Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Can anyone tell me how this works? I know it is different with each child, but is speech gained usually slowly and steadily once the pathway is opened for speech? Or is it an all of the sudden thing where kids just start talking sentences. My son is five and probably has five words he uses. He understands what you say to him, it is just so hard for him to get it out. Will it always be like this or will he eventually get it. I know kids can start talking at anytime and there is no guide line or no window of opportunity that closes but I was just wondering? Jen **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Jen, Just trying to get a handle on what is happening with your boy. When you say he has 5 words that he uses.... do you mean that he uses the same 5 words over and over again or that he is speaking in 5 word phrases? When you say that he is having trouble getting it out are you saying that he is having problems with #1) Word finding (struggling to retrieve the word from his mind), #2) trouble physically saying the word (ie. oral motor issues)? To increase your boys' vocabulary, try getting some single syllable pictures and make 'picture flashcards' of various objects. Rapidly flash the card at your child and say the word as you go. NACD has people do this vary fast.... 1 to 2 second flash per card. This keeps the child engaged and interested. Do this exercise for 3-5 minutes several times a day. Later on I would try to prompt him to say the word but for the first little while (like a month), I would just flash the card at him. You must do this with 'high' intensity and cheer; the brain responds to 3 things; frequency, intensity and duration. So you do the exercise with high frequency during the day, make it really upbeat and intense for the child to open that pathway for learning in the brain. Word finding: This would pertain to auditory memory issues. To work your sons' auditory memory, continuously give him one step instructions throughout the day. ie. give mommy a kiss. Get your truck, get your socks, etc. When he is proficient at one step commands, add a step and make this a two step command. I know this does not appear to have a lot of relavance to speech but in truth.... it really, really does. We need our auditory memory to be able to 'hold' and 'retain' information in order to 'find' it in our minds and repeat it out when we wish. In addition, further information that I have read indicates that children are uncapable of learning multi-sylabic words until their processing increases to certain levels. For nonverbal kids, NACD uses the single step and multi-step command technique to get their auditory processing to a high enough level where they begin to develop language. Oral Motor issues: I'm sure that I have posted a few oral motor exercises on this board many, many times. Check the archives or write me back and I will jot some out for you to work on. We want to work that tongue! Gotta run right now as my daughter is wanting the computer. Let me know if you think any of these might be helpful for you or if I've completely misunderstood what might be going on with your boy. Together perhaps we can put some type of exercises that will help him get his speech pathways more clear. Note: Have you tried any of the methylation supplements or B12 shots? DMG or TMG (bettaine) sometimes really helps to get those pathways going. What are you doing for therapy at present? Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM]Re: [ ] more words Can anyone tell me how this works? I know it is different with each child, but is speech gained usually slowly and steadily once the pathway is opened for speech? Or is it an all of the sudden thing where kids just start talking sentences. My son is five and probably has five words he uses. He understands what you say to him, it is just so hard for him to get it out. Will it always be like this or will he eventually get it. I know kids can start talking at anytime and there is no guide line or no window of opportunity that closes but I was just wondering? Jen **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Jen, I wish I knew the answer to your question. My boys are 4 1/2 and don't have any words at all. When did your son start saying his first word and how quickly did the five words come in after that? I just keep praying, hoping, and working with my boys. Dana From: jennyjudy@... <jennyjudy@...> Subject: Re: [ ] more words Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:07 PM Can anyone tell me how this works? I know it is different with each child, but is speech gained usually slowly and steadily once the pathway is opened for speech? Or is it an all of the sudden thing where kids just start talking sentences. My son is five and probably has five words he uses. He understands what you say to him, it is just so hard for him to get it out. Will it always be like this or will he eventually get it. I know kids can start talking at anytime and there is no guide line or no window of opportunity that closes but I was just wondering? Jen ************ **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin= new-dp & icid= aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolco m00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Dana: Just within the last 6 monthes he started saying up, then his two favorite foods, apple pie, and pizza, came after that. It is so hard to know what to do. I pray and work with my son too, so we are in the same boat, it does get scarier as they get older. I keep thinking what if he never talks, but there is no time frame on when they learn to talk, I heard of one child that started talking at 13, I guess we just cannot give up hope. We have to believe our kids will talk, even though it is so hard sometimes. If you ever want to talk or e mail me off line feel free, Jen **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Hi Janice- It is so true that until my son could follow a single step command, he couldn't spontaneously produce multi-syllabic words. He can now follow 2-step commands and he is saying multi-syllabic words AND putting two word phrases together all the time now. Is this indicative of an auditory processing issue, or just the normal development of language? Fascinating! Penny http://twoplusoneequalsfive.blogspot.com/ > > Jen, > > Just trying to get a handle on what is happening with your boy. When you say he has 5 words that he uses.... do you mean that he uses the same 5 words over and over again or that he is speaking in 5 word phrases? > > When you say that he is having trouble getting it out are you saying that he is having problems with #1) Word finding (struggling to retrieve the word from his mind), #2) trouble physically saying the word (ie. oral motor issues)? > > To increase your boys' vocabulary, try getting some single syllable pictures and make 'picture flashcards' of various objects. Rapidly flash the card at your child and say the word as you go. NACD has people do this vary fast.... 1 to 2 second flash per card. This keeps the child engaged and interested. Do this exercise for 3-5 minutes several times a day. Later on I would try to prompt him to say the word but for the first little while (like a month), I would just flash the card at him. You must do this with 'high' intensity and cheer; the brain responds to 3 things; frequency, intensity and duration. So you do the exercise with high frequency during the day, make it really upbeat and intense for the child to open that pathway for learning in the brain. > > Word finding: This would pertain to auditory memory issues. To work your sons' auditory memory, continuously give him one step instructions throughout the day. ie. give mommy a kiss. Get your truck, get your socks, etc. When he is proficient at one step commands, add a step and make this a two step command. I know this does not appear to have a lot of relavance to speech but in truth.... it really, really does. We need our auditory memory to be able to 'hold' and 'retain' information in order to 'find' it in our minds and repeat it out when we wish. In addition, further information that I have read indicates that children are uncapable of learning multi-sylabic words until their processing increases to certain levels. For nonverbal kids, NACD uses the single step and multi-step command technique to get their auditory processing to a high enough level where they begin to develop language. > > Oral Motor issues: I'm sure that I have posted a few oral motor exercises on this board many, many times. Check the archives or write me back and I will jot some out for you to work on. We want to work that tongue! > > Gotta run right now as my daughter is wanting the computer. Let me know if you think any of these might be helpful for you or if I've completely misunderstood what might be going on with your boy. Together perhaps we can put some type of exercises that will help him get his speech pathways more clear. > > Note: Have you tried any of the methylation supplements or B12 shots? DMG or TMG (bettaine) sometimes really helps to get those pathways going. What are you doing for therapy at present? > > Janice > Mother of Mark, 13 > > > > > > > [sPAM]Re: [ ] more words > > > Can anyone tell me how this works? I know it is different with each child, > but is speech gained usually slowly and steadily once the pathway is opened for > speech? Or is it an all of the sudden thing where kids just start talking > sentences. My son is five and probably has five words he uses. He understands > what you say to him, it is just so hard for him to get it out. Will it always > be like this or will he eventually get it. I know kids can start talking at > anytime and there is no guide line or no window of opportunity that closes but > I was just wondering? Jen > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Hi Janice- Thank you so much for taking the time to write back to me! That was so much great information I'm going to print it out and look closely at it-and add parts of it to my mantra! I feel like there is so much more going on with my son. And I hope that we are able to find his answer (And not anyone else's) as to why he is experiencing the challenges he is right now. It seems that we identify one area that when focused on shows tremendous growth and then a new problem raises its head. We are definitely looking closely at the GFCF diet at this point. We intend to at least do a trial, but I've got to learn more and understand if you remove both from the diet at once or one at a time. I have allergies myself so it makes more sense to do it one at a time to discover which, if any, causes trouble for him. I have read your posts about NACD and honestly no little to nothing about it so that will take some investigating as well. I love it when we can share information that both informs and inspires us to do more and try new things and try harder every day to get our kids on a plan that works for them as individuals! Penny http://twoplusoneequalsfive.blogspot.com/ > > > > Jen, > > > > Just trying to get a handle on what is happening with your boy. > When you say he has 5 words that he uses.... do you mean that he uses > the same 5 words over and over again or that he is speaking in 5 word > phrases? > > > > When you say that he is having trouble getting it out are you > saying that he is having problems with #1) Word finding (struggling > to retrieve the word from his mind), #2) trouble physically saying > the word (ie. oral motor issues)? > > > > To increase your boys' vocabulary, try getting some single syllable > pictures and make 'picture flashcards' of various objects. Rapidly > flash the card at your child and say the word as you go. NACD has > people do this vary fast.... 1 to 2 second flash per card. This > keeps the child engaged and interested. Do this exercise for 3-5 > minutes several times a day. Later on I would try to prompt him to > say the word but for the first little while (like a month), I would > just flash the card at him. You must do this with 'high' intensity > and cheer; the brain responds to 3 things; frequency, intensity and > duration. So you do the exercise with high frequency during the day, > make it really upbeat and intense for the child to open that pathway > for learning in the brain. > > > > Word finding: This would pertain to auditory memory issues. To > work your sons' auditory memory, continuously give him one step > instructions throughout the day. ie. give mommy a kiss. Get your > truck, get your socks, etc. When he is proficient at one step > commands, add a step and make this a two step command. I know this > does not appear to have a lot of relavance to speech but in truth.... > it really, really does. We need our auditory memory to be able > to 'hold' and 'retain' information in order to 'find' it in our minds > and repeat it out when we wish. In addition, further information > that I have read indicates that children are uncapable of learning > multi-sylabic words until their processing increases to certain > levels. For nonverbal kids, NACD uses the single step and multi- step > command technique to get their auditory processing to a high enough > level where they begin to develop language. > > > > Oral Motor issues: I'm sure that I have posted a few oral motor > exercises on this board many, many times. Check the archives or > write me back and I will jot some out for you to work on. We want to > work that tongue! > > > > Gotta run right now as my daughter is wanting the computer. Let me > know if you think any of these might be helpful for you or if I've > completely misunderstood what might be going on with your boy. > Together perhaps we can put some type of exercises that will help him > get his speech pathways more clear. > > > > Note: Have you tried any of the methylation supplements or B12 > shots? DMG or TMG (bettaine) sometimes really helps to get those > pathways going. What are you doing for therapy at present? > > > > Janice > > Mother of Mark, 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [sPAM]Re: [ ] more words > > > > > > Can anyone tell me how this works? I know it is different with > each child, > > but is speech gained usually slowly and steadily once the pathway > is opened for > > speech? Or is it an all of the sudden thing where kids just start > talking > > sentences. My son is five and probably has five words he uses. He > understands > > what you say to him, it is just so hard for him to get it out. > Will it always > > be like this or will he eventually get it. I know kids can start > talking at > > anytime and there is no guide line or no window of opportunity > that closes but > > I was just wondering? Jen > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, > and > > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- > dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 > > Dana: Just within the last 6 monthes he started saying up, then his two > favorite foods, apple pie, and pizza, came after that. It is so hard to know what > to do. I pray and work with my son too, so we are in the same boat, it does > get scarier as they get older. I keep thinking what if he never talks, but > there is no time frame on when they learn to talk, I heard of one child that > started talking at 13, I guess we just cannot give up hope. We have to believe > our kids will talk, even though it is so hard sometimes. If you ever want to > talk or e mail me off line feel free, Jen Please make room for me in that boat too, Jen. I sometimes get so discouraged trying to understand what needs and what to do. Today I'm not feeling very optimistic - just one of those days, I guess. I have the " why me's " and " what if's " going on. And " why " too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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