Guest guest Posted November 2, 2002 Report Share Posted November 2, 2002 I have to agree that the Bragg company needs a bit of a make over. I tried to place a phone order and I don't think the person who answered the phone knew how to take an order. So I ended up finding what I needed on the net. Also, I do agree about the book being a lot of hype, but I found it to also be a good starting point. And, I do like their products. For allergies and food sensitivities: I make a drink with apple cider vinegar (1 tablespoon), ascorbic acid (1/2 tsp) magnesium citrate (1/2/tsp) raw 32 ounces of Prill water and stevia to taste. The combination of the ascorbic acid and the ACV seems to help a great deal with my food sensitivities (less shakes, weakness and/or headaches after I eat). I drink about 10 oz. with meals. I eat the fermented foods with every meal for digestion, as well as the other health benefits we have talked about in this group. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " darkstardog " <darkstar@...> < > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:39 PM Subject: Re: vinegar > > > You might want to read the book by Bragg on Apple Cider > Vinegar. > > I've looked through her book and it's pretty devoid of hard > information and has way too much hype. I emailed Bragg's and > also called them with some questions, and the responses I got were > very unhelpful. You'd think with their talk about minerals etc. > they'd be able to provide an analysis of their product, for example - > you'd think they would be PROUD to. But no, they don't give you > actual numbers, just loose phrases. Also the customer service person > who took my phone call had only a vague idea of how their vinegar was > made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 Hi all, I have been using ACV (raw, unfiltered) on my face for years. I dilute it at about 1 part ACV to 2 parts water. I keep it in a glass pump bottle on the bathroom counter. It also works great for my teenage son's acne & after he shaves. He did not like the smell at first but doesn't seem to mind it now. I also use ACV for many little first aid things like rashes, insect bites, localized infections, etc. Works GREAT! Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Eibhlin wrote: > > Hi Persian, > > I don't know what to think about it but what if it is true, > Not good! I've been giving my 5 yr. old the Super Tonic everyday > and that has apple cider vinegar in it.. I'd like to find out if this > is true. I surely don't want to hurt my son.. > > Eibhlin > ====================== Hi Eibhlin, If you are using unpasteurized 5% organic apple cider vinegar in your super tonic you have nothing to worry about. You will not harm your son in the least. Vinegar has been in use for thousands of years all over the world. -- Peace, love and light, Don " Quai " Eitner " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " -- In compliance with the highest standards of Universal Law, this email has been thoroughly disinfected and purified in the solar flares of the sun. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.302 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I think this article is referring to regular apple cider vinegar. If you use raw organic apple cider vinegar (such as Braggs), it is a food substance that is actually good for the body. Sharyn From: Eibhlin [mailto:eibhlinyah@...] I don't know what to think about it but what if it is true, Not good! I've been giving my 5 yr. old the Super Tonic everyday and that has apple cider vinegar in it.. I'd like to find out if this is true. I surely don't want to hurt my son.. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.302 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Persian wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:33:22 +0100, Don Quai wrote: > > ====================== > > Hi Eibhlin, > > > > If you are using unpasteurized 5% organic apple cider vinegar in your > > super tonic you have nothing to worry about. You will not harm your son > > in the least. Vinegar has been in use for thousands of years all over > > the world. > > > > I don't know what 5% means, I just buy organic ACV at the HFS and > I thought the instructions for the PP were 50% that and 50% molasses > cos that's how I was making it? > > Are you saying the vinegar should have been diluted first? > > Persian =============================== ACV is usually diluted to 5% acidity. This is so it is not so, well, acidic. Otherwise it would burn your skin and innards too much. You can use regular acv straight on your skin but you might notice a little redness develope because of it. This is due to the acidity and is a very slight acid burn. That is all I am saying. For use in the organic iron just use the regular acv, no need to dilute it. -- Peace, love and light, Don " Quai " Eitner " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " -- In compliance with the highest standards of Universal Law, this email has been thoroughly disinfected and purified in the solar flares of the sun. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.302 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Apparently fruit juice and other products are made from fruit that is not whole, usually made from fruit that is not saleable as whole fruit, i.e. because it has gone soft, so moldy. Then also the action of fermenting actively involves mold to break it down, to ferment it. If you are full of mold/fungus or toxins you don't want to increase your load with moldy products or products that have been fermented. If you are not sick with mold or toxins, most people can tolerate okay. However vinegar is good at cleaning up, killing mold, go figure that one out! That one I can't figure out but I guess it plays a part in making vinegar. When it gets very acidic and vinegar has been formed, mold is killed off, that is why it is so stable. I think it is hard to understand also. But look at mold-survivor/diet, amoung other references. My doctor told me to avoid vinegar too. I also have tough time with lemons, told to eat them to 'alkalize'. However lemons are acidic. If you google pH, lemons are cited on the high acid end, not alkaline. However everywhere you are told to have lemons to alkalinize. I've love to understand that one too. --- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote: > vinegar comes from rotten apples, not the best > part of the crop. > > Barbara <floridabound03200@...> wrote: > Leigh, > > Please explain what you mean by " not good. " > > " Not Good, " in what way? > > Barb E. > > --- Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> > wrote: > > > vinegar is not good for mold sensiitve > people. > > > > elvira52 <Elvira52@...> wrote: > > > The Smell of Mold is so > bad in > > my Place I used Vinegar To wipe things down, > to > > take the order away so far it's working I > put > > Vinegar in a vase. next to my bed and > corners all > > around it help to take away the smell of > mold it > > may work for others it sure helped me and > keep me > > from sleeping in my car. > > > > Elvira > > > > [] Re: new > member/mold > > questions > > > > live simply, please be careful about > telling people > > to clean up > > their mold. it should be tested first > dont you > > think so? what if it > > is stachy or other toxic fungi, a hepa > mask does > > not protect you from > > mycotoxins. some situations do require > > professional clean up and some > > homes are beyond cleaning up. by telling > someone > > to clean it up you > > may be telling them to stir up toxic > fungi that > > well make them even > > more ill. you desideing to stay in your > moldy > > home does not mean > > everyone should or can. if she is finding > a lot > > of evidence of > > possible past and/or continueing mold > growth, > > painted over, there is > > a chance the home had a mold problem > prior to her > > buying it witch may > > of had remediation done on it before and > its > > coming back. if it has > > had a long term mold problem it may be > infested > > into the walls and > > cealing joists and no amount of cleaning > is going > > to do any good but > > could make her much sicker by trying to > clean it > > up. and please be > > careful about saying that mold has to > have a > > serious moisture problem > > because that is not true either. > stachybotrys can > > and does servive > > drier conditions. think about it. stachy > becomes > > dangerous when it > > becomes airborne, it doesn't become > airborne > > until it dries. > > mycotoxins attach to the spores and can > be > > released everytime it gets > > stirred up.its been tested and found that > it > > remains toxic for > > several years even when dry, every single > spore > > should be removed, > > thats basically imposible and may be part > of the > > reason that > > remediation doesn't always work. unless > she wants > > to live with gutted > > out walls to try to keep even one little > spore > > from again becomeing > > many. also, I have to wonder where you > live and > > what you do in the > > winter when you cant open the windows. I > was even > > more exposed in my > > home during winter months because the > heating > > system caused those dry > > mold spores to stay stirred up. I would > take > > great caution when > > telling someone to clean it up, as your > and their > > situation could be > > a lot > > different. > > > > > > > > Hi, I am a new member. I am also new > to > > researching mold, and I > > have some questions if someone could > please help > > me. > > > > > > > > We moved into an older home 4 years > ago. > > Within a couple weeks of > > moving in, we had >mold growing on the > 2nd floor > > bathroom ceiling > > (they must have painted to cover it up). > >Shortly > > after that, it > > began growing on the walls. It is a black > mold, > > but probably not > > *the* >black mold. We have since treated > the > > walls with killz, but > > the black mold still grows in the >toilet > bowl, > > toothbrush holder, > > etc. > > > > > > Do you have a vent fan in your bathroom > > ceiling. If not, you need to > > > install one now. Mold does not grow > that way > > without major humidity > > in > > > the air. > > > > > > >I also didn't make a connection until > last > > weekend, but the > > basement > > > walls were also painted, and they left > a small > > dehumidifier in the > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 I doubt if vinegar would be at all effective in neutralizing mycotoxins because it is an acid and not a base, so it does not oxidize mycotoxins. Mold spores require one kind of treatment (something that makes them unable to germinate) and mycotoxins another (something that makes them nontoxic to humans) Given the huge variety of mycotoxins, hundreds or even thousands, the best candidates are chemicals that are effective in breaking down LOTS of chemical bonds.. Thats why I would stick with the recommendations of the experts - bleach, ammonia, etc. But - be CAREFUL to use these strong chemicals in a safe manner.. Experts have told me that often, the use of bleach ends up injuring people's lungs substantially and these biocides (meaning 'killing all living things' MUST BE REMOVED COMPLETELY along with the mold-toxin laden debris which they have removed when the period that they must be left on to do their work (typically 15 minutes) is over... Then the area has to be rinsed thoroughly with water and then the area needs to be dried with a heater... On 11/17/06, smarshwar <smarshwar@...> wrote: > > When I was using a nebulizer the instructions were to soak the cup in > vinegar and hot water to sanitize it. So, I assume that vinegar does > disinfect. To clean mold spores and/or toxins from non-porous surfaces > I was advised to use a weak dilution of bleach. > > - > > > > > > I thought vinegar was just good to clean with but not to KILL mold. > > Is it an " anti-bacterial " ?? Like for kitchen counters??? > > felice > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Vinegar is known to be an anti-fungal. Many here have tested it on areas where mold was known to grow continuously. After applying pure white distilled vinegar the mold never returned. Also, very effective for cold sores/ear infections/cuts and so forth. So, I think if you would investigate it you would find it can be very effective. However, with toxic mold it must be removed. IMOP it would a wonderful thing to spray the area with before removing it, this also help keep the spores from flying thru the air. Also, a wonderful natural product to clean items with that can be returned to the home. Such as dishes, silverware, appliances, walls, floors (hard surface items). As for mattresses, couches, and so forth yes there is a VERY specific way to clean these and should be done by a professional. As we had a similar discussion a few months ago, it would also be good to include in the washing of effected clothing. For people with MCS distilled white vinegar is all they use to clean with. That is what we use. Surprisingly it is a wonderful cleaner. Works better than any expensive product I have used, and after the an hour when the smell has went away your home smells wonderful. As for bleach. You should really investigate that. Bleach on mold can cause another toxic reaction, and bleach in its self is very toxic on the lungs. Most experts will warn you about using bleach to clean mold. If you are MCS it can be VERY reactive. So, I would extremely careful with the bleach. Ammonia is a wonderful cleaner. But again you must remember that most people who have been exposed to large doses of mold do have some sort of MCS. Ammonia is very harmful to the lungs. Also, I have never seen or heard of anyone recommending that to clean mold. IMOP again I would stay away from the chemicals. NEVER mix bleach and ammonia. That is one lethal mix. If you read the EPA guidelines the never mention any chemicals. They only mention water and a mild detergent. EPA even states " The use of biocide, such as chlorine bleach, is not recommended as a routine practice. " Also, some do use bleach. Some even say you can watch the bleach remove the mold. Remember it is bleach. Mold is dark. If you apply bleach to mold doesn't it make sense that mold would lighten and even look like it disappeared? I have done the experiment. But, the mold comes right back with in a couple of weeks. So, does it really kill the mold or just bleach it? Everyone has there own opinion, and way of doing this. So, you need all the info you can get so that you can make an informed decision. Also, one that you are comfortable with. That's what makes this group to nice, you get many different opinions then you can weigh them all and make your own decision. [] Re: vinegar When I was using a nebulizer the instructions were to soak the cup in vinegar and hot water to sanitize it. So, I assume that vinegar does disinfect. To clean mold spores and/or toxins from non-porous surfaces I was advised to use a weak dilution of bleach. - --- Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 In a message dated 11/18/2006 9:09:58 AM Central Standard Time, eaglestone@... writes: As for mattresses, couches, and so forth yes there is a VERY specific way to clean these and should be done by a professional. As we had a similar discussion a few months ago , I must have missed this discussion. I have a few expensive pieces of furniture left in storage. I only know of remediation companies that HEPA vacuum these items. Could you please tell me more about what professionals would be available to clean these items that were in an environment contaminated with mycotoxins. I have heard of this being done with paperwork but could not find the source. Do you know how they do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Malt vinegar is the only vinegar that contains gluten. Others are safe for us. I think that celiac.com still carries a discussion of this; if not, you can google for more complete information. H. In a message dated 4/22/08 1:11:12 PM, nell@... writes: Hi, I am new at all this with my 2 yr. old just diagnosed this month. What is the deal with vinegar?? How does that contain gluten? Thanks for any info on obscure ingredients that I need to be concerned about. Nell **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 According to celiac.com: "White vinegar or just plain vinegar are typically distilled, and, if so, are gluten-free. Distilled vinegar can be distilled from wheat, corn, potatoes, beets, wood, apples and many other things. Most in the USA are not made from wheat, but are instead made from corn, potatoes or wood, which are all safe (Heinz white vinegar is distilled from corn). Distilled vinegars that are made from wheat are probably gluten-free because of the distillation process described in Frederik Willem Janssens article on this site. Distilled vinegar made from wood are gluten-free. Wood-based vinegar is often the vinegar used in processed foods. Flavored vinegars are made with white, distilled vinegar, and flavorings are then added. Some of these may also not be gluten-free (the cheapest vinegars are used since the flavors are masked by the herbs and flavoring). Malted vinegars are usually not gluten-free. Red and white wine and balsamic vinegars are gluten-free." H. In a message dated 4/22/08 3:00:24 PM, l@... writes: I thought that "white vinegar" is made from grains including wheat, and unless distilled, may contain gluten. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 I thought that " white vinegar " is made from grains including wheat, and unless distilled, may contain gluten. On 4/22/08, flatcat9@... <flatcat9@...> wrote: > Malt vinegar is the only vinegar that contains gluten. Others are safe for > us. I think that celiac.com still carries a discussion of this; if not, you > can google for more complete information. > H. > > In a message dated 4/22/08 1:11:12 PM, nell@... writes: > > > > > > Hi, I am new at all this with my 2 yr. old just diagnosed this month. > > What is the deal with vinegar?? > > > > How does that contain gluten? > > > > Thanks for any info on obscure ingredients that I need to be concerned > > about. > > Nell > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Thanks for the info. This is how I would sum it up: unless otherwise stated, 'white vinegar' may possibly be from wheat and may not be distilled and may possibly contain gluten. It may not be, but there is no way to be sure unless the source or distilled are labelled as well. On 4/22/08, flatcat9@... <flatcat9@...> wrote: > According to celiac.com: > > " White vinegar or just plain vinegar are typically distilled, and, if so, > are > gluten-free. Distilled vinegar can be distilled from wheat, corn, potatoes, > beets, wood, apples and many other things. Most in the USA are not made from > wheat, but are instead made from corn, potatoes or wood, which are all safe > (Heinz white vinegar is distilled from corn). Distilled vinegars that are > made > from wheat are probably gluten-free because of the distillation process > described > in Frederik Willem Janssens article on this site. > > Distilled vinegar made from wood are gluten-free. Wood-based vinegar is > often > the vinegar used in processed foods. > > Flavored vinegars are made with white, distilled vinegar, and flavorings are > then added. Some of these may also not be gluten-free (the cheapest vinegars > are used since the flavors are masked by the herbs and flavoring). > > Malted vinegars are usually not gluten-free. > > Red and white wine and balsamic vinegars are gluten-free. " > > H. > > In a message dated 4/22/08 3:00:24 PM, l@... writes: > > > > > > I thought that " white vinegar " is made from grains including wheat, > > and unless distilled, may contain gluten. > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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