Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Does anyone have a good reference on " sundowning " ... the " late afternoon act up " sessions we see in autism... when they get more agitated, etc. please let me know. Thanks. Jeanne A. Brohart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 >> Does anyone have a good reference on " sundowning " ... the " late > afternoon act up " sessions we see in autism... when they get more > agitated, etc. I haven't heard the term 'sundowning' before but yes. I get worn out and tired about that time myself. I have heard parents call it the 'mealtime madness' because it happens as everyone gets home from work or school and thinking about dinner, etc. My kids took a nap until they were about 5 and that helped, although many kids quit naps before that. A small snack about 2:30 or 3:00 can ward off a hypoglycemic reaction. My kids have a snack at 3:30, right after school. Regular meal and snack time is a must here or we hear about it. Including me. I know with my migraines, I would just about be out of energy having to deal with the pain all day. So if a small one is having pain or discomfort they especially need the relief of a nap or something to 'stim' or vegetate on. Someway to unwind as many do after work. My grandmother was a school teacher and she would come home, sit in her rocking chair and crochet for an hour. She was famous for crocheting baby blankets and bed covers for everyone. So some 'stims' can be turned into useful activities. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 US TOO! my son can be fine all day long and then at about 3:30 or 4:00 he just starts to go into his hyper, Im going to irritate everyone in my path mode (especially the cat and his sister) and it does not go away with food. The only thing that helps is a computer game or tv (i hate to say). He is also VERY tired at this time of day as he gets up at 5:30am and does not take a nap anymore. Patti - -- In , " Griffiths " <rp46285@o...> wrote: > OH...you mean the " WITCHING HOUR " ! > > You can include us too...... > > > > Re: OT - sundowning > > > >> Does anyone have a good reference on " sundowning " ... the " late > > afternoon act up " sessions we see in autism... when they get more > > agitated, etc. > > I haven't heard the term 'sundowning' before but yes. I get worn out > and tired about that time myself. I have heard parents call it > the 'mealtime madness' because it happens as everyone gets home from > work or school and thinking about dinner, etc. My kids took a nap > until they were about 5 and that helped, although many kids quit > naps before that. A small snack about 2:30 or 3:00 can ward off a > hypoglycemic reaction. My kids have a snack at 3:30, right after > school. Regular meal and snack time is a must here or we hear about > it. Including me. I know with my migraines, I would just about be > out of energy having to deal with the pain all day. So if a small > one is having pain or discomfort they especially need the relief of > a nap or something to 'stim' or vegetate on. Someway to unwind as > many do after work. My grandmother was a school teacher and she > would come home, sit in her rocking chair and crochet for an hour. > She was famous for crocheting baby blankets and bed covers for > everyone. So some 'stims' can be turned into useful activities. > > . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Yes, that " syndrome " is far from exclusive to autism lol. I think we all need a break that time of day. I always try to get supper started when my toddler takes his afternoon nap so when the evening crabbies start (more likely mine than theirs!) there isn't much prep time required. My daughter always needs some down time after school so she has a snack and reads, watches a video and plays with her rag doll's hair (a favorite quiet stim.) This time isn't so bad if you plan for it and are prepared! --- In , " jornmatt <kjorn@t...> " <kjorn@t...> wrote: > >> Does anyone have a good reference on " sundowning " ... the " late > > afternoon act up " sessions we see in autism... when they get more > > agitated, etc. > > I haven't heard the term 'sundowning' before but yes. I get worn out > and tired about that time myself. I have heard parents call it > the 'mealtime madness' because it happens as everyone gets home from > work or school and thinking about dinner, etc. My kids took a nap > until they were about 5 and that helped, although many kids quit > naps before that. A small snack about 2:30 or 3:00 can ward off a > hypoglycemic reaction. My kids have a snack at 3:30, right after > school. Regular meal and snack time is a must here or we hear about > it. Including me. I know with my migraines, I would just about be > out of energy having to deal with the pain all day. So if a small > one is having pain or discomfort they especially need the relief of > a nap or something to 'stim' or vegetate on. Someway to unwind as > many do after work. My grandmother was a school teacher and she > would come home, sit in her rocking chair and crochet for an hour. > She was famous for crocheting baby blankets and bed covers for > everyone. So some 'stims' can be turned into useful activities. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 > Yes, that " syndrome " is far from exclusive to autism lol. I think we > all need a break that time of day. I have heard it called " the witching hour " and that almost all kids have this problem. Partially decompression from the stress of school followed by the unstructured environment of home, plus anticipation of dinner, and other things. If the child has issues with foods/supplements eaten for breakfast or lunch, he might be able to control himself while at school, but the phenol effect or other effect overwhelms him at about this time of day, causing meltdown. It is a good time to allow the video games, etc, so the child can unwind and transition, while engaged in something he enjoys. Physical things like playing sports is also good for this time. I don't have a link tho, if that is what the original person was looking for. Good luck. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 I had read some time ago that this " sundowning " activity was an issue in the autistic... it was months ago though and I can't for the life of me remember where it was. reason I'm asking is that I have been comparing Autism and Alzheimer's... I'm up to 115 mirror image parallels (the elderly line up for flu shots each year... so, I'm not surprised... neither am I surprised that these appear to be " one and the same illness " when I consider things like the fact that Singh (in Utah)... one of the best known immunologist in autism, has 2 areas of expertise... care to guess... AUTISM and ALZHEIMER's!!! I'm convinced these are one and the same... I know sundowning is an issue for Alzheimer's ... already have references for that... just needed good reference for autism side. I know I read this... but, too long ago for me to remember where and what study it was. This comparison information was sent to Dan Burton for hearings this week... and was distributed in US Autism Ambassador's newsletter couple of weeks ago... so, now, we just wait to see what Burton does with this. Stats on Alzheimer's: 4M in US alone... expected to double every 5 years, of those over 85 years of age, 50% afflicted by it: 75-85, 20%, 65-75 range shows 10% afflicted. We are even having people in their 40s and 50s developing Alzheimer's. I encourage all of you to look at that comparison... pretty amazing stuff!... there are actually more than 115 parallels... in some categories, I lumped several things together... so probably actually closer to 130 parallels. By the way, for all parents of the autistic, I posted the second book I wrote in full on my website... you are free to download it...it is about 500 pages long... do you know that if you assume almost no communication among the various parts of the brain, you can explain a GREAT deal in the autistic child... amazingly so! When you combine that with online video (also on my site) of the experiment from the University of Calgary showing neural degeneration due to low level mercury exposure, a lot of stuff finally falls completely into place. I'm swamped doing research on Alzheimer's right now... so, I won't be on here much. If anyone can find that " sundown " issue reference for me, I would really appreciate it. What I'm looking for is just a reference from a study that shows the autistic tend to get more agitated in late afternoon... moreso than other kids. Jeanne A. Brohart http://www.alzheimershelpforyou.com If you go there, you'll see the comparison... just takes a couple of minutes to scroll through it. (I now have this domain name too... in addition to autismhelpforyou...just so people searching for alzheimer's can hit this too). I already come up first on web for " autism help " searches... out of 278,000 or so... I hope that once servers update/search engines update worldwide in a couple of months I start coming up first for alzheimer's help too... that would put me first out of over 570,000 websites for that topic... so, I have a great opportunity to share " this little comparison " with the world and hopefully have people see autism in a whole new light... and finally support parents of the autistic... because, if I am correct, looks like 1/2 of the human population can look forward to developing autism later in life! ( > >> Does anyone have a good reference on " sundowning " ... the " late > > afternoon act up " sessions we see in autism... when they get more > > agitated, etc. > > I haven't heard the term 'sundowning' before but yes. I get worn out > and tired about that time myself. I have heard parents call it > the 'mealtime madness' because it happens as everyone gets home from > work or school and thinking about dinner, etc. My kids took a nap > until they were about 5 and that helped, although many kids quit > naps before that. A small snack about 2:30 or 3:00 can ward off a > hypoglycemic reaction. My kids have a snack at 3:30, right after > school. Regular meal and snack time is a must here or we hear about > it. Including me. I know with my migraines, I would just about be > out of energy having to deal with the pain all day. So if a small > one is having pain or discomfort they especially need the relief of > a nap or something to 'stim' or vegetate on. Someway to unwind as > many do after work. My grandmother was a school teacher and she > would come home, sit in her rocking chair and crochet for an hour. > She was famous for crocheting baby blankets and bed covers for > everyone. So some 'stims' can be turned into useful activities. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 I have known people with alzheimers both elderly and not so elderly, and my daughter-as well many of the children I know of on here- don't even remotely compare to that situation. I for one do not want people to stand up and notice autism as some disease like alzheimers. How exactly did the the elderly getting a flu shot figure into your theory? Lost me on that one. -- In , " Jeanne A. Brohart <autismhelpforyou@c...> " <autismhelpforyou@c...> wrote: > I had read some time ago that this " sundowning " activity was an issue > in the autistic... it was months ago though and I can't for the life > of me remember where it was. > > reason I'm asking is that I have been comparing Autism and > Alzheimer's... I'm up to 115 mirror image parallels (the elderly line > up for flu shots each year... so, I'm not surprised... neither am I > surprised that these appear to be " one and the same illness " when I > consider things like the fact that Singh (in Utah)... one of the best > known immunologist in autism, has 2 areas of expertise... care to > guess... AUTISM and ALZHEIMER's!!! I'm convinced these are one and > the same... I know sundowning is an issue for Alzheimer's ... already > have references for that... just needed good reference for autism > side. I know I read this... but, too long ago for me to remember > where and what study it was. > > > This comparison information was sent to Dan Burton for hearings this > week... and was distributed in US Autism Ambassador's newsletter > couple of weeks ago... so, now, we just wait to see what Burton does > with this. > > Stats on Alzheimer's: 4M in US alone... expected to double every 5 > years, of those over 85 years of age, 50% afflicted by it: 75-85, 20%, > 65-75 range shows 10% afflicted. We are even having people in their > 40s and 50s developing Alzheimer's. I encourage all of you to look > at that comparison... pretty amazing stuff!... there are actually more > than 115 parallels... in some categories, I lumped several things > together... so probably actually closer to 130 parallels. > > > By the way, for all parents of the autistic, I posted the second book > I wrote in full on my website... you are free to download it...it is > about 500 pages long... do you know that if you assume almost no > communication among the various parts of the brain, you can explain a > GREAT deal in the autistic child... amazingly so! When you combine > that with online video (also on my site) of the experiment from the > University of Calgary showing neural degeneration due to low level > mercury exposure, a lot of stuff finally falls completely into place. > I'm swamped doing research on Alzheimer's right now... so, I won't be > on here much. If anyone can find that " sundown " issue reference for > me, I would really appreciate it. What I'm looking for is just a > reference from a study that shows the autistic tend to get more > agitated in late afternoon... moreso than other kids. > > Jeanne A. Brohart > > http://www.alzheimershelpforyou.com If you go there, you'll see the > comparison... just takes a couple of minutes to scroll through it. > (I now have this domain name too... in addition to > autismhelpforyou...just so people searching for alzheimer's can hit > this too). I already come up first on web for " autism help " > searches... out of 278,000 or so... I hope that once servers > update/search engines update worldwide in a couple of months I start > coming up first for alzheimer's help too... that would put me first > out of over 570,000 websites for that topic... so, I have a great > opportunity to share " this little comparison " with the world and > hopefully have people see autism in a whole new light... and finally > support parents of the autistic... because, if I am correct, looks > like 1/2 of the human population can look forward to developing autism > later in life! ( > > > > > > > > >> Does anyone have a good reference on " sundowning " ... the " late > > > afternoon act up " sessions we see in autism... when they get more > > > agitated, etc. > > > > I haven't heard the term 'sundowning' before but yes. I get worn out > > and tired about that time myself. I have heard parents call it > > the 'mealtime madness' because it happens as everyone gets home from > > work or school and thinking about dinner, etc. My kids took a nap > > until they were about 5 and that helped, although many kids quit > > naps before that. A small snack about 2:30 or 3:00 can ward off a > > hypoglycemic reaction. My kids have a snack at 3:30, right after > > school. Regular meal and snack time is a must here or we hear about > > it. Including me. I know with my migraines, I would just about be > > out of energy having to deal with the pain all day. So if a small > > one is having pain or discomfort they especially need the relief of > > a nap or something to 'stim' or vegetate on. Someway to unwind as > > many do after work. My grandmother was a school teacher and she > > would come home, sit in her rocking chair and crochet for an hour. > > She was famous for crocheting baby blankets and bed covers for > > everyone. So some 'stims' can be turned into useful activities. > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 that is correct... mercury is also in flu shots... and if you look at information posted by US Autism Ambassador today (another thread on this message board) you will see that under the Simpsonwood meeting information, experts all agree that " when " you are exposed to mercury makes a big difference in terms of its impacts.... so, you may not think autism and Alzheimer's appear to be the same... but, the facts/parallels between the two certainly indicate otherwise... 115 mirror image parallels is well beyond my " coincidence comfort level " . And, just how do you explain that Singh has two areas of specialty in terms of immunology... Autism and Alzheimer's... he is among the best in this research... either one of these alone would be a life's work... would it not? Note that we are not just talking " science " either... we are talking about EXACT same problems in both... like improper pronoun usage, etc.... that stuff gets pretty specific, turning lights on and off, repetitive ritualistic behavior, insisting on routines... even " unusual routines " , and the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on... to the tune of well over 115 MIRROR image parallels!!! I suspect Singh is studying " the same thing... with just 2 names... autism and Alzheimer's " ... I didn't think they had anything to do with one another either... until I took a much closer look ... of course, that is just my opinion... you are free to agree or disagree... ) Jeanne > I think what jeannie is saying is heavy metal toxicity is involved - > thimerosal is in flu jabs too. > HTH > Mandi in UK > mum to Sam, Heavy Metal Toxicity (Autism) > > > > I have known people with alzheimers both elderly and not so elderly, > > and my daughter-as well many of the children I know of on here- don't > > even remotely compare to that situation. I for one do not want > > people to stand up and notice autism as some disease like alzheimers. > > How exactly did the the elderly getting a flu shot figure into your > > theory? Lost me on that one. > > > > -- In > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Our son is only two-and-a-half so he normally has an afternoon sleep. If he has the sleep he is fine. If he misses it, we get the " sundowning " . If he misses it two days in a row, we get it with a vengeance. Very young children are particularly vulnerable to this, whether they are autistic or NT. Perhaps older autistic kids with hypoglycemia are also vulnerable. Most people could benefit from an afternoon sleep, but northern European, North American and Australian mainstream cultures don't recognise this as valid. Probably we are all somewhat prone to " sundowning " , but very young, very old, hypoglycemic or unwell people suffer more than most. Steve > > Yes, that " syndrome " is far from exclusive to autism lol. I think > we > > all need a break that time of day. > > > I have heard it called " the witching hour " and that almost all kids > have this problem. Partially decompression from the stress of school > followed by the unstructured environment of home, plus anticipation of > dinner, and other things. > > If the child has issues with foods/supplements eaten for breakfast or > lunch, he might be able to control himself while at school, but the > phenol effect or other effect overwhelms him at about this time of > day, causing meltdown. > > It is a good time to allow the video games, etc, so the child can > unwind and transition, while engaged in something he enjoys. Physical > things like playing sports is also good for this time. > > I don't have a link tho, if that is what the original person was > looking for. > > Good luck. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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