Re: Auto-immune diseases

[Guest guest]

I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.

Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it "simply" shows up in different organs in different people.

H.

In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBear@... writes:

I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face

multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune

problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our

immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other

problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!

Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My

guess is that there will be more research into these things as time

goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early

stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more

to learn.

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[Guest guest]

I sat in a room with a bunch of academic immunologists

at Stanford one day, one of whom was a Nobel laureate,

and they were in fact of that opinion and conducting

research to find that one connection. They felt that

if they could find the thing that starts the

autoimmune response to malfunction, they could develop

a treatment that would treat all autoimmune diseases.

They felt they were close. Of course, that was over

10 years ago and I haven't heard about any

breakthroughs!

--- erinubear2 <UBear@...> wrote:

> Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be

> connected. My

> guess is that there will be more research into these

> things as time

> goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is

> still in the early

> stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think

> there is much more

> to learn.

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I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly high.

There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory. Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come across them I'll send them.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of flatcat9@...Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it "simply" shows up in different organs in different people.H.In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBear@... writes:

I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and facemultiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immuneproblems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once ourimmune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for otherproblems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. Myguess is that there will be more research into these things as timegoes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the earlystages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much moreto learn.**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

[Guest guest]

It really makes me wonder – the whole

AD debate.

My other AD is endometriosis (endo for

short) and I’ve had symptoms of it since starting my period at age nine.

There have been studies done on

environmental links to endo, and it makes me wonder, if I hadn’t spent

20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to my body & didn’t

allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo would have gotten as bad as

it did.

Unfortunately, that is something we will

never know, but it still makes be wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured

out the whole CD thing, but I was damn close.

I wonder if the scientists will ever

answer this one – it sorta seems like the chicken/egg debate if you ask

me…

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29

AM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Auto-immune diseases

I don't have the research papers to hand -

but they are easy to find on a google search. The research shows (if I

remember correctly) that the likelihood of the emergence of a second

auto-immune disease in people with celiac disease is directly proportional to

the age of diagnosis of celiac disease and that, if celiac disease is not

diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine was about 40) the prevalence of a second

auto-immune disease is incredibly high.

There are two theories of causality -

one discusses whether celiac disease causes the other auto-immune

diseases. The other discusses whether the breakdown of the intestinal

barrier function allows triggers to enter the system - and thus cause the other

diseases. Please, don't flame me if I have mis-quoted these two

papers. I am recalling from memory. Please look them up if you want

to read the exact medical jargon - I am not hung up on whether I use the right

technical jargon to descrbie the condition but i am pretty certain I am

relaying the sense of these papers - if I come across them I'll send them.

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of flatcat9aol

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11

AM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Auto-immune diseases

I can't remember the

statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common.

I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.

Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply "

shows up in different organs in different people.

H.

In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes:

I know a number of

friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face

multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune

problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our

immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other

problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!

Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My

guess is that there will be more research into these things as time

goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early

stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more

to learn.

**************

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree about the ‘environmental’

links that can be weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why

wee see more food allergies especially with young children…..This is also

why I want to advise everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is

going to happen over the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please

get involved to fight this.

For those that are not aware….

The California Department of Food and

Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to spray the San Francisco Bay Area

starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5 years or indefinitely until the

moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz and Monterey

counties using a synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in

microscopic plastic capsules.

• Hundreds

of people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County

have reported adverse health reactions. The spray has not been tested for

long-term human toxicity and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules

that could pose inhalation risks.

• The

spray contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as

surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the

drowning of hundreds of waterfowl.

• Biologists

agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control

method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs.

an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply,

e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps.

• CDFA

itself says the moth has done no crop damage in California to date. Priority must be given

to public and environmental health and safety over speculative economic loss.

• The

aerial spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the

population, including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical

sensitivity,

It is on my mind all the time and has

really got me freaked out, and very angry. I have a family with multiple

allergies and also my son (6) has asthma. I am so scared to think about

the potential/eminent health risks to me and my family. This is a very disconcerting

situation.

What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION

• Sign

the petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and become

active!

• Write

letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your

voice!

• Ask

your city council to follow the example of Albany and pass a resolution against the

spraying.

• Ask

Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program

and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control.

• Ask

your Assemblymembers to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without

consent and to do whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can

be passed.

• Ask

your federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine

of CA crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of

safe pest control methods.

• Tell

CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on

organic produce!

Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I

am about being a guinea pig for these chemicals - help fight this.

See the following websites and blogs for

more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT.

http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htm

http://www.stopthespray.org/

Eileen Groff

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47

AM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Auto-immune diseases

It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate.

My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had

symptoms of it since starting my period at age nine.

There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it

makes me wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were

harmful to my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients

if my endo would have gotten as bad as it did.

Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still

makes be wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD

thing, but I was damn close.

I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it

sorta seems like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me…

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29

AM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Auto-immune diseases

I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to

find on a google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly)

that the likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people

with celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac

disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine

was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly high.

There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether

celiac disease causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses

whether the breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to

enter the system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame

me if I have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory.

Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not

hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition

but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come

across them I'll send them.

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of flatcat9aol

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11

AM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Auto-immune diseases

I can't remember the statistics right now, but

having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated

AD can trigger another.

Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply "

shows up in different organs in different people.

H.

In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes:

I know a number of friends who also have

auto-immune issues, and face

multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune

problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our

immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other

problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!

Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My

guess is that there will be more research into these things as time

goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early

stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more

to learn.

**************

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[Guest guest]

Yikes - presumably there is no gluten in this spray, is there?----- Original Message -----From: < > < >Sent: Sun Mar 02 13:49:36 2008Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseasesI totally agree about the ‘environmental’ links that can be weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why wee see more food allergies especially with young children…..This is also why I want to advise everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is going to happen over the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please get involved to fight this.For those that are not aware….The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to spray the San Francisco Bay Area starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5 years or indefinitely until the moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz and Monterey counties using a synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in microscopic plastic capsules.• Hundreds of people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County have reported adverse health reactions. The spray has not been tested for long-term human toxicity and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules that could pose inhalation risks.• The spray contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the drowning of hundreds of waterfowl.• Biologists agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs. an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply, e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps.• CDFA itself says the moth has done no crop damage in California to date. Priority must be given to public and environmental health and safety over speculative economic loss.• The aerial spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the population, including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical sensitivity,It is on my mind all the time and has really got me freaked out, and very angry. I have a family with multiple allergies and also my son (6) has asthma. I am so scared to think about the potential/eminent health risks to me and my family. This is a very disconcerting situation.What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION• Sign the petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and become active!• Write letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your voice!• Ask your city council to follow the example of Albany and pass a resolution against the spraying.• Ask Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control.• Ask your Assemblymembers to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without consent and to do whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can be passed.• Ask your federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine of CA crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of safe pest control methods.• Tell CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on organic produce!Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I am about being a guinea pig for these chemicals - help fight this.See the following websites and blogs for more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT.http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htmhttp://www.stopthespray.org/Eileen Groff________________________________From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-QuillanSent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseasesIt really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate.My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it since starting my period at age nine.There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo would have gotten as bad as it did.Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but I was damn close.I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me…________________________________From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn SyiekSent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseasesI don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly high.There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory. Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come across them I'll send them.________________________________From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of flatcat9@...Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseasesI can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply " shows up in different organs in different people.H.In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBear@... writes:I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and facemultiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immuneproblems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once ourimmune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for otherproblems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. Myguess is that there will be more research into these things as timegoes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the earlystages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much moreto learn.**************Ideas to please picky eaters. 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[Guest guest]

I developed autoimmune hepatitis shortly after taking a common antibiotic, ampicillin, for an infection following flu. The doctors said the ampicillin could have triggered it -- or any of several other factors.

Autoimmune disease often is triggered by sudden stress, or chemical factors, or common infections -- the list goes on and on.

An untreated autoimmune disease can trigger others.

H.

In a message dated 3/3/08 10:34:32 AM, steph@... writes:

I feel that environmental factors are definitely a root, as well as the rampant use of antibiotics.  When I was much younger (and vainer) my dermatologist put me on 1000mg of Tetracycline a day to combat mild acne.  After a little more than a year I stopped the medication because I'd realized it was ridiculous and dangerous, and within two month *bam* my colitis popped up, closely followed by others.  

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[Guest guest]

That idea makes A LOT of sense to me, as I have ulcerative colitis, celiac, and mild psoriasis. Since it's such a systemic problem, it makes sense to approach is as such.On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:10 AM, flatcat9@... wrote:Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it "simply" shows up in different organs in different people ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^me: Stiavettimail: steph@...eats: http://www.wasabimon.comswallow all your tears my loveand put on your new faceyou can never win or loseif you don't run the race

[Guest guest]

I feel that environmental factors are definitely a root, as well as the rampant use of antibiotics. When I was much younger (and vainer) my dermatologist put me on 1000mg of Tetracycline a day to combat mild acne. After a little more than a year I stopped the medication because I'd realized it was ridiculous and dangerous, and within two month *bam* my colitis popped up, closely followed by others. :(On Mar 2, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan wrote:It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate. My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it since starting my period at age nine. There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo would have gotten as bad as it did. Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but I was damn close. I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me… From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Bronwyn SyiekSent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly high. There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory. Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come across them I'll send them. From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of flatcat9aolSent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseasesI can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it "simply" shows up in different organs in different people.H.In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes:I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and facemultiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immuneproblems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once ourimmune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for otherproblems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. Myguess is that there will be more research into these things as timegoes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the earlystages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much moreto learn.**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^me: Stiavettimail: steph@...eats: http://www.wasabimon.comAnd then the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom.