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you are soooo right, kathleen! i've never actually

looked at the situation in this way. i have realized,

though, that the more media circus there is about any

given issue, the more people start waking up, like

it's happening right now in the uk with the mmr

debate. so, i guess we can thank mr (b)liar for

refusing to admit that he didn't have his son

vaccinated...

smiles,

claudia

--- HolisticMomma@... wrote:

> Below you will read of abuse doled out by doctors

> which I excerpted from

> 's article. I actually view such abuse as a

> GOOD thing for two

> reasons:

>

> 1. This means that the vaccine education side is

> gaining ground because the

> orthodoxy is so worried that they have stooped to

> outright abuse tactics.

>

> 2. Such abuse is talked about among parents and for

> those who don't like

> bullies, the abuse will cause them to investigate

> vaccines.

>

> So yes, I am extremely happy to hear of such abuses.

> It's causing a snowball

> effect of education. And education is always a good

> thing...

>

> ‘My doctor implied that I was just being stupid

> when I

> said I wasn’t sure that I wanted my child

> vaccinated,’

> complained one reader. ‘His attitude was that it

> had

> nothing to do with me and that I should just allow

> him

> to do whatever he thought best.’

>

> ‘My wife came home crying,’ complained another

> reader.

> ‘She had had the temerity to question her doctor

> about

> vaccination. He told her that if she refused to have

> our child vaccinated he would call in the social

> workers since in his view our refusal to allow

> vaccination made us unfit to be parents. What really

> upset me is that my wife hadn’t refused to have

> our

> child vaccinated. She just wanted to talk about

> it.’

>

> This paternalistic attitude seems strong among

> doctors

> and other health workers, most of whom seem to

> prefer

> to answer any questions with abuse rather than

> facts.

>

>

>

> Kathleen

> Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A

>

HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >VaccineWebsite.com</A>

>

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm <A

>

HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " >Vaccination

> Information & Choice

> Network - Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization

> Dangers</A>

> www.vaccinationnews.com <A

> HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/ " >New Page

> 1</A>

>

> If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is

> necessary that at least once

> in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all

> things. ~ René Descartes 1596

> -1650

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

=====

" The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the

spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that

spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives

people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the

presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the

range of the debate. "

- Noam Chomsky

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A good DAN! Dr. knows why this is. There is a reason,i've seen this

topic before. This is a huge clue on your child's vaccine injury - I

also heard this topic at the Atlanta NAA conference. If you don't

already have a DAN!, choose only one that is very active, attending and

speaking at conferences, doing research and publishing. E Coast -

Neubrander, Midwest - Usman, SE - Bradstreet/Rossignal, Mid S-

Thaughtfull House -, SW - Stoller, NW - Green. There are many others

but these Dr.s are very active.

You could also ask this question to the Mom's on the chelatingkids2

group, This is a very wise group.

Check out the ARI website - www.autism.com -

Best of luck

>

> has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the

> words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a

> lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among

the

> students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away,

> engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how

> he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room,

> because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is

out

> there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories?

>

> helga

>

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Do you have him an antivirals? Perhaps OLE?

[ ] call me crazy, but...

has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the

words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a

lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among the

students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away,

engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how

he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room,

because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is out

there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories?

helga

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You're not crazy - there has been talk of this on a lot of other

groups. My child also appears to do better when on antibiotics - more

focused, language comes out easier, more words. The theory on this is

that the child *could* have something going on in the gut - either

yeast or bacterial, and the antibiotics are killing it off. When these

type of toxins are killed off, everything works better. <based upon

our most recent urine test there appears to be some type of bacterial

thing going on in the gut. we're waiting on the stool test to confirm

exactly what is going on and how to treat>

Some parents have also noted that their children seemed more focused

and spoke better when they were running a fever.

With regards to your child now getting the stick everytime something

goes around vs. being the 'never get sick kid' ... that can possibly

show that his immune system is trying to balance out. Kids who get

sick every time something goes around can have underactive immune

systems and kids who never get sick can have overactive immune

systems.

There is a lot of talk on this on Dr. McCandless' board (and book)-

Children with Starving Brains. Dr. Jepson (Changing the Course of

Autism...) also talks about this.

Hope this helps,

Stephanee

>

> has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the

> words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a

> lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among

the

> students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away,

> engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how

> he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room,

> because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is

out

> there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories?

>

> helga

>

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Not to muddy the waters here, just genuine inquiry. Initial

mainstream testing by the DAN showed an elevated Lymes result for my

son. Many in my family have that so we are rechecking as we think it

a false positive. BUT Lymes is big in the autism stuff and I have

read the other A's could be Lymes kids. If Lymes is unaddressed fully

in the undetected could these be the kids who respond to short-dose

antibiotics in this way?

>

> You're not crazy - there has been talk of this on a lot of other

> groups. My child also appears to do better when on antibiotics -

more

> focused, language comes out easier, more words. The theory on this

is

> that the child *could* have something going on in the gut - either

> yeast or bacterial, and the antibiotics are killing it off. When

these

> type of toxins are killed off, everything works better. <based

upon

> our most recent urine test there appears to be some type of

bacterial

> thing going on in the gut. we're waiting on the stool test to

confirm

> exactly what is going on and how to treat>

>

> Some parents have also noted that their children seemed more

focused

> and spoke better when they were running a fever.

>

> With regards to your child now getting the stick everytime

something

> goes around vs. being the 'never get sick kid' ... that can

possibly

> show that his immune system is trying to balance out. Kids who get

> sick every time something goes around can have underactive immune

> systems and kids who never get sick can have overactive immune

> systems.

> There is a lot of talk on this on Dr. McCandless' board (and book)-

> Children with Starving Brains. Dr. Jepson (Changing the Course of

> Autism...) also talks about this.

>

> Hope this helps,

> Stephanee

>

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My son has been on antibiotics twice in the last year and has gotten

better BOTH times.

He also has an iffy Lyme test result. I'm trying to follow up w/the

doctor to see if prophylactic antibiotic treatment is something we

should pursue.

Just to muddy the waters a bit more, could response to antibiotics

also indicate PANDAS? For kids who have rages, OCD, etc. I think a

test of strep antibodies is something to look at at any rate.

I dread the thought of longer term antibiotics because my kid also

has elevated markers for intestinal dysbiosis (yeast) and has had

bouts with both intestinal and urinary bacterial infection (that was

one of the rounds of antibiotics he was on).

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I was told to properly follow up on Lymes in a neurocompromised kid

one needs to get a 16 blot Western Bot test available typically at a

lymes specialist to know for sure if it is lymes or not. HTH

What is Pandas?

>

> My son has been on antibiotics twice in the last year and has gotten

> better BOTH times.

>

> He also has an iffy Lyme test result. I'm trying to follow up w/the

> doctor to see if prophylactic antibiotic treatment is something we

> should pursue.

>

> Just to muddy the waters a bit more, could response to antibiotics

> also indicate PANDAS? For kids who have rages, OCD, etc. I think a

> test of strep antibodies is something to look at at any rate.

>

> I dread the thought of longer term antibiotics because my kid also

> has elevated markers for intestinal dysbiosis (yeast) and has had

> bouts with both intestinal and urinary bacterial infection (that was

> one of the rounds of antibiotics he was on).

>

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I'm no expert on Lyme Disease, but I don't think garden-variety

antibiotics work on it. If that were true, it would be killed by one

of the other inevitable courses of antibiotics for other illnesses

that most children will end up taking. (All three of my boys have

taken antibiotics for something else at least once. has super

immunity and has never been sick enough to merit a trip to the

doctor!)

Lyme Disease is very hard to diagnose, yet doctors don't give a

course of antibiotics " just in case " for this particular illness,

despite its seriousness. This leads me to believe that this is

because it requires special and probably powerful antibiotics, or

maybe a longer course of antibiotics.

Lyme scares me, because we have way too many deer around us, and they

are bold little guys. They come right into the yards, and even cross

the street to get to other yards, and they eat almost everything,

including the allegedly deer-resistant plants and trees. My

husband's latest, successful strategy is to plant spiky trees that

are hard to eat. That said, they still cross through our yard during

the lean times, probably dropping their poison deer ticks along the

way.

Back to my freakishly healthy daughter, why would someone have an

over-active immune system, and why would we care? has zero

health issues (except dry skin, which my husband and I both have) and

is a gifted student. (She wants to take a crack at reading " Pride

and Prejudice " , and she's 8-1/2.)

in NJ

>

> Not to muddy the waters here, just genuine inquiry. Initial

> mainstream testing by the DAN showed an elevated Lymes result for my

> son. Many in my family have that so we are rechecking as we think it

> a false positive. BUT Lymes is big in the autism stuff and I have

> read the other A's could be Lymes kids. If Lymes is unaddressed

fully

> in the undetected could these be the kids who respond to short-dose

> antibiotics in this way?

>

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The overactive immune systems of me and mine are a concern for one

reason, the concern is that the body is fighting something

internally, that we do not see, and that ultimately it may fight

itself, as in the case of my daughter's and my alopecia. I think, in

our case, we are fighting fluoride. Remember though, we had alopecia

in her and gains in my son when sick, which was rare,. Your kid may

just be heaklthy as they are all different.

>

> I'm no expert on Lyme Disease, but I don't think garden-variety

> antibiotics work on it. If that were true, it would be killed by

one

> of the other inevitable courses of antibiotics for other illnesses

> that most children will end up taking. (All three of my boys have

> taken antibiotics for something else at least once. has super

> immunity and has never been sick enough to merit a trip to the

> doctor!)

>

> Lyme Disease is very hard to diagnose, yet doctors don't give a

> course of antibiotics " just in case " for this particular illness,

> despite its seriousness. This leads me to believe that this is

> because it requires special and probably powerful antibiotics, or

> maybe a longer course of antibiotics.

>

> Lyme scares me, because we have way too many deer around us, and

they

> are bold little guys. They come right into the yards, and even

cross

> the street to get to other yards, and they eat almost everything,

> including the allegedly deer-resistant plants and trees. My

> husband's latest, successful strategy is to plant spiky trees that

> are hard to eat. That said, they still cross through our yard

during

> the lean times, probably dropping their poison deer ticks along the

> way.

>

> Back to my freakishly healthy daughter, why would someone have an

> over-active immune system, and why would we care? has zero

> health issues (except dry skin, which my husband and I both have)

and

> is a gifted student. (She wants to take a crack at reading " Pride

> and Prejudice " , and she's 8-1/2.)

>

> in NJ

>

>

>

>

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What timing!

Last Monday & Tuesday I had noticed something different with my 8 year

old son. He was unusually helpful around the house and did the things

I asked right away (usually there's a fair amount of cajoling and

reminding involved). The speech was clearer as well. He was just all

around more " together " . Hard to explain I guess. Anyway, the only

thing we had done differently was the result of a misunderstanding

between my wife and I that led to him getting an extra EPA for two

days. So over this last weekend we gave him an extra EPA each day.

He became whiney and overly emotional, and it was definitely NOT the

improvements we had seen on Mon & Tues.

Then I read your post today and realized what the difference was. The

whole family had strep throat the week before, and he had been taking

antibiotics! I wouldn't have thought of that until you posted the

question. Now I've got a new line of things to research.

Thank you for your post. Sometimes just asking helps others.

Thad

(You may still be crazy - I can't help you there. :-)

>

> has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the

> words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a

> lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among

the

> students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away,

> engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how

> he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room,

> because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is

out

> there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories?

>

> helga

>

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