Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 you are soooo right, kathleen! i've never actually looked at the situation in this way. i have realized, though, that the more media circus there is about any given issue, the more people start waking up, like it's happening right now in the uk with the mmr debate. so, i guess we can thank mr (b)liar for refusing to admit that he didn't have his son vaccinated... smiles, claudia --- HolisticMomma@... wrote: > Below you will read of abuse doled out by doctors > which I excerpted from > 's article. I actually view such abuse as a > GOOD thing for two > reasons: > > 1. This means that the vaccine education side is > gaining ground because the > orthodoxy is so worried that they have stooped to > outright abuse tactics. > > 2. Such abuse is talked about among parents and for > those who don't like > bullies, the abuse will cause them to investigate > vaccines. > > So yes, I am extremely happy to hear of such abuses. > It's causing a snowball > effect of education. And education is always a good > thing... > > ‘My doctor implied that I was just being stupid > when I > said I wasn’t sure that I wanted my child > vaccinated,’ > complained one reader. ‘His attitude was that it > had > nothing to do with me and that I should just allow > him > to do whatever he thought best.’ > > ‘My wife came home crying,’ complained another > reader. > ‘She had had the temerity to question her doctor > about > vaccination. He told her that if she refused to have > our child vaccinated he would call in the social > workers since in his view our refusal to allow > vaccination made us unfit to be parents. What really > upset me is that my wife hadn’t refused to have > our > child vaccinated. She just wanted to talk about > it.’ > > This paternalistic attitude seems strong among > doctors > and other health workers, most of whom seem to > prefer > to answer any questions with abuse rather than > facts. > > > > Kathleen > Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A > HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >VaccineWebsite.com</A> > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm <A > HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " >Vaccination > Information & Choice > Network - Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization > Dangers</A> > www.vaccinationnews.com <A > HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/ " >New Page > 1</A> > > If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is > necessary that at least once > in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all > things. ~ René Descartes 1596 > -1650 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== " The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. " - Noam Chomsky __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 A good DAN! Dr. knows why this is. There is a reason,i've seen this topic before. This is a huge clue on your child's vaccine injury - I also heard this topic at the Atlanta NAA conference. If you don't already have a DAN!, choose only one that is very active, attending and speaking at conferences, doing research and publishing. E Coast - Neubrander, Midwest - Usman, SE - Bradstreet/Rossignal, Mid S- Thaughtfull House -, SW - Stoller, NW - Green. There are many others but these Dr.s are very active. You could also ask this question to the Mom's on the chelatingkids2 group, This is a very wise group. Check out the ARI website - www.autism.com - Best of luck > > has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the > words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a > lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among the > students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away, > engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how > he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room, > because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is out > there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories? > > helga > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Do you have him an antivirals? Perhaps OLE? [ ] call me crazy, but... has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among the students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away, engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room, because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is out there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories? helga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 You're not crazy - there has been talk of this on a lot of other groups. My child also appears to do better when on antibiotics - more focused, language comes out easier, more words. The theory on this is that the child *could* have something going on in the gut - either yeast or bacterial, and the antibiotics are killing it off. When these type of toxins are killed off, everything works better. <based upon our most recent urine test there appears to be some type of bacterial thing going on in the gut. we're waiting on the stool test to confirm exactly what is going on and how to treat> Some parents have also noted that their children seemed more focused and spoke better when they were running a fever. With regards to your child now getting the stick everytime something goes around vs. being the 'never get sick kid' ... that can possibly show that his immune system is trying to balance out. Kids who get sick every time something goes around can have underactive immune systems and kids who never get sick can have overactive immune systems. There is a lot of talk on this on Dr. McCandless' board (and book)- Children with Starving Brains. Dr. Jepson (Changing the Course of Autism...) also talks about this. Hope this helps, Stephanee > > has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the > words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a > lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among the > students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away, > engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how > he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room, > because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is out > there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories? > > helga > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Not to muddy the waters here, just genuine inquiry. Initial mainstream testing by the DAN showed an elevated Lymes result for my son. Many in my family have that so we are rechecking as we think it a false positive. BUT Lymes is big in the autism stuff and I have read the other A's could be Lymes kids. If Lymes is unaddressed fully in the undetected could these be the kids who respond to short-dose antibiotics in this way? > > You're not crazy - there has been talk of this on a lot of other > groups. My child also appears to do better when on antibiotics - more > focused, language comes out easier, more words. The theory on this is > that the child *could* have something going on in the gut - either > yeast or bacterial, and the antibiotics are killing it off. When these > type of toxins are killed off, everything works better. <based upon > our most recent urine test there appears to be some type of bacterial > thing going on in the gut. we're waiting on the stool test to confirm > exactly what is going on and how to treat> > > Some parents have also noted that their children seemed more focused > and spoke better when they were running a fever. > > With regards to your child now getting the stick everytime something > goes around vs. being the 'never get sick kid' ... that can possibly > show that his immune system is trying to balance out. Kids who get > sick every time something goes around can have underactive immune > systems and kids who never get sick can have overactive immune > systems. > There is a lot of talk on this on Dr. McCandless' board (and book)- > Children with Starving Brains. Dr. Jepson (Changing the Course of > Autism...) also talks about this. > > Hope this helps, > Stephanee > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 My son has been on antibiotics twice in the last year and has gotten better BOTH times. He also has an iffy Lyme test result. I'm trying to follow up w/the doctor to see if prophylactic antibiotic treatment is something we should pursue. Just to muddy the waters a bit more, could response to antibiotics also indicate PANDAS? For kids who have rages, OCD, etc. I think a test of strep antibodies is something to look at at any rate. I dread the thought of longer term antibiotics because my kid also has elevated markers for intestinal dysbiosis (yeast) and has had bouts with both intestinal and urinary bacterial infection (that was one of the rounds of antibiotics he was on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I was told to properly follow up on Lymes in a neurocompromised kid one needs to get a 16 blot Western Bot test available typically at a lymes specialist to know for sure if it is lymes or not. HTH What is Pandas? > > My son has been on antibiotics twice in the last year and has gotten > better BOTH times. > > He also has an iffy Lyme test result. I'm trying to follow up w/the > doctor to see if prophylactic antibiotic treatment is something we > should pursue. > > Just to muddy the waters a bit more, could response to antibiotics > also indicate PANDAS? For kids who have rages, OCD, etc. I think a > test of strep antibodies is something to look at at any rate. > > I dread the thought of longer term antibiotics because my kid also > has elevated markers for intestinal dysbiosis (yeast) and has had > bouts with both intestinal and urinary bacterial infection (that was > one of the rounds of antibiotics he was on). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I'm no expert on Lyme Disease, but I don't think garden-variety antibiotics work on it. If that were true, it would be killed by one of the other inevitable courses of antibiotics for other illnesses that most children will end up taking. (All three of my boys have taken antibiotics for something else at least once. has super immunity and has never been sick enough to merit a trip to the doctor!) Lyme Disease is very hard to diagnose, yet doctors don't give a course of antibiotics " just in case " for this particular illness, despite its seriousness. This leads me to believe that this is because it requires special and probably powerful antibiotics, or maybe a longer course of antibiotics. Lyme scares me, because we have way too many deer around us, and they are bold little guys. They come right into the yards, and even cross the street to get to other yards, and they eat almost everything, including the allegedly deer-resistant plants and trees. My husband's latest, successful strategy is to plant spiky trees that are hard to eat. That said, they still cross through our yard during the lean times, probably dropping their poison deer ticks along the way. Back to my freakishly healthy daughter, why would someone have an over-active immune system, and why would we care? has zero health issues (except dry skin, which my husband and I both have) and is a gifted student. (She wants to take a crack at reading " Pride and Prejudice " , and she's 8-1/2.) in NJ > > Not to muddy the waters here, just genuine inquiry. Initial > mainstream testing by the DAN showed an elevated Lymes result for my > son. Many in my family have that so we are rechecking as we think it > a false positive. BUT Lymes is big in the autism stuff and I have > read the other A's could be Lymes kids. If Lymes is unaddressed fully > in the undetected could these be the kids who respond to short-dose > antibiotics in this way? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 The overactive immune systems of me and mine are a concern for one reason, the concern is that the body is fighting something internally, that we do not see, and that ultimately it may fight itself, as in the case of my daughter's and my alopecia. I think, in our case, we are fighting fluoride. Remember though, we had alopecia in her and gains in my son when sick, which was rare,. Your kid may just be heaklthy as they are all different. > > I'm no expert on Lyme Disease, but I don't think garden-variety > antibiotics work on it. If that were true, it would be killed by one > of the other inevitable courses of antibiotics for other illnesses > that most children will end up taking. (All three of my boys have > taken antibiotics for something else at least once. has super > immunity and has never been sick enough to merit a trip to the > doctor!) > > Lyme Disease is very hard to diagnose, yet doctors don't give a > course of antibiotics " just in case " for this particular illness, > despite its seriousness. This leads me to believe that this is > because it requires special and probably powerful antibiotics, or > maybe a longer course of antibiotics. > > Lyme scares me, because we have way too many deer around us, and they > are bold little guys. They come right into the yards, and even cross > the street to get to other yards, and they eat almost everything, > including the allegedly deer-resistant plants and trees. My > husband's latest, successful strategy is to plant spiky trees that > are hard to eat. That said, they still cross through our yard during > the lean times, probably dropping their poison deer ticks along the > way. > > Back to my freakishly healthy daughter, why would someone have an > over-active immune system, and why would we care? has zero > health issues (except dry skin, which my husband and I both have) and > is a gifted student. (She wants to take a crack at reading " Pride > and Prejudice " , and she's 8-1/2.) > > in NJ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 What timing! Last Monday & Tuesday I had noticed something different with my 8 year old son. He was unusually helpful around the house and did the things I asked right away (usually there's a fair amount of cajoling and reminding involved). The speech was clearer as well. He was just all around more " together " . Hard to explain I guess. Anyway, the only thing we had done differently was the result of a misunderstanding between my wife and I that led to him getting an extra EPA for two days. So over this last weekend we gave him an extra EPA each day. He became whiney and overly emotional, and it was definitely NOT the improvements we had seen on Mon & Tues. Then I read your post today and realized what the difference was. The whole family had strep throat the week before, and he had been taking antibiotics! I wouldn't have thought of that until you posted the question. Now I've got a new line of things to research. Thank you for your post. Sometimes just asking helps others. Thad (You may still be crazy - I can't help you there. :-) > > has anyone noticed that when their child is on antibiotics that the > words start coming more easily? My child has been on antibiotics a > lot this winter with a classroom that has kept strep moving among the > students, and I swear when he is on them he just chatters away, > engaging us with crisp, clear speech. (The other weird thing is how > he keeps getting the strep as it works its way through the room, > because it is unusual for him to *always* be catching whatever is out > there.) Anybody seen anything familiar? any theories? > > helga > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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