RE: Regarding chance glutening remedies

May 3, 2008

Well, not like now, but I think that

hominids commonly pulled the seeds off of grasses and chewed them as they were

walking through the fields looking for eggs in birds’ nests, but it was

seasonal and regional and just a very small part of the plant foods that could

be eaten without cooking. Even when we got fire, it was still more like gum –

something to chew on for quite a while, until some desperate mother decided to

try to grind it up for her hungry toothless kid or granny and kept the ground

seeds in a basket or pot and it rained and she could not afford to waste it so

she tried putting it on a hot rock near the fire – and there was a flat

bread. Or it fermented and there was beer.

Connie

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beatrice Garth

Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:09 PM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Regarding chance glutening remedies

Sorry, I made an omission:

Before 15,000 years ago no humans

on earth ate much in the way of grains.

Bea

Beatrice Garth

<beagarth > wrote:

My understanding is that not many non-Europeans have this condition

although like I said the Vikings got around and spread it through their genes

and then of course that got replicated by others. Who knows where all they went

" a-Viking " though they often went by river as well as ocean.

It seems that in Scandinavia and British Isles etc. wheat etc. was not

introduced as early as in the rest of Europe--by

1500 years, and even then they ate mostly barley.

Honestly there was no conspiracy of any kind in the development of celiac. Its

just a genetic fluke. Before 15,000 years ago humans on earth ate much in the

way of grains. There was a trade-off for everyone to go from nomadic Hunter

Gatherer to Settled Grain Eater. Children did not grow as much when they ate

less meat. By eating a higher grain diet people started not living

as long as well due to the appearance of more degenerative diseases.

As far as gluten goes, its interesting that the northern wheat has more gluten

in it due to to shorter growing season.Interestingly celiac also often

causes short stature if contracted early enough--though it seems eating a high

grain diet causes everyone some short stature issues if not enough

protein is eaten.

Bea

Lillyth Denaghy

Keogh-Quillan <lillythdenaghykeoghcomcast (DOT) net>

wrote:

Is that true?

What about Africans? At the Celiac

Conference a few years ago, they said that the heist population with Celiac

were African refugees.

Also, I read recently that wheat read was

not regularly used until the Egyptians began to make beer for the Jewish slaves.

I also have some Jewish & Russian

ancestry (like someone else mentioned).

Perhaps there is some root in enslaving

the Jewish population with gut-destroying brew?

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of TrVerb@...

Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:51

AM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Regarding chance glutening remedies

I think in general it would be interesting for someone to investigate the old

dietary practices and remedies of Scandinavians since they seem to be the

source (as far as I can figure) for this celiac condition--and the old Vikings

then spread their genes around so to speak. Plus a significant number of the

Scandinavian and British warriors were taken in by the old Roman Army during

Caeser's time--which is why I think so many Italians also have this condition.

Bea

Connie Hampton

<connie@hampton-connie@hacon> wrote:

Probiotics don’t

last long in the body and need to be eaten daily for the best effects –

sauerkraut, kefir, kefired apple juice, traditional lactofermented pickles,

etc. really help on a daily basis and are quite traditional.

Stanford researchers are

working on an enzyme therapeutic to use against cross contamination but they

are not there yet.

Clays like pascalite (www.pascalite.www – I don’t get anything for

mentioning them) also can help by sticking to the sticky gliadin peptides.

Red wine has been

mentioned as well.

I am so glad that you

described all that you did, Bea. I will print this out and see if any of

these herbs and vitamins help me. I usually just take my migraine to bed and

lose 6 hours.

Connie

From: @ celiacbayar @yah

@ celiOn Behalf Of j.

hogle

Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:21

AM

@ celiacbayar ce

Subject: Re: [ ]

Regarding chance glutening remedies

Hi Bea:

I don't mean to imply that " ...just the probiotics are all that is needed

as a remedy. " I am only pointing out research whose results, thus

far, are proving " interesting. I don't mean to imply that " ...just

the probiotics are all that is needed as a remedy. " I am only

pointing out research whose results, thus far, are proving

" interesting. " I will follow it, other quality

research,

On the other hand, as you note, it may often be worthwhile to err " ...on

the side of kitchen sink methodology. On the other hand, as you note, it may

often be worthwhile to err " ...on the side of kitchen sink

methodology... " because, as long as the kitchen sinks don't

have any inherent problems themselves, we might as well try those potentially

salutary tools (medicines, herbs, probiotics, whatever) that are showing at

least a reasonable amount of anecdotal success. A good analogy

might be the many people who were taking glucosamine and condroitin years

before scienti

The one thing we need to be sure is that we and our loved ones don't fall

victims to often-expensive scams by or products from vendors who know how to

prey on people with illnesses, needs, and fears. Fortunately, there are

numerous high-quality Web sites (such as Consumer Reports Health

subscription site, the

government's MedLinePlus, the Mayo Clinic, the not-for-profit Celiac organizations, and many, many more

that can provide us with objective information on the " cures, "

" medicines, " herbs, etc., that are of questionable value or are

complete frauds.

Hogle

Freelance academic librarian

Instructor, online research

Email: jjhogle (DOT) jj

Web: www.blueroom.www

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ain't what you think it is

Art Graphics &

Photographs

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-----

Original Message ----

From: Beatrice Garth <beagarth (DOT) bea>

@ celiacb To

Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:52:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Regarding chance glutening remedies

Hi ,

And here I thought it was the " glutenase " powder and the

" glucoamylase " that made the difference with the Gluten-zyme

etc.---not the probiotics. Due to your sharp eye I now see the 5 ingredient

probiotic blend. Its great news however if the probiotics do help to such a

great degree.

The Gluten-zyme by the way also has varying different kinds of peptidase

activity as well as " strong acid protease " and amylase.

We do need double blind studies I agree wholeheartedly, both for regular

supplements and herbs since they too really do seem to help in my experience

and for other people with celiac that I know. However for now without the studies

for the most part (except for the study you cite), its nice to know that its

possible these new gluten enzyme like products actually help--as well as the

probiotics.

I also think the enzymes in the pineapple and papaya helped me too--which makes

sense since they counteract swelling and scar tissue formation.

Question is of course, next time do I use the whole kitchen sink remedy or not?

This is where studies are important, though probably for now for myself I can

use trial and error--as a kind of personal science. For now I erred on the side

of kitchen sink methodology since I did not want to get sick once again and

just threw everything that I had available to me at it.

I think it would be great however if various people here on the celiac

group did try some of these products and remedies and let us all know if

it helped them or not when inadvertently glutened. At least it would be a start

-- from " nothing one can do " (sigh!) to definitely " doing

something! "

Since I was affected quite dramatically about 4 times this winter after I went

" pure " with not only my diet but also my sundries etc. I am very

happy I did not seriously get sick again.

If as you imply just the probiotics are all that is needed as a remedy, I would

be highly surprised. However I am open to that being true nevertheless. It

would be great in fact since it would be so very simple...and fit in with some

of the Northern European people's diet -- since in ancient times they

practically lived on fermented reindeer milk for a good part of the year.

Bea

" j. hogle "

<jjhogle (DOT) com> wrote:

I'm glad that the Glutenzyme product

worked for you, but I would like to see how well the Lactobacillus brevis,

Lactobacillus acidophilus, Gluten protease, and Amylase in

" Glutenzyme " works in a double-blind, well-controlled research

study.

On the other hand, in a recent peer-reviewed scientific paper available

(abstract, at least) from PubMed.gov,

Finnish researchers found that ... " Lactobacillus fermentum or

Bifidobacterium lactis can inhibit the toxic effects of gliadin in intestinal

cell culture conditions " and that it " ...would clearly warrant

further studies of its potential as a novel dietary supplement in the treatment

of coeliac disease. " Early stage research, but very

interesting.

Below I've included the PubMed citation in Medline format for the paper that

was published in the April 16, 2008 e-edition of the Journal of Clinical and

Experimental Immunology.

Cheers,

Hogle

Freelance academic librarian

Instructor, online research

Email: jjhogle (DOT) com

Web: www.blueroom. com

Reality

ain't what you think it is

Art Graphics &

Photographs

[http://www.blueroom

..com/realityaint .htm]

============ CITATION

============ ===

Lindfors

K et al. Live probiotic Bifidobacteriu. ..[PMID:

18422736]

PMID

-

18422736

OWN

-

NLM

STAT

-

Publisher

DA

-

20080421

PUBM

-

Print-Electronic

IS

-

1365-2249 (Electronic)

DP

-

2008 Apr 16

TI

-

Li ve probiotic Bifidobacterium lactis

bacteria inhibit the toxic effects induced by wheat gliadin in epithelial cell

culture.

AB

-

Wheat gliadin induces severe intestinal

symptoms and small-bowel mucosal damage in coeliac disease patients. At

present, the only effective treatment for the disease is a strict life-long

gluten-free diet. In this study we investigated whether probiotics

Lactobacillus fermentum or Bifidobacterium lactis can inhibit the toxic effects

of gliadin in intestinal cell culture conditions. The ability of live

probiotics to inhibit peptic-tryptic digested gliadin-induced damage to human

colon cells Caco-2 was evaluated by measuring epithelial permeability by

transepithelial resistance, actin cytoskeleton arrangements by the extent of

membrane ruffling and expression of tight junctional protein ZO-1. B. lactis

inhibited the gliadin-induced increase dose-dependently in epithelial

permeability, higher concentrations completely abolishing the gliadin-induced

decrease in transepithelial resistance. The same bacterial strain also

inhibited the formation of membrane ruffles in Caco-2 cells induced by gliadin

administration. Furthermore, it also protected the tight junctions of Caco-2

cells against the effects of gliadin, as evinced by the pattern of ZO-1

expression. We conclude thus that live B. lactis bacteria can counteract

directly the harmful effects exerted by coeliac-toxic gliadin and would clearly

warrant further studies of its potential as a novel dietary supplement in the

treatment of coeliac disease.

AD

-

Paediatric Research Centre, Medical School,

University of Tampere, Finland, Department of Peadiatrics, Tampere University

Hospital, Tampere, Finland.

AU

-

Lindfors K

AU

-

Blomqvist T

AU

-

Juuti-Uusitalo K

AU

-

Stenman S

AU

-

Venalainen J

AU

-

Maki M

AU

-

Kaukinen K

LA

-

ENG

PT

-

JOURNAL ARTICLE

DEP

-

20080416

TA

-

Clin Exp Immunol

JT

-

Clinical and experimental immunology

JID

-

0057202

EDAT

-

2008/04/22 09:00

MHDA

-

2008/04/22 09:00

AID

-

CEI3635 [pii]

AID

-

10.1111/j.1365- 2249.2008. 03635.x [doi]

PST

-

aheadofprint

SO

-

Clin Exp Immunol. 2008 Apr 16;.

-----

Original Message ----

From: Beatrice Garth <beagarth (DOT) com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:16:43 PM

Subject: [ ] Regarding chance glutening remedies

Last

week I had both the confronting experience of being glutened by chance at a

supposedly celiac aware restaurant-- the bane of most celiacs--and

discovered some remedies that actually worked for me. This after having gotten

shooting D just from a food handler who prepared my tea after making someone

else a sandwich in February as well as other equivalent experiences since I

have gone off all trace hidden glutens!

What happened is that I asked for and got some pineapple and fresh papaya at

the establishment I was eating at after I discovered they had put soy sauce in

my dish (after I had been assured they wouldn't). I had already eaten about 1/2

my portion--and wasn't paying as much attention as I might since it was

supposed to be a " safe " and experienced restaurant concerning the

gluten matter. If I had brought along my papain/bromelain caps that would have

been the easy equivalent to the pineapple and papaya. As it was the owner ran

across the street and bought me some fresh papaya. I also immediately took some

pancreatin enzymes I had brought along--a double dose.

Right after dinner my date and I went over to a natural foods store and I

bought this new product called Gluten-zyme by Country Life. There was another

bottle of a different brand that cost a little more that also looked pretty

equivalent. Again I immediately took a double dose. That night I took another

dose and two more the next day just to make sure.

Instead of shooting D I had inflammation in my feet and calves which went down

after I took my co-enzyme B vitamins. I wasn't home where I usually have my

herbs and most of my stuff so I didn't take dandelion (to clean out the liver),

cleavers (to clean out the lymphs), marshmallow root (to soothe and heal the

lining of the intestines), and nattokinase or serrapeptidase (to counteract

scar tissue in the intestines as well as inflammation) etc. until the next

day--I probably should have got some at the store but wasn't feeling quite that

rich.

The following day my only other symptom was a small pimple on my face, often a

sign of glutening in the old pre pure days before I went off all hidden gluten.

I did feel a little depressed (another symptom) but then recovered after going

for a long walk and working on clay (clay pulls out toxins through the skin of

the hands and feet etc.). I bet going for a sauna would have worked too. Taking

the dandelion etc. also helped a great deal.

It was a big discovery for me. I keep hearing there is nothing you can do

except grin and bear it, but I discovered that at least for me there are

remedies. I feel like I no longer have to be terrified of going out to eat,

especially with these new gluten-eating enzymes out there. I wonder if this would

help others? Methinks it would. Please try it in an emergency and let me (and

us all) know if it does.

I still think its not wise to court experiences like this, but hey they happen.

Especially for someone like me that is actually trying to have a life outside

of my safe cocoon sometimes.

Another note--in case of shooting D right away (before you can take action or

know you needed to), pepto bismol tablets or their equivalent work great. They

are easy to carry in the purse or pocket or whatever. Another remedy is to make

a tea with either blackberry or guava leaves. Meadowsweet I hear also works.

Bea

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Well these are interesting theories. It could just be true although honestly I have heard nothing about it. I want to look into it and see if what you suggest could be correct or not. The fact most Native Americans don't have this condition makes me wonder about it however.BeaConnie Hampton <connie@...> wrote: Bea, I’m not at all sure that non-Europeans don’t have celiac – it could just be a reporting/identification issue. And many non-Europeans do not use wheat the way Europeans do – at every meal in every dish – Asian and Pre-Columbian foods generally do not have gluten (well – there are Chinese noodles and Korean soy sauce, but still, rice!) So it is not so much that celiac genes mutated and got spread as much as it is that the celiac genes are the old ones and that the non-celiac genes are the mutated ones that got spread.

The Vikings (my people!) certainly did spread their genes around – both after they settled in Scandinavia (the Rus in Russia) and before they got there in most of the rest of Europe (and never mind the Celts who started very close to the wheat bearing lands and certainly have a long tradition of both beer and whiskey from barley – one wonders if distillation was a way to keep the alcohol and ditch the gluten). And then the Europeans apparently spent a great deal of time in Central Asia before entering Europe. National Geographic has found that homeland by tracing the male genetic line. My sources are bits and pieces from things like “Guns, Germs and Steel”, the National Geographic specials on tracing our genetic heritage (broadly), comments by people about their Eastern European grandparents eating mostly oat porridge and goat meat and opening a bake shop (wheat!!) after the war when they could, teaching my kids at home about “the long, long story of where we came from”, some genetics work in my own schooling, some conversations on the group GFCFNN, perhaps the book “Against the Grain”. Etc, etc.etc. Connie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beatrice Garth Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Regarding chance glutening remedies My understanding is that not many non-Europeans have this condition although like I said the Vikings got around and spread it through their genes and then of course that got replicated by others. Who knows where all they went "a-Viking" though they often went by river as well as ocean. It seems that in Scandinavia and British Isles etc. wheat etc. was not introduced as early as in the rest of Europe--by 1500 years, and even then they ate mostly barley. Honestly there was no conspiracy of any kind in the development of celiac. Its just a genetic fluke. Before 15,000 years ago humans on earth ate much in the way of grains. There was a trade-off for everyone to go from nomadic Hunter Gatherer to Settled Grain Eater. Children did not grow as much when they ate less meat. By eating a higher grain diet people started not living as long as well due to the appearance

of more degenerative diseases. As far as gluten goes, its interesting that the northern wheat has more gluten in it due to to shorter growing season.Interestingly celiac also often causes short stature if contracted early enough--though it seems eating a high grain diet causes everyone some short stature issues if not enough protein is eaten. Bea Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan <lillythdenaghykeoghcomcast (DOT) net> wrote: Is that true? What about Africans? At the Celiac Conference a few years ago, they said that the heist population with Celiac were African refugees. Also, I read recently that wheat read was not regularly used until the Egyptians began to make beer for the Jewish slaves. I also have some Jewish & Russian ancestry (like someone else mentioned). Perhaps there is some root in enslaving the Jewish population with gut-destroying brew? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of TrVerb@... Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Regarding chance glutening remedies I think in general it would be interesting for someone to investigate the old dietary practices and remedies of Scandinavians since they seem to be the source (as far as I can figure) for this celiac condition--and the old Vikings then spread their genes around so to speak. Plus a significant number of the Scandinavian and British warriors were taken in by the old Roman Army during Caeser's time--which is why I think so many Italians also have this condition. Bea Connie Hampton <connie@hampton-connie@hacon> wrote: Probiotics don’t last long in the body and need to be eaten daily for the best effects – sauerkraut, kefir, kefired apple juice, traditional lactofermented pickles, etc. really help on a daily basis and are quite traditional. Stanford researchers are working on an enzyme therapeutic to use against cross contamination but they are not there yet. Clays like pascalite (www.pascalite.www – I don’t get anything for mentioning them) also can help by sticking to the sticky gliadin peptides. Red wine has been mentioned as well.

I am so glad that you described all that you did, Bea. I will print this out and see if any of these herbs and vitamins help me. I usually just take my migraine to bed and lose 6 hours. Connie From: @ celiacbayar @yah @ celiOn Behalf Of j. hogle Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:21 AM @ celiacbayar ce Subject: Re: [ ] Regarding chance glutening remedies

Hi Bea: I don't mean to imply that "...just the probiotics are all that is needed as a remedy." I am only pointing out research whose results, thus far, are proving "interesting. I don't mean to imply that "...just the probiotics are all that is needed as a remedy." I am only pointing out research whose results, thus far, are proving "interesting." I will follow it, other quality research, On the other hand, as you note, it may often be worthwhile to err "...on the side of kitchen sink methodology. On the other hand, as you note, it may often be worthwhile to err "...on the side of kitchen sink methodology..." because, as long as the kitchen sinks don't have any inherent problems themselves, we might as well try those potentially salutary tools (medicines, herbs, probiotics,

whatever) that are showing at least a reasonable amount of anecdotal success. A good analogy might be the many people who were taking glucosamine and condroitin years before scienti The one thing we need to be sure is that we and our loved ones don't fall victims to often-expensive scams by or products from vendors who know how to prey on people with illnesses, needs, and fears. Fortunately, there are numerous high-quality Web sites (such as Consumer Reports Health subscription site, the government's MedLinePlus, the Mayo Clinic, the not-for-profit Celiac organizations, and many, many more that can provide us with objective information on the "cures," "medicines," herbs, etc., that are of questionable value or are complete frauds. Hogle Freelance academic librarian Instructor, online research Email: jjhogle (DOT) jj Web: www.blueroom.www Reality ain't what you think it is Art Graphics & Photographs [http://www.blueroomhttp://www.bluerhttp]

----- Original Message ---- From: Beatrice Garth <beagarth (DOT) bea> @ celiacb To Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2008 6:52:00 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Regarding chance glutening remedies Hi , And here I thought it was the "glutenase" powder and the "glucoamylase" that made the difference with the Gluten-zyme etc.---not the probiotics. Due to your sharp eye I now see the 5 ingredient probiotic blend. Its great news however if the probiotics do help to such a great degree. The Gluten-zyme by the way also has varying different kinds of peptidase activity as well as "strong acid protease" and

amylase. We do need double blind studies I agree wholeheartedly, both for regular supplements and herbs since they too really do seem to help in my experience and for other people with celiac that I know. However for now without the studies for the most part (except for the study you cite), its nice to know that its possible these new gluten enzyme like products actually help--as well as the probiotics. I also think the enzymes in the pineapple and papaya helped me too--which makes sense since they counteract swelling and scar tissue formation. Question is of course, next time do I use the whole kitchen sink remedy or not? This is where studies are important, though probably for now for myself I can use trial and error--as a kind of personal science. For now I erred on the side of kitchen sink methodology since I did not want to get sick once again and just threw everything that I had available to me at it. I think it would be great

however if various people here on the celiac group did try some of these products and remedies and let us all know if it helped them or not when inadvertently glutened. At least it would be a start -- from "nothing one can do" (sigh!) to definitely "doing something!" Since I was affected quite dramatically about 4 times this winter after I went "pure" with not only my diet but also my sundries etc. I am very happy I did not seriously get sick again. If as you imply just the probiotics are all that is needed as a remedy, I would be highly surprised. However I am open to that being true nevertheless. It would be great in fact since it would be so very simple...and fit in with some of the Northern European people's diet -- since in ancient times they practically lived on fermented reindeer milk for a good part of the year. Bea "j. hogle" <jjhogle (DOT)

com> wrote: I'm glad that the Glutenzyme product worked for you, but I would like to see how well the Lactobacillus brevis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Gluten protease, and Amylase in "Glutenzyme" works in a double-blind, well-controlled research study. On the other hand, in a recent peer-reviewed scientific paper available (abstract, at least) from PubMed.gov, Finnish researchers

found that ..."Lactobacillus fermentum or Bifidobacterium lactis can inhibit the toxic effects of gliadin in intestinal cell culture conditions" and that it "...would clearly warrant further studies of its potential as a novel dietary supplement in the treatment of coeliac disease." Early stage research, but very interesting. Below I've included the PubMed citation in Medline format for the paper that was published in the April 16, 2008 e-edition of the Journal of Clinical and Experimental Immunology. Cheers, Hogle Freelance academic librarian Instructor, online research Email: jjhogle (DOT) com Web: www.blueroom. com Reality ain't what you think it is Art Graphics & Photographs [http://www.blueroom .com/realityaint .htm] ============ CITATION ============ === Lindfors K et al. Live probiotic Bifidobacteriu. ..[PMID: 18422736] Related Articles, Links PMID - 18422736 OWN - NLM STAT - Publisher

DA - 20080421 PUBM - Print-Electronic IS - 1365-2249 (Electronic) DP - 2008 Apr 16 TI - Li ve probiotic Bifidobacterium lactis bacteria inhibit the toxic

effects induced by wheat gliadin in epithelial cell culture. AB - Wheat gliadin induces severe intestinal symptoms and small-bowel mucosal damage in coeliac disease patients. At present,

the only effective treatment for the disease is a strict life-long gluten-free diet. In this study we investigated whether probiotics Lactobacillus fermentum or Bifidobacterium lactis can inhibit the toxic effects of gliadin in intestinal cell culture conditions. The ability of live probiotics to inhibit peptic-tryptic digested gliadin-induced damage to human colon cells Caco-2 was evaluated by measuring epithelial permeability by transepithelial resistance, actin cytoskeleton arrangements by the extent of membrane ruffling and expression of tight junctional protein ZO-1. B. lactis inhibited the gliadin-induced increase dose-dependently in epithelial permeability, higher concentrations completely abolishing the gliadin-induced decrease in transepithelial resistance. The same bacterial strain also inhibited the formation of membrane ruffles in Caco-2 cells induced by gliadin administration. Furthermore, it also protected the tight junctions of Caco-2 cells against the

effects of gliadin, as evinced by the pattern of ZO-1 expression. We conclude thus that live B. lactis bacteria can counteract directly the harmful effects exerted by coeliac-toxic gliadin and would clearly warrant further studies of its potential as a novel dietary supplement in the treatment of coeliac disease. AD - Paediatric Research Centre, Medical School, University of Tampere, Finland, Department of Peadiatrics, Tampere University Hospital, Tampere, Finland. AU -

Lindfors K AU - Blomqvist T AU - Juuti-Uusitalo K AU - Stenman S AU - Venalainen J AU - Maki M AU - Kaukinen K LA - ENG PT - JOURNAL ARTICLE DEP - 20080416 TA - Clin Exp Immunol JT - Clinical and

experimental immunology JID - 0057202

EDAT - 2008/04/22 09:00 MHDA - 2008/04/22 09:00 AID - CEI3635 [pii] AID - 10.1111/j.1365- 2249.2008. 03635.x [doi] PST - aheadofprint SO - Clin Exp Immunol. 2008 Apr 16;.

----- Original Message ---- From: Beatrice Garth <beagarth (DOT) com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:16:43 PM Subject: [ ] Regarding chance glutening remedies Last week I had both the confronting experience of being glutened by chance at a supposedly celiac aware restaurant-- the bane of most celiacs--and discovered some remedies that actually worked for me. This after having gotten shooting D just from a food handler who prepared my tea after making someone else a sandwich in February as well as other equivalent experiences since I have gone off all trace hidden glutens! What

happened is that I asked for and got some pineapple and fresh papaya at the establishment I was eating at after I discovered they had put soy sauce in my dish (after I had been assured they wouldn't). I had already eaten about 1/2 my portion--and wasn't paying as much attention as I might since it was supposed to be a "safe" and experienced restaurant concerning the gluten matter. If I had brought along my papain/bromelain caps that would have been the easy equivalent to the pineapple and papaya. As it was the owner ran across the street and bought me some fresh papaya. I also immediately took some pancreatin enzymes I had brought along--a double dose. Right after dinner my date and I went over to a natural foods store and I bought this new product called Gluten-zyme by Country Life. There was another bottle of a different brand that cost a little more that also looked pretty equivalent. Again I immediately took a double dose. That night I took another dose and

two more the next day just to make sure. Instead of shooting D I had inflammation in my feet and calves which went down after I took my co-enzyme B vitamins. I wasn't home where I usually have my herbs and most of my stuff so I didn't take dandelion (to clean out the liver), cleavers (to clean out the lymphs), marshmallow root (to soothe and heal the lining of the intestines), and nattokinase or serrapeptidase (to counteract scar tissue in the intestines as well as inflammation) etc. until the next day--I probably should have got some at the store but wasn't feeling quite that rich. The following day my only other symptom was a small pimple on my face, often a sign of glutening in the old pre pure days before I went off all hidden gluten. I did feel a little depressed (another symptom) but then recovered after going for a long walk and working on clay (clay pulls out toxins through the skin of the hands and feet etc.). I bet going for a sauna would have

worked too. Taking the dandelion etc. also helped a great deal. It was a big discovery for me. I keep hearing there is nothing you can do except grin and bear it, but I discovered that at least for me there are remedies. I feel like I no longer have to be terrified of going out to eat, especially with these new gluten-eating enzymes out there. I wonder if this would help others? Methinks it would. Please try it in an emergency and let me (and us all) know if it does. I still think its not wise to court experiences like this, but hey they happen. Especially for someone like me that is actually trying to have a life outside of my safe cocoon sometimes. Another note--in case of shooting D right away (before you can take action or know you needed to), pepto bismol tablets or their equivalent work great. They are easy to carry in the purse or pocket or whatever. Another remedy is to make a tea with either blackberry or guava leaves. Meadowsweet I hear

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May 3, 2008

Yes, but most Native Americans

historically subsisted on corn, rather than wheat.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beatrice Garth

Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:02 PM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Regarding chance glutening remedies

Well

these are interesting theories. It could just be true although honestly I have

heard nothing about it. I want to look into it and see if what you

suggest could be correct or not. The fact most Native Americans don't have this

condition makes me wonder about it however.

Bea

Connie Hampton

<conniehampton-research> wrote:

Bea,

I’m not at all sure that

non-Europeans don’t have celiac – it could just be a

reporting/identification issue. And many non-Europeans do not use

wheat the way Europeans do – at every meal in every dish – Asian

and Pre-Columbian foods generally do not have gluten (well – there are

Chinese noodles and Korean soy sauce, but still, rice!)

So it is not so much that celiac genes

mutated and got spread as much as it is that the celiac genes are the old ones

and that the non-celiac genes are the mutated ones that got spread. The

Vikings (my people!) certainly did spread their genes around – both after

they settled in Scandinavia (the Rus in Russia) and before they got there in

most of the rest of Europe (and never mind the Celts who started very close to

the wheat bearing lands and certainly have a long tradition of both beer and

whiskey from barley – one wonders if distillation was a way to keep the

alcohol and ditch the gluten).

And then the Europeans apparently spent a

great deal of time in Central Asia before entering Europe.

National Geographic has found that homeland by tracing the male genetic line.

My sources are bits and pieces from things

like “Guns, Germs and Steel”, the National Geographic specials on

tracing our genetic heritage (broadly), comments by people about their Eastern

European grandparents eating mostly oat porridge and goat meat and opening a

bake shop (wheat!!) after the war when they could, teaching my kids at home

about “the long, long story of where we came from”, some genetics

work in my own schooling, some conversations on the group GFCFNN, perhaps

the book “Against the Grain”.

Etc, etc.etc.

Connie

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beatrice Garth

Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:52 PM