Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 To address a concern about ‘gluten’ ingredients…. I do not believe that the ingredients will contain ‘gluten’ but it may contain other ingredients that people should be aware of in case of other allergies or adverse reactions. Attached is a document that lists the ingredients. You can research the ingredients yourself or refer to http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ which has a search that you can find some of the ingredients and their level of toxicity. Maybe some one on the group can give a better search database. The Checkmate ingredients of most concern are : 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone - What is of deep concern, is that 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone binds to estrogen receptors not just in animals, but in humans. In other words, it signals people's bodies to take a specific biological action. " Rapidly increasing scientific evidence suggests that many of these chemicals, structures of which cross a wide range, can interfere with normal, hormonally regulated biological processes to adversely affect development and/or reproductive function in wildlife, experimental animals, and humans Another of the ingredients that was revealed, tricaprylyl methylammonium chloride, has a warning to avoid release in the environment! Tricaprylyl methyl ammonium chloride warnings from the manufacturer: Hazard codes: Xn - Harmful N - Dangerous for the environment Risk Statements: Harmful if swallowed. Irritating to the skin. Risk of serious damage to eyes. Very Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. Safety Statements: In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. Wear eye/face protection. This material and/or its container must be disposed of as hazardous waste. Avoid release to the environment. If you are concerned, please get more information and get involved with your city council to vote against this spraying. Albany, Berkeley, and Oakland have voted against this, but the California Department of Food and Agriculture has an ‘emergency’ approval to go ahead and do this despite the cities objections. We need to get the State to stop this and perform more research on the pesticide, or find alternative methods. You can also read more about it at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/06/MN69VD309.DTL Since I did not get any responses on my last e-mal and since this forum is for ‘celiac’ issues I will not get send any more e-mails about this subject. If you want more info about how to get involved, you can e-mail me directly. Eileen Groff From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases Yikes - presumably there is no gluten in this spray, is there? ----- Original Message ----- From: < > < > Sent: Sun Mar 02 13:49:36 2008 Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I totally agree about the ‘environmental’ links that can be weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why wee see more food allergies especially with young children…..This is also why I want to advise everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is going to happen over the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please get involved to fight this. For those that are not aware…. The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to spray the San Francisco Bay Area starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5 years or indefinitely until the moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz and Monterey counties using a synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in microscopic plastic capsules. • Hundreds of people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County have reported adverse health reactions. The spray has not been tested for long-term human toxicity and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules that could pose inhalation risks. • The spray contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the drowning of hundreds of waterfowl. • Biologists agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs. an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply, e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps. • CDFA itself says the moth has done no crop damage in California to date. Priority must be given to public and environmental health and safety over speculative economic loss. • The aerial spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the population, including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical sensitivity, It is on my mind all the time and has really got me freaked out, and very angry. I have a family with multiple allergies and also my son (6) has asthma. I am so scared to think about the potential/eminent health risks to me and my family. This is a very disconcerting situation. What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION • Sign the petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and become active! • Write letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your voice! • Ask your city council to follow the example of Albany and pass a resolution against the spraying. • Ask Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control. • Ask your Assemblymembers to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without consent and to do whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can be passed. • Ask your federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine of CA crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of safe pest control methods. • Tell CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on organic produce! Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I am about being a guinea pig for these chemicals - help fight this. See the following websites and blogs for more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT. http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htm http://www.stopthespray.org/ Eileen Groff ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate. My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it since starting my period at age nine. There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo would have gotten as bad as it did. Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but I was damn close. I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me… ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly high. There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory. Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come across them I'll send them. ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of flatcat9aol Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another. Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply " shows up in different organs in different people. H. In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes: I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way! Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My guess is that there will be more research into these things as time goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more to learn. ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I firmly believe that this stuff is one of the reasons for (what seems like) a rise in endometriosis (my other auto-immune ailment). Anything that disrupts or interferes with my estrogen in ANY way is very, very bad… I can’t believe the government is even CONSIDERING using this crap. What else can I do besides signing the petition? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Groff Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Bay Area Spraying To address a concern about ‘gluten’ ingredients…. I do not believe that the ingredients will contain ‘gluten’ but it may contain other ingredients that people should be aware of in case of other allergies or adverse reactions. Attached is a document that lists the ingredients. You can research the ingredients yourself or refer to http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ which has a search that you can find some of the ingredients and their level of toxicity. Maybe some one on the group can give a better search database. The Checkmate ingredients of most concern are : 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone - What is of deep concern, is that 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone binds to estrogen receptors not just in animals, but in humans. In other words, it signals people's bodies to take a specific biological action. " Rapidly increasing scientific evidence suggests that many of these chemicals, structures of which cross a wide range, can interfere with normal, hormonally regulated biological processes to adversely affect development and/or reproductive function in wildlife, experimental animals, and humans Another of the ingredients that was revealed, tricaprylyl methylammonium chloride, has a warning to avoid release in the environment! Tricaprylyl methyl ammonium chloride warnings from the manufacturer: Hazard codes: Xn - Harmful N - Dangerous for the environment Risk Statements: Harmful if swallowed. Irritating to the skin. Risk of serious damage to eyes. Very Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. Safety Statements: In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. Wear eye/face protection. This material and/or its container must be disposed of as hazardous waste. Avoid release to the environment. If you are concerned, please get more information and get involved with your city council to vote against this spraying. Albany, Berkeley, and Oakland have voted against this, but the California Department of Food and Agriculture has an ‘emergency’ approval to go ahead and do this despite the cities objections. We need to get the State to stop this and perform more research on the pesticide, or find alternative methods. You can also read more about it at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/06/MN69VD309.DTL Since I did not get any responses on my last e-mal and since this forum is for ‘celiac’ issues I will not get send any more e-mails about this subject. If you want more info about how to get involved, you can e-mail me directly. Eileen Groff From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases Yikes - presumably there is no gluten in this spray, is there? ----- Original Message ----- From: < > < > Sent: Sun Mar 02 13:49:36 2008 Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I totally agree about the ‘environmental’ links that can be weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why wee see more food allergies especially with young children…..This is also why I want to advise everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is going to happen over the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please get involved to fight this. For those that are not aware…. The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to spray the San Francisco Bay Area starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5 years or indefinitely until the moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz and Monterey counties using a synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in microscopic plastic capsules. • Hundreds of people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County have reported adverse health reactions. The spray has not been tested for long-term human toxicity and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules that could pose inhalation risks. • The spray contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the drowning of hundreds of waterfowl. • Biologists agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs. an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply, e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps. • CDFA itself says the moth has done no crop damage in California to date. Priority must be given to public and environmental health and safety over speculative economic loss. • The aerial spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the population, including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical sensitivity, It is on my mind all the time and has really got me freaked out, and very angry. I have a family with multiple allergies and also my son (6) has asthma. I am so scared to think about the potential/eminent health risks to me and my family. This is a very disconcerting situation. What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION • Sign the petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and become active! • Write letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your voice! • Ask your city council to follow the example of Albany and pass a resolution against the spraying. • Ask Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control. • Ask your Assemblymembers to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without consent and to do whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can be passed. • Ask your federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine of CA crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of safe pest control methods. • Tell CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on organic produce! Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I am about being a guinea pig for these chemicals - help fight this. See the following websites and blogs for more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT. http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htm http://www.stopthespray.org/ Eileen Groff ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate. My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it since starting my period at age nine. There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo would have gotten as bad as it did. Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but I was damn close. I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me… ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly high. There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory. Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come across them I'll send them. ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of flatcat9aol Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another. Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply " shows up in different organs in different people. H. In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes: I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way! Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My guess is that there will be more research into these things as time goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more to learn. ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 These are some steps that we can take: 1- March 20, send written comments to: Jim Rains, staff environmental scientist, California Department of Food and Agriculture Plant Health and Pest Prevention Services, 1220 N St., Room A-316, Sacramento, CA 95814. Although I went to an ‘informational’ meeting where he attended. He basically gave us the ‘information’ and then did not respond to any of our questions. It was just a session to gather information about what the public wants to see provided in the Environmental Impact Report which they will have ready to release in October 08…after the spraying has already started in August ’08. What a joke. 2- Write a postcard to support the new bills to require more information and other methods to fight the LBAM http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=8 & t=447 & p=769#p769 3- If your city has not yet passed a resolution to oppose the spraying, then write to your council members to do so. 4- Also write to our Governor and other state officials. http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=19 & t=230 5- Get the word out. Many people are still unaware of the scheduled spraying and the impacts it may have. Eileen From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Bay Area Spraying I firmly believe that this stuff is one of the reasons for (what seems like) a rise in endometriosis (my other auto-immune ailment). Anything that disrupts or interferes with my estrogen in ANY way is very, very bad… I can’t believe the government is even CONSIDERING using this crap. What else can I do besides signing the petition? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Groff Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Bay Area Spraying To address a concern about ‘gluten’ ingredients…. I do not believe that the ingredients will contain ‘gluten’ but it may contain other ingredients that people should be aware of in case of other allergies or adverse reactions. Attached is a document that lists the ingredients. You can research the ingredients yourself or refer to http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ which has a search that you can find some of the ingredients and their level of toxicity. Maybe some one on the group can give a better search database. The Checkmate ingredients of most concern are : 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone - What is of deep concern, is that 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone binds to estrogen receptors not just in animals, but in humans. In other words, it signals people's bodies to take a specific biological action. " Rapidly increasing scientific evidence suggests that many of these chemicals, structures of which cross a wide range, can interfere with normal, hormonally regulated biological processes to adversely affect development and/or reproductive function in wildlife, experimental animals, and humans Another of the ingredients that was revealed, tricaprylyl methylammonium chloride, has a warning to avoid release in the environment! Tricaprylyl methyl ammonium chloride warnings from the manufacturer: Hazard codes: Xn - Harmful N - Dangerous for the environment Risk Statements: Harmful if swallowed. Irritating to the skin. Risk of serious damage to eyes. Very Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment. Safety Statements: In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. Wear eye/face protection. This material and/or its container must be disposed of as hazardous waste. Avoid release to the environment. If you are concerned, please get more information and get involved with your city council to vote against this spraying. Albany, Berkeley, and Oakland have voted against this, but the California Department of Food and Agriculture has an ‘emergency’ approval to go ahead and do this despite the cities objections. We need to get the State to stop this and perform more research on the pesticide, or find alternative methods. You can also read more about it at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/06/MN69VD309.DTL Since I did not get any responses on my last e-mal and since this forum is for ‘celiac’ issues I will not get send any more e-mails about this subject. If you want more info about how to get involved, you can e-mail me directly. Eileen Groff From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases Yikes - presumably there is no gluten in this spray, is there? ----- Original Message ----- From: < > < > Sent: Sun Mar 02 13:49:36 2008 Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I totally agree about the ‘environmental’ links that can be weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why wee see more food allergies especially with young children…..This is also why I want to advise everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is going to happen over the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please get involved to fight this. For those that are not aware…. The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to spray the San Francisco Bay Area starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5 years or indefinitely until the moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz and Monterey counties using a synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in microscopic plastic capsules. • Hundreds of people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County have reported adverse health reactions. The spray has not been tested for long-term human toxicity and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules that could pose inhalation risks. • The spray contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the drowning of hundreds of waterfowl. • Biologists agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs. an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply, e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps. • CDFA itself says the moth has done no crop damage in California to date. Priority must be given to public and environmental health and safety over speculative economic loss. • The aerial spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the population, including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical sensitivity, It is on my mind all the time and has really got me freaked out, and very angry. I have a family with multiple allergies and also my son (6) has asthma. I am so scared to think about the potential/eminent health risks to me and my family. This is a very disconcerting situation. What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION • Sign the petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and become active! • Write letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your voice! • Ask your city council to follow the example of Albany and pass a resolution against the spraying. • Ask Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control. • Ask your Assemblymembers to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without consent and to do whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can be passed. • Ask your federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine of CA crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of safe pest control methods. • Tell CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on organic produce! Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I am about being a guinea pig for these chemicals - help fight this. See the following websites and blogs for more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT. http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htm http://www.stopthespray.org/ Eileen Groff ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate. My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it since starting my period at age nine. There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo would have gotten as bad as it did. Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but I was damn close. I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me… ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly high. There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory. Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come across them I'll send them. ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of flatcat9aol Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another. Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply " shows up in different organs in different people. H. In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes: I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way! Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My guess is that there will be more research into these things as time goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more to learn. ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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