Re: Re: Trader Joe's and mis-labeled foods

[Guest guest]

Surely a ceramic vessel can be made GF by washing, unless it is textured in some unusual way. Otherwise china cups and bowls would be hazardous to us! They are "ceramic vessels". Perhaps the quote refers to some kind of special kind of ceramic that is used in food processing, one that I don't know about.

H.

In a message dated 9/6/07 8:07:01 PM, isaiah.benjamin@... writes:

Stainless steel is non-porous, so anything that removes residue (soap and water, for instance) should remove. Silicone is another material that is non-porous. The issue of what dissolves gluten is not relevant if the stainless steel is being adequately cleaned, as the molecules don't need to be broken down - They only need to be washed away. (as opposed to a wooden or plastic or stone or ceramic vessel).

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[Guest guest]

I’ve always heard/read that

stainless steel is 100% safe when washed with plain soap & water. All the

books, sites, etc., speak of replacing wood & toasters, but stainless steel

being completely safe.

Did I miss some new information?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of celiacinfo2006

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007

12:50 PM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Trader Joe's and mis-labeled foods

I am not very trusting of TJ's labeling after ending

up with $13,000

worth of hospital bills after making a trail mix out of their GF Nuts

(and processing lines NOT supposedly shared with wheat products). The

nuts were on their GF list and the packaging did not indicate they are

packaged or processed in a place that also does wheat products. I even

had them call their buyer to confirm they were GF. But, unfortunately,

they made me ill and my gluten sensitivity has landed me in the

hospital emergency room many times and so did eating their nuts. I am

just saying this was my experience and may not be yours. I would use

prudence and caution with some of TJ's GF listed products. Also, my

understanding is that heat, water, soap does not remove the gluten

protein molecules only an alcohol based cleaner breaks the molecule

down. Does someone know differently?

[Guest guest]

Stainless steel is non-porous, so anything that removes residue (soap and water, for instance) should remove. Silicone is another material that is non-porous. The issue of what dissolves gluten is not relevant if the stainless steel is being adequately cleaned, as the molecules don't need to be broken down - They only need to be washed away. (as opposed to a wooden or plastic or stone or ceramic vessel).

On 9/6/07, Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan <lillythdenaghykeogh@...> wrote:

I've always heard/read that

stainless steel is 100% safe when washed with plain soap & water. All the

books, sites, etc., speak of replacing wood & toasters, but stainless steel

being completely safe.

Did I miss some new information?

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of celiacinfo2006

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007

12:50 PM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Trader Joe's and mis-labeled foods

I am not very trusting of TJ's labeling after ending

up with $13,000

worth of hospital bills after making a trail mix out of their GF Nuts

(and processing lines NOT supposedly shared with wheat products). The

nuts were on their GF list and the packaging did not indicate they are

packaged or processed in a place that also does wheat products. I even

had them call their buyer to confirm they were GF. But, unfortunately,

they made me ill and my gluten sensitivity has landed me in the

hospital emergency room many times and so did eating their nuts. I am

just saying this was my experience and may not be yours. I would use

prudence and caution with some of TJ's GF listed products. Also, my

understanding is that heat, water, soap does not remove the gluten

protein molecules only an alcohol based cleaner breaks the molecule

down. Does someone know differently?

-- Gluten-Free Bayhttp://glutenfreebay.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

I do know that the owner of Kennedy’s

told me that we cannot ever eat any Tandoori, because of the porous ness of the

clay pot.

So my guess is, stuff like that…

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of flatcat9@...

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007

8:18 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re:

Trader Joe's and mis-labeled foods

Surely a ceramic vessel

can be made GF by washing, unless it is textured in some unusual way. Otherwise

china cups and bowls would be hazardous to us! They are " ceramic

vessels " . Perhaps the quote refers to some kind of special kind of

ceramic that is used in food processing, one that I don't know about.

H.

In a message dated 9/6/07 8:07:01 PM, isaiah.benjamingmail writes:

Stainless steel is

non-porous, so anything that removes residue (soap and water, for instance)

should remove. Silicone is another material that is non-porous. The issue of

what dissolves gluten is not relevant if the stainless steel is being

adequately cleaned, as the molecules don't need to be broken down - They only

need to be washed away. (as opposed to a wooden or plastic or stone or ceramic

vessel).

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[Guest guest]

whoa. well, glad I didn't send my hurrah email yet... I was going to

because I drank the whole carton of rice milk yesterday and I didn't

get sick. so I am one more data point, but it seems for some of us it

just isn't worth taking any chances. at least for me, " any chances "

meaning other than a waitress at a fairly nice restaurant being

completely wrong or some bizarre cross-contamination.

I have to ask... $13,000 in emergency room bills? As I said I

consider myself ultra-sensitive, but that sounds like a peanut allergy

or anaphylactic shock type situation and I've never heard of that with

gluten intolerance. What have they done for you at the emergency

room?

Naren

On 9/6/07, flatcat9@... <flatcat9@...> wrote:

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> Surely a ceramic vessel can be made GF by washing, unless it is textured in

> some unusual way. Otherwise china cups and bowls would be hazardous to us!

> They are " ceramic vessels " . Perhaps the quote refers to some kind of

> special kind of ceramic that is used in food processing, one that I don't

> know about.

> H.

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> In a message dated 9/6/07 8:07:01 PM, isaiah.benjamin@... writes:

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> Stainless steel is non-porous, so anything that removes residue (soap and

> water, for instance) should remove. Silicone is another material that is

> non-porous. The issue of what dissolves gluten is not relevant if the

> stainless steel is being adequately cleaned, as the molecules don't need to

> be broken down - They only need to be washed away. (as opposed to a wooden

> or plastic or stone or ceramic vessel).

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[Guest guest]

I was mistaken in the meaning of "ceramic." I had always thought the term was equivalent to "porcelain". Not so -- it means, more or less, "made from clay." Even a brick would be "ceramic." And a brick certainly could soak up gluten!

I apologize for not checking the definition. I've learned something.

H.

In a message dated 9/6/07 9:11:50 PM, lillythdenaghykeogh@... writes:

I do know that the owner of Kennedy’s told me that we cannot ever eat any Tandoori, because of the porous ness of the clay pot.

So my guess is, stuff like that…

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