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To address a concern about ‘gluten’

ingredients….

I do not believe that the ingredients will

contain ‘gluten’ but it may contain other ingredients that people

should be aware of in case of other allergies or adverse reactions.

Attached is a document that lists the

ingredients. You can research the ingredients yourself or refer to http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ which

has a search that you can find some of the ingredients and their level of

toxicity. Maybe some one on the group can give a better search database.

The Checkmate ingredients of most concern

are :

2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone - What

is of deep concern, is that 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone binds to

estrogen receptors not just in animals, but in humans. In other words, it

signals people's bodies to take a specific biological action. " Rapidly

increasing scientific evidence suggests that many of these chemicals,

structures of which cross a wide range, can interfere with normal, hormonally

regulated biological processes to adversely affect development and/or

reproductive function in wildlife, experimental animals, and humans

Another of the ingredients that was

revealed, tricaprylyl methylammonium chloride, has a warning to avoid release

in the environment! Tricaprylyl methyl ammonium chloride warnings from the

manufacturer:

Hazard codes:

Xn - Harmful

N - Dangerous for the

environment

Risk Statements:

Harmful if swallowed.

Irritating to the skin.

Risk of serious damage to

eyes.

Very Toxic to aquatic

organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment.

Safety Statements:

In case of contact with

eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice.

Wear eye/face protection.

This material and/or its

container must be disposed of as hazardous waste.

Avoid release to the

environment.

If you are concerned, please get more

information and get involved with your city council to vote against this

spraying. Albany, Berkeley,

and Oakland

have voted against this, but the California Department of Food and Agriculture has

an ‘emergency’ approval to go ahead and do this despite the cities objections.

We need to get the State to stop this and perform more research on the

pesticide, or find alternative methods. You can also read more about it at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/06/MN69VD309.DTL

Since I did not get any responses on my

last e-mal and since this forum is for ‘celiac’ issues I will not get

send any more e-mails about this subject. If you want more info about how to

get involved, you can e-mail me directly.

Eileen Groff

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bronwyn

Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:55

PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Auto-immune diseases

Yikes - presumably there is no gluten in this spray,

is there?

----- Original Message -----

From:

< >

< >

Sent: Sun Mar 02 13:49:36 2008

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I totally agree about the ‘environmental’ links that can be

weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why wee see more food

allergies especially with young children…..This is also why I want to advise

everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is going to happen over

the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please get involved to

fight this.

For those that are not aware….

The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to

spray the San Francisco Bay Area starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5

years or indefinitely until the moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar

campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz and Monterey counties using a

synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in microscopic plastic

capsules.

• Hundreds of

people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County

have reported adverse health reactions. The spray has not been tested for

long-term human toxicity and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules

that could pose inhalation risks.

• The spray

contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as

surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the drowning

of hundreds of waterfowl.

• Biologists

agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control

method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs.

an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply,

e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps.

• CDFA itself

says the moth has done no crop damage in California

to date. Priority must be given to public and environmental health and safety

over speculative economic loss.

• The aerial

spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the population,

including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical

sensitivity,

It is on my mind all the time and has really got me freaked out, and very

angry. I have a family with multiple allergies and also my son (6) has

asthma. I am so scared to think about the potential/eminent health risks to me

and my family. This is a very disconcerting situation.

What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION

• Sign the

petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and

become active!

• Write

letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your

voice!

• Ask your

city council to follow the example of Albany

and pass a resolution against the spraying.

• Ask

Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program

and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control.

• Ask your

Assemblymembers to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without

consent and to do whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can

be passed.

• Ask your

federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine of CA

crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of safe pest

control methods.

• Tell

CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on

organic produce!

Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I am about being a guinea pig for these

chemicals - help fight this.

See the following websites and blogs for more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT.

http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htm

http://www.stopthespray.org/

Eileen Groff

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate.

My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it

since starting my period at age nine.

There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me

wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to

my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo

would have gotten as bad as it did.

Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be

wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but

I was damn close.

I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems

like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me…

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a

google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the

likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with

celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac

disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine

was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly

high.

There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease

causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the

breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the

system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I

have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory.

Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not

hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition

but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come

across them I'll send them.

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of flatcat9aol

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is

extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.

Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply "

shows up in different organs in different people.

H.

In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes:

I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face

multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune

problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our

immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other

problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!

Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My

guess is that there will be more research into these things as time

goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early

stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more

to learn.

**************

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I firmly believe that this stuff is one of

the reasons for (what seems like) a rise in endometriosis (my other auto-immune

ailment). Anything that disrupts or interferes with my estrogen in ANY

way is very, very bad…

I can’t believe the government is

even CONSIDERING using this crap.

What else can I do besides signing the

petition?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Groff

Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:52

AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Bay

Area Spraying

To address a concern about ‘gluten’ ingredients….

I do not believe that the ingredients will contain

‘gluten’ but it may contain other ingredients that people should be

aware of in case of other allergies or adverse reactions.

Attached is a document that lists the ingredients. You can research

the ingredients yourself or refer to http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/

which has a search that you can find some of the ingredients and their level of

toxicity. Maybe some one on the group can give a better search database.

The Checkmate ingredients of most concern are :

2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone - What is of deep

concern, is that 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone binds to estrogen

receptors not just in animals, but in humans. In other words, it signals

people's bodies to take a specific biological action. " Rapidly increasing

scientific evidence suggests that many of these chemicals, structures of which

cross a wide range, can interfere with normal, hormonally regulated biological

processes to adversely affect development and/or reproductive function in

wildlife, experimental animals, and humans

Another of the ingredients that was revealed, tricaprylyl

methylammonium chloride, has a warning to avoid release in the environment!

Tricaprylyl methyl ammonium chloride warnings from the manufacturer:

Hazard codes:

Xn - Harmful

N - Dangerous for the environment

Risk Statements:

Harmful if swallowed.

Irritating to the skin.

Risk of serious damage to eyes.

Very Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse

effects in the aquatic environment.

Safety Statements:

In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of

water and seek medical advice.

Wear eye/face protection.

This material and/or its container must be disposed of as hazardous

waste.

Avoid release to the environment.

If you are concerned, please get more information and get involved

with your city council to vote against this spraying. Albany,

Berkeley, and Oakland have

voted against this, but the California Department of Food and Agriculture has

an ‘emergency’ approval to go ahead and do this despite the cities

objections. We need to get the State to stop this and perform more research on

the pesticide, or find alternative methods. You can also read more about it at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/06/MN69VD309.DTL

Since I did not get any responses on my last e-mal and since this

forum is for ‘celiac’ issues I will not get send any more e-mails

about this subject. If you want more info about how to get involved, you can

e-mail me directly.

Eileen Groff

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:55

PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Auto-immune diseases

Yikes -

presumably there is no gluten in this spray, is there?

----- Original Message -----

From:

< >

< >

Sent: Sun Mar 02 13:49:36 2008

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I totally agree about the ‘environmental’ links that can be

weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why wee see more food

allergies especially with young children…..This is also why I want to

advise everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is going to happen

over the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please get involved to

fight this.

For those that are not aware….

The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to

spray the San Francisco Bay Area starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5

years or indefinitely until the moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar

campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz

and Monterey

counties using a synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in

microscopic plastic capsules.

• Hundreds of

people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County have reported adverse

health reactions. The spray has not been tested for long-term human toxicity

and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules that could pose inhalation

risks.

• The spray

contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as

surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the

drowning of hundreds of waterfowl.

• Biologists

agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control

method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs.

an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply,

e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps.

• CDFA itself

says the moth has done no crop damage in California to date. Priority

must be given to public and environmental health and safety over speculative

economic loss.

• The aerial

spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the population,

including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical

sensitivity,

It is on my mind all the time and has really got me freaked out, and very

angry. I have a family with multiple allergies and also my son (6) has

asthma. I am so scared to think about the potential/eminent health risks to me

and my family. This is a very disconcerting situation.

What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION

• Sign the

petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and

become active!

• Write

letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your

voice!

• Ask your

city council to follow the example of Albany and pass a resolution

against the spraying.

• Ask

Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program

and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control.

• Ask your

Assemblymembers to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without

consent and to do whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can

be passed.

• Ask your

federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine of CA

crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of safe pest

control methods.

• Tell

CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on

organic produce!

Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I am about being a guinea pig for these

chemicals - help fight this.

See the following websites and blogs for more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT.

http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htm

http://www.stopthespray.org/

Eileen Groff

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate.

My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it

since starting my period at age nine.

There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me

wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to

my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo

would have gotten as bad as it did.

Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be

wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but

I was damn close.

I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems

like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me…

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a

google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the

likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with

celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac

disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine

was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly

high.

There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease

causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the

breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the

system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I

have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory.

Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not

hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition

but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come

across them I'll send them.

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of flatcat9aol

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is

extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.

Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply "

shows up in different organs in different people.

H.

In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes:

I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face

multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune

problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our

immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other

problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!

Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My

guess is that there will be more research into these things as time

goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early

stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more

to learn.

**************

Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

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These are some steps that we can take:

1- March 20, send written comments to: Jim Rains, staff environmental

scientist, California Department of Food and Agriculture Plant Health and Pest

Prevention Services, 1220 N St., Room A-316, Sacramento, CA 95814. Although I went to an ‘informational’

meeting where he attended. He basically gave us the ‘information’

and then did not respond to any of our questions. It was just a session to

gather information about what the public wants to see provided in the

Environmental Impact Report which they will have ready to release in October 08…after

the spraying has already started in August ’08. What a joke.

2- Write a postcard to support the new bills to require more

information and other methods to fight the LBAM http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=8 & t=447 & p=769#p769

3- If your city has not yet passed a resolution to oppose the

spraying, then write to your council members to do so.

4- Also write to our Governor and other state officials. http://forum.stopthespray.org/viewtopic.php?f=19 & t=230

5- Get the word out. Many people are still unaware of the scheduled

spraying and the impacts it may have.

Eileen

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan

Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:54

PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Bay

Area Spraying

I firmly believe that this stuff is one of the reasons for (what

seems like) a rise in endometriosis (my other auto-immune ailment).

Anything that disrupts or interferes with my estrogen in ANY way is very, very

bad…

I can’t believe the government is even CONSIDERING using this

crap.

What else can I do besides signing the petition?

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Groff

Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:52

AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Bay

Area Spraying

To address a concern about ‘gluten’ ingredients….

I do not believe that the ingredients will contain

‘gluten’ but it may contain other ingredients that people should be

aware of in case of other allergies or adverse reactions.

Attached is a document that lists the ingredients. You can research

the ingredients yourself or refer to http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/

which has a search that you can find some of the ingredients and their level of

toxicity. Maybe some one on the group can give a better search database.

The Checkmate ingredients of most concern are :

2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone - What is of deep

concern, is that 2-hydroxy-4-n-octyloxybenzophenone binds to estrogen

receptors not just in animals, but in humans. In other words, it signals

people's bodies to take a specific biological action. " Rapidly increasing

scientific evidence suggests that many of these chemicals, structures of which

cross a wide range, can interfere with normal, hormonally regulated biological

processes to adversely affect development and/or reproductive function in

wildlife, experimental animals, and humans

Another of the ingredients that was revealed, tricaprylyl methylammonium

chloride, has a warning to avoid release in the environment! Tricaprylyl methyl

ammonium chloride warnings from the manufacturer:

Hazard codes:

Xn - Harmful

N - Dangerous for the environment

Risk Statements:

Harmful if swallowed.

Irritating to the skin.

Risk of serious damage to eyes.

Very Toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse

effects in the aquatic environment.

Safety Statements:

In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of

water and seek medical advice.

Wear eye/face protection.

This material and/or its container must be disposed of as hazardous

waste.

Avoid release to the environment.

If you are concerned, please get more information and get involved with

your city council to vote against this spraying. Albany,

Berkeley, and Oakland

have voted against this, but the California Department of Food and Agriculture

has an ‘emergency’ approval to go ahead and do this despite the

cities objections. We need to get the State to stop this and perform more

research on the pesticide, or find alternative methods. You can also read more

about it at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/06/MN69VD309.DTL

Since I did not get any responses on my last e-mal and since this

forum is for ‘celiac’ issues I will not get send any more e-mails

about this subject. If you want more info about how to get involved, you can

e-mail me directly.

Eileen Groff

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:55

PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune

diseases

Yikes -

presumably there is no gluten in this spray, is there?

----- Original Message -----

From:

< >

< >

Sent: Sun Mar 02 13:49:36 2008

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I totally agree about the ‘environmental’ links that can be

weakening all of our immune systems….which is also why wee see more food

allergies especially with young children…..This is also why I want to

advise everyone about the scheduled pesticide spraying that is going to happen

over the Bay Area and ask for anyone who is concerned to please get involved to

fight this.

For those that are not aware….

The California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has announced plans to

spray the San Francisco Bay Area starting August 1st, 2008 each month for 3 - 5

years or indefinitely until the moth is eradicated. The 75 million dollar

campaign began in 2007 in Santa Cruz

and Monterey

counties using a synthetic pheromone along with other chemicals encased in

microscopic plastic capsules.

• Hundreds of

people in Santa Cruz and Monterey County have

reported adverse health reactions. The spray has not been tested for long-term

human toxicity and is being applied in microscopic plastic capsules that could

pose inhalation risks.

• The spray

contains ingredients that are highly toxic to aquatic species, as well as

surfactants, that might have contributed to algae bloom (red tide) and the

drowning of hundreds of waterfowl.

• Biologists

agree that the spraying - an outdated, unsustainable, expensive pest control

method - will not eradicate the moth. The CDFA should switch to a control vs.

an eradication program using least-toxic methods that farmers already apply,

e.g. pheromone baited sticky traps.

• CDFA itself

says the moth has done no crop damage in California to date.

Priority must be given to public and environmental health and safety over

speculative economic loss.

• The aerial

spray program disproportionately impacts vulnerable segments of the population,

including those with the recognized disability of multiple chemical

sensitivity,

It is on my mind all the time and has really got me freaked out, and very

angry. I have a family with multiple allergies and also my son (6) has

asthma. I am so scared to think about the potential/eminent health risks to me

and my family. This is a very disconcerting situation.

What can we do ? - TAKE ACTION

• Sign the

petition at www.stopthespray.org, get informed, attend a meeting and

become active!

• Write

letters to the editor, contact radio and television stations –raise your

voice!

• Ask your

city council to follow the example of Albany and pass a

resolution against the spraying.

• Ask

Governor Schwarzenegger and CDFA secretary Kawamura to stop the spray program

and shift to sustainable methods of least-toxic pest control.

• Ask your Assemblymembers

to support proposed legislation to stop spraying without consent and to do

whatever they can to stop the spraying until legislation can be passed.

• Ask your

federal congressional representatives and senators to lift the quarantine of CA

crops due to LBAM finds, and to make funding contingent on the use of safe pest

control methods.

• Tell

CCOF/NOP to defend the integrity of the organic label: no toxic chemicals on

organic produce!

Please !!!!! If you are as concerned as I am about being a guinea pig for these

chemicals - help fight this.

See the following websites and blogs for more info….AND GET THE WORD OUT.

http://www.lbamspray.com/Fact%20Sheet.htm

http://www.stopthespray.org/

Eileen Groff

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Lillyth Denaghy Keogh-Quillan

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:47 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

It really makes me wonder – the whole AD debate.

My other AD is endometriosis (endo for short) and I’ve had symptoms of it

since starting my period at age nine.

There have been studies done on environmental links to endo, and it makes me

wonder, if I hadn’t spent 20+ years ingesting grains that were harmful to

my body & didn’t allow me to properly absorb my nutrients if my endo

would have gotten as bad as it did.

Unfortunately, that is something we will never know, but it still makes be

wonder. I wasn’t over 30 when I figured out the whole CD thing, but

I was damn close.

I wonder if the scientists will ever answer this one – it sorta seems

like the chicken/egg debate if you ask me…

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bronwyn Syiek

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:29 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I don't have the research papers to hand - but they are easy to find on a

google search. The research shows (if I remember correctly) that the

likelihood of the emergence of a second auto-immune disease in people with

celiac disease is directly proportional to the age of diagnosis of celiac

disease and that, if celiac disease is not diagnosed until 30 years plus (mine

was about 40) the prevalence of a second auto-immune disease is incredibly

high.

There are two theories of causality - one discusses whether celiac disease

causes the other auto-immune diseases. The other discusses whether the

breakdown of the intestinal barrier function allows triggers to enter the

system - and thus cause the other diseases. Please, don't flame me if I

have mis-quoted these two papers. I am recalling from memory.

Please look them up if you want to read the exact medical jargon - I am not

hung up on whether I use the right technical jargon to descrbie the condition

but i am pretty certain I am relaying the sense of these papers - if I come

across them I'll send them.

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of flatcat9aol

Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:11 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Auto-immune diseases

I can't remember the statistics right now, but having more than one AD is

extremely common. I've read that one untreated AD can trigger another.

Some researchers believe that there is only one AD -- it " simply "

shows up in different organs in different people.

H.

In a message dated 3/2/08 9:03:28 AM, UBearaol writes:

I know a number of friends who also have auto-immune issues, and face

multiple significant health problems, sometimes other auto-immune

problems in addition to the first one. It seems to me that once our

immune systems get out of whack, it is pretty common for other

problems to arise, as hard as it is. I wish it weren't that way!

Sometimes I wonder in which way(s) it could all be connected. My

guess is that there will be more research into these things as time

goes by; I think in many ways, medical science is still in the early

stages of studying auto-immune functions. I think there is much more

to learn.

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