susceptible. I

do use

> homeopathy to try to limit its course which does help some but in

both

> cases I have had to resort to taking a fever reducer in order to

get any

> sleep/function well enough to care for my children.

>

> It seems like it may definitely be related to stress (we are

currently

> struggling financially, trying to find a new place to live, had to

give up

> our dog a couple days ago because of both of those, etc...).

>

> I do drink a lot of water, I carry a bottle with me

> everywhere. Unfortunately we have to take public transit right now

because

> we don't have a car so we are often exposed to things that way

(though we

> are very good about washing hands right after buses/train rides).

>

> Both of my daughters are doing well, they both caught the cold but

was very

> mild...dh did catch it but it was extremely limited whereas mine

dragged on

> for 2 weeks. I do have some Echinacea/Astralagus but it is made

with

> peppermint oil which isn't compatible with homeopathic

remedies....at least

> in the lower potencies I have available.

>

> Anyway not exactly sure what I'm asking but if anyone has some

suggestions

> as to how I could get healthier again I'd really appreciate it.

I'm

> dreading the winter months because it always gets so much worse

then....I'd

> really appreciate any input. How much can stress affect your

health?

>

> , proud SAHmama of nursling n 2/12/99

> and Hannah Rae, born 2/12/01

> loving & devoted wife to !

> attachment / instinctive parenting, wholistic minded happy family!

>

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July 23, 2001

Hi ,

I'm new to the group and have been only " lurking " since I joined a

month or so ago, but your post on mastitis caught my attention

because I went through about 5 bouts (3 were severe enough that I had

to take antibiotics) of mastitis while I was nursing my first child

(I have two and am currently nursing a 5 month old). Of course, the

stress is probably causing you to weaken, but there may be a couple

of things you can do to help your body. This sounds really mundane,

but are you eating enough and are you eating good food? (fresh

veggies, grains, high quality protein) One key difference between my

condition after having my first and second child was that I was so

much better nourished after the birth of the second. I had terrible

postpartum depression after my first and didn't eat well for nearly 4

months because I lost my appetite. If you are tired a lot, can you

ask some kindhearted friends to cook you meals? Don't be afraid to

ask because people won't know you need help if you don't tell them.

It's a good thing you're moving out of the moldy house. Mold causes

major allergies especially in the winter. I don't know what you can

do about the mold in the walls, but if you have

airconditioning/heating vents, you probably get lots of mold from

there too. You might be able to install HEPA filters in the vents.

Good luck and I hope you feel better soon.

Marita

July 24, 2001

Vitamin C, rest, good eating (greens and veggies). Stay away from things

that require a lot of energy to break down such as meat and diary products.

>From: " maryanne " <maryannev2000@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: immune systems

>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:10:43 -0000

>

>...mastitis can be really debilitating and once you've had it it

>does tend to just come back.... .....Positions (causing the

>blockage)...all that stress....its a continual cycle Being an older

>baby would feeding lying down work for you ?????? Try and figure

>where the blockages are happening and when?????? so you can

>conciously work on the stressors that you do have control over...It

>needs to be treated with antibiotics, medical or alternative....Can

>you afford echinacea and or garlic ?????

>Hope that is a little bit usefull for you???

>and good luck anyway........

>and keep up the breastfeeding,

>

>:-)

>maryanne

>

> > Hi there I have a few questions for you all, hopefully you don't

>mind. I

> > seem to have a problem with my immune system right now(i'm

>assuming,

> > anyway). We have been under a lot of stress lately which I'm sure

>is part

> > of it....

> >

> > I had mastitis about 2 1/2 weeks ago, nasty fever, you know the

> > drill....then a couple days after I came down with a cold that I

>just got

> > over a couple days ago....then yesterday, you guessed it, mastitis

> > AGAIN! I feel just awful and run-down. Any ideas to break this

>cycle and

> > boost my immune system?

> >

> > We have a major problem with mold in this apartment (we are paying

>a

> > fortune for it you wouldn't think we would have to worry about

>that! we

> > are moving next month), and I don't know if that is part of it. I

>open the

> > windows every day, all day but still grows on the walls,

>windowsills etc.

> > and keeps coming back with a vengeance. I am guessing this isn't

>helping

> > matters!

> >

> > At any rate, I can't afford a classical homeopath right now, there

>is just

> > no way to swing it....I have avoided allopathic Drs because I

>didn't want

> > to be put on antibiotics for the mastitis since it won't even

>shorten the

> > duration and will only impair my immune system further! I do use

> > homeopathy at home for acute conditions and although it has helped

>somewhat

> > with recovery I definitely need to do something about the

>underlying

> > problem! Both times I have gotten the mastitis it has been on a

>weekend

> > when dd has skipped a feeding (one day when we were out, the other

>during

> > the night). I've been nursing for 2 1/2 years straight now and had

> > mastitis a few times with her too so it seems I am susceptible. I

>do use

> > homeopathy to try to limit its course which does help some but in

>both

> > cases I have had to resort to taking a fever reducer in order to

>get any

> > sleep/function well enough to care for my children.

> >

> > It seems like it may definitely be related to stress (we are

>currently

> > struggling financially, trying to find a new place to live, had to

>give up

> > our dog a couple days ago because of both of those, etc...).

> >

> > I do drink a lot of water, I carry a bottle with me

> > everywhere. Unfortunately we have to take public transit right now

>because

> > we don't have a car so we are often exposed to things that way

>(though we

> > are very good about washing hands right after buses/train rides).

> >

> > Both of my daughters are doing well, they both caught the cold but

>was very

> > mild...dh did catch it but it was extremely limited whereas mine

>dragged on

> > for 2 weeks. I do have some Echinacea/Astralagus but it is made

>with

> > peppermint oil which isn't compatible with homeopathic

>remedies....at least

> > in the lower potencies I have available.

> >

> > Anyway not exactly sure what I'm asking but if anyone has some

>suggestions

> > as to how I could get healthier again I'd really appreciate it.

>I'm

> > dreading the winter months because it always gets so much worse

>then....I'd

> > really appreciate any input. How much can stress affect your

>health?

> >

> > , proud SAHmama of nursling n 2/12/99

> > and Hannah Rae, born 2/12/01

> > loving & devoted wife to !

> > attachment / instinctive parenting, wholistic minded happy family!

> >

>~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`

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February 11, 2002

In a message dated 2/11/02 5:17:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, tdcc2000@... writes:

Harper, that statement in itself is crazy to me, for if my immune system is working overtime, then in my thinking......as weird as it is.....then I would think we would all be super people! We wouldn't be sick at all! I just don't understand how and why our systems get stuck on overdrive! Then, when we are put on supressive meds, why should we get sick? Oh well.....just one of those "can't win" scenerios!

debby

I'll put this explanation in the first person to avoid problems with pronouns and plurals -- you know, like the nurses who say "WE have a little fever, don't WE?" Here's how I understand the situation. If someone else has a different idea or can word it better, pitch in.

With AIH, my immune system is attacking my liver, far too efficiently. My immune system somehow thinks that my liver belongs to someone else; it sees my liver as being an invader. I must temporarily disable my immune system so it won't destroy my liver, which is a part I can't do without. I do this by taking Imuran (aziothioprine.) I assume CellCept has the same properties, as it's used by people who have had organ transplants.

The trade-off is that with the desirably weak immune system I have fewer defenses against the bacteria and viruses and such that everyone encounters. For example, I'm having a problem with thrush, which results from a fungus that is ubiquitous and no problem at all to adults with ordinary immune systems. If someday I were to have a liver transplant, I'd need to suppress my immune system even further to keep my body from kicking out the new liver.

So, that's why we want to have badly-functioning immune systems and why we have to keep washing our hands a lot!

Harper (AIH dx 5/00)

February 12, 2002

Bravo!! LOL Well done Harper..... " We " are very pleased with your explanation.

Don't you just love it when people (well meaning people) tell you they read

this or that or you should try this or that to IMPROVE the immune system. It

is a very hard concept to understand, even for those of us that have no

choice but to muddle through it all as best we can. No one should feel bad

about having a hard time grasping it all, I often get the feeling that the

doctors treating us don't grasp it all either!

Peggy

February 12, 2002

In a message dated 2/12/02 8:43:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, PWGBreeze@... writes:

Don't you just love it when people (well meaning people) tell you they read this or that or you should try this or that to IMPROVE the immune system. It is a very hard concept to understand, even for those of us that have no choice but to muddle through it all as best we can. No one should feel bad about having a hard time grasping it all, I often get the feeling that the doctors treating us don't grasp it all either! Peggy

I certainly didn't know any of this when I developed AIH, and it took me a long time to learn it. So, I'm not surprised that people outside AIH don't know. Harper

February 12, 2002

Yes Harper....that makes much more sense and is a good piece to copy and give to others who don't understand! For me, my body thinks it is being invaded by a foreign body!!! My entire immune system was in such overdrive....my skin pigmentation left. Now, with the drugs for my liver, I am finding that my skin color is returning! Interesting...at least my dermatologist thought so. It also is helping with my gut problem and helping me to get the nutrients that go along with celiac sprue. I also don't have to take massive doses of dapsone to control the skin lesions-although the gluten free diet has controlled that too, but occasionally there is a breakthrough from something I ate that has gluten in it!

On the whole, I am blessed to have gotten some meds to help with the liver. But still wonder if this system will ever be normal again!

debby

Re: [ ] Re: Immune systems

In a message dated 2/11/02 5:17:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, tdcc2000@... writes:

Harper, that statement in itself is crazy to me, for if my immune system is working overtime, then in my thinking......as weird as it is.....then I would think we would all be super people! We wouldn't be sick at all! I just don't understand how and why our systems get stuck on overdrive! Then, when we are put on supressive meds, why should we get sick? Oh well.....just one of those "can't win" scenerios! debby I'll put this explanation in the first person to avoid problems with pronouns and plurals -- you know, like the nurses who say "WE have a little fever, don't WE?" Here's how I understand the situation. If someone else has a different idea or can word it better, pitch in. With AIH, my immune system is attacking my liver, far too efficiently. My immune system somehow thinks that my liver belongs to someone else; it sees my liver as being an invader. I must temporarily disable my immune system so it won't destroy my liver, which is a part I can't do without. I do this by taking Imuran (aziothioprine.) I assume CellCept has the same properties, as it's used by people who have had organ transplants. The trade-off is that with the desirably weak immune system I have fewer defenses against the bacteria and viruses and such that everyone encounters. For example, I'm having a problem with thrush, which results from a fungus that is ubiquitous and no problem at all to adults with ordinary immune systems. If someday I were to have a liver transplant, I'd need to suppress my immune system even further to keep my body from kicking out the new liver. So, that's why we want to have badly-functioning immune systems and why we have to keep washing our hands a lot! Harper (AIH dx 5/00)

February 12, 2002

harper, I agree.well said (about the immunosuppressant) . on another note, I HATE WHEN ANYONE USES THE TERM 'WE' ...how was 'our' lunch? I always say, I don't know, mine was ----, how was yours? I get the strangest looks!

Patty

-----Original Message-----From: flatcat9@... [mailto:flatcat9@...]Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Immune systemsIn a message dated 2/11/02 5:17:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, tdcc2000@... writes:

Harper, that statement in itself is crazy to me, for if my immune system is working overtime, then in my thinking......as weird as it is.....then I would think we would all be super people! We wouldn't be sick at all! I just don't understand how and why our systems get stuck on overdrive! Then, when we are put on supressive meds, why should we get sick? Oh well.....just one of those "can't win" scenerios! debby I'll put this explanation in the first person to avoid problems with pronouns and plurals -- you know, like the nurses who say "WE have a little fever, don't WE?" Here's how I understand the situation. If someone else has a different idea or can word it better, pitch in. With AIH, my immune system is attacking my liver, far too efficiently. My immune system somehow thinks that my liver belongs to someone else; it sees my liver as being an invader. I must temporarily disable my immune system so it won't destroy my liver, which is a part I can't do without. I do this by taking Imuran (aziothioprine.) I assume CellCept has the same properties, as it's used by people who have had organ transplants. The trade-off is that with the desirably weak immune system I have fewer defenses against the bacteria and viruses and such that everyone encounters. For example, I'm having a problem with thrush, which results from a fungus that is ubiquitous and no problem at all to adults with ordinary immune systems. If someday I were to have a liver transplant, I'd need to suppress my immune system even further to keep my body from kicking out the new liver. So, that's why we want to have badly-functioning immune systems and why we have to keep washing our hands a lot! Harper (AIH dx 5/00)

August 16, 2002

In a message dated 8/16/02 12:47:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

KVanRyzin@... writes:

> I think for his lack of good sleep sometimes compromises his immune

> system. That along with his total disregard for good hygiene. I think he

> gets

> more colds because of this but not much sicker other than when something

> else

> is off in his body (i.e. following heart surgery, when thyroid was low).

>

> Karyn

>

Yes Karyn, and lack of good nutrition would do that too. Duff's asst's

wife is pg with their second and has low bp and was just told she's anemic.

She's having fainting spells. Duff's convinced it's because the girl just

doesn't eat....and when she does it's always pizza, cheesesteaks,

hoagies...some kind of take out. She's one of those types who at 9 months

pg, looks like she's 5!!!! I told Duff to tell to take her to a

nutritionist and have a meal plan drawn up for her so it'd be easy to

follow...some people just have no clue how to eat healthy on their own.

Donna

August 16, 2002

In a message dated 8/16/2002 1:55:20 PM Central Daylight Time,

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